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[Linkenski]

 How do you interpret the line that the Catalyst says, as stated in the title? What does that tell you about who the Catalyst is? Additionally the line "The Crucible changed me, created new... possibilities [. . .] " Where was he before the Crucible docked? What does it mean when you consider that the Reapers built the Citadel? Etc.

I ask partly because I want to make more clarity of this? Does any one of you have a good explanation or maybe a headcanon idea?

[In Exile]

I think Bioware were going for some idea that the Catalyst is more than just the Citadel as the space station (i.e., the physical thing), but that's a strange way of putting it. Because none of us say "our bodies are part of us". I think it was just a poorly phrased way of saying that the Catalyst is something greater than just the Citadel that no one really thought through.

[Iakus]

I interpret it the same way EDI says she is part of the Normandy. It is her physical body.

The Cruicible added a new power source, enabling it to perform an additional function, if SHepard would kindly commit suicide fro it, prettyplease kthanksbye

[Wayning_Star]

I thought that the phrase " no more a machine than you are an animal " kind of associates with that. Being is that the citadel is only part, that could mean that the reaper(ships) are as parts of it's "whole" or collective intelligence/intellect. It's hard to state exact figures as to what that would mean, considering we've no real clues as to what the catalyst really thinks and/or why... the bigger the mind the bigger the complex(ity).

[ImaginaryMatter]

I try not to read too far into anything the Catalyst states. The ending dialogue is inexact and equivocal; StarKid says stuff like 'variables' and 'possibilities' but never stops to define or clarify what those words actually mean. I don't think the writers knew the answers either, so they threw out a bunch of highfalutin ambiguity to add validation to the notion that the Catalyst is some kind of omniscient being and that the player just has to trust it for the sake of the plot.

[His Name was HYR!!]

I think it was a dormant AI on the Citadel.


I also think that "it" has itself installed into the Reapers in some capacity as well.

[DeinonSlayer]

Trying to sound spooky.

Try constructing a new character in the last five minutes of a story without getting all ambiguous with them.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 novembre 2013 - 06:42 .

[s_legion00]

 Maybe the crucible downloaded some weird software that showed him new possibilities

[Jorji Costava]

It's pretty much a cryptic way for the Catalyst to announce that he is a Big Deal. He might as well have started talking about how he has many leather bound books and how his apartment smells of rich mahogany as far as I'm concerned.

[SwobyJ]

Because the Catalyst is what Sovereign, Nazara, the Watcher, the Guardian, became through interfacing with Shepard's mind. Before being the Catalyst (aka the Citadel, like EDI 'is' the Normandy), it was Sovereign. Before that, it was Nazara. Before that, it was the Intelligence. Basically consider it the apex AI until more recent events. It embodies the will and knowledge of the collective Reaper consciousness, and it bound to their decision (as they are bound to their indoctrination into the Cycle).

I'll take my leave now.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:33 .

[Vortex13]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Trying to sound spooky.

Try constructing a new character in the last five minutes of a story without getting all ambiguous with them.

I am reminded of that one Spoof Will Farrel did for the MTV Awards. He was the Architect from the Matrix: Reloaded and he kept saying words that as his character put it: "I have no idea what I'm saying, I just thought it might make me sound cool."

That's pretty much the feeling I get when I listen to the Catalyst.

[Pee Jae]

"I am the Catalyst"
"I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst?"
"No. The Citadel is part of me."

Um, if the Citadel is part of you and you are the Catalyst then that means that the Citadel is also the Catalyst. Yes? *smack*

[Jorji Costava]

StreetMagic wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Trying to sound spooky.

Try constructing a new character in the last five minutes of a story without getting all ambiguous with them.

I am reminded of that one Spoof Will Farrel did for the MTV Awards. He was the Architect from the Matrix: Reloaded and he kept saying words that as his character put it: "I have no idea what I'm saying, I just thought it might make me sound cool."

That's pretty much the feeling I get when I listen to the Catalyst.

lol.. never saw that one. Clip? Will Farrel sounds perfect for that.

Here you go.

[Vortex13]

StreetMagic wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Trying to sound spooky.

Try constructing a new character in the last five minutes of a story without getting all ambiguous with them.

I am reminded of that one Spoof Will Farrel did for the MTV Awards. He was the Architect from the Matrix: Reloaded and he kept saying words that as his character put it: "I have no idea what I'm saying, I just thought it might make me sound cool."

That's pretty much the feeling I get when I listen to the Catalyst.

lol.. never saw that one. Clip? Will Farrel sounds perfect for that.

Ah let me see if I can find it ..... ah here we are go to about 1:30 to see what I am talking about.

Edit: Ninja'd 

Modifié par Vortex13, 25 novembre 2013 - 08:15 .

[txgoldrush]

Linkenski wrote...

 How do you interpret the line that the Catalyst says, as stated in the title? What does that tell you about who the Catalyst is? Additionally the line "The Crucible changed me, created new... possibilities [. . .] " Where was he before the Crucible docked? What does it mean when you consider that the Reapers built the Citadel? Etc.

I ask partly because I want to make more clarity of this? Does any one of you have a good explanation or maybe a headcanon idea?

Easy, the citadel is his creation....remember he built the mass relays to find a superior solution to his cycle and the citadel is a mass relay hub. Its a straight connect the dots from Leviathan.

"The Crucible changed me, created new... possibilities [. . .] "

This is a key line that flips the deus ex machina from The Catalyst towards Shepard to Shepard towards the Catalyst, as now Shepard is the Catalyst's deus ex machina...so in a clever use of the trope, Bioware avoids the deus ex machina by having the protagonist be a deus ex machina for the literal deus ex machina character. Of course assuming synthesis is chosen.

The Crucible was thought of as a enemy device until it connects to the Citadel, in which the Catalyst realizes it allows other alternatives to the cycle, even a superior one he was always looking for, to why he built the relays.

[Obadiah]

I looked at it the same way organisms are made up of cells and organs. The Citadel is another organ of the Catalyst.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I think the Reapers, under the direction of the Catalyst, built the Citadel. My reading of the info from Leviathan is that the cycle began with most of the Leviathans being harvested to create Harbinger. The Catalyst and the Reapers built the Citadel so that future organics would develop along lines that they could easily monitor and eventually wipe out before they could provoke synthetics into an all-out extermination campaign. (Not saying *I* believe this, just that it's the reasoning of the Catalyst and the Reapers.)

So my interpretations would be:

(a) "The Citadel is a part of me" means that the Catalyst probably adapted some of its programming towards the design of the Citadel and the creation of elements like the Keepers to make it useable and adaptable for whatever organic species happened to discover it. Its hardware *might* be housed somewhere on the Citadel, but either way, it may be redesigning the Citadel itself as well as fine-tuning the strategies and mechanics of the harvest after each cycle is over.

( The Crucible "changes" the Catalyst because it contains much of the collective knowledge of all the cycles, since it's been developed and modified repeatedly over many iterations, and when it docks, the Catalyst accesses all this knowledge and reassesses its judgment that the cycles are necessary to prevent eventual genocide of all organics.

"Shouldn't the Catalyst have figured this out earlier without interfacing directly?" Well, yes - but remember what the Catalyst is and the self-serving opportunism of its creators. It has plenty of knowledge and power but very little in the way of wisdom or ethics, and any directives or parameters it was given must have been designed inadequately or it wouldn't have ended up harvesting the Leviathans. Now that it's competely re-interpreted its mandate, it probably has even less in the way of guidelines for how to go about this.

[Argentoid]

That he resides within the Citadel.

Or that the Citadel are "his arms and legs". 

Modifié par Argentoid, 25 novembre 2013 - 09:53 .

[Rasofe]

But does it?
I mean, is it at all possible to move to Omega after picking Control?
Ah why am I even asking...

[Clayless]

Well he's software, and the Citadel is hardware.

So the Citadel is a part of him.

Not that complicated.

[Linkenski]

That's what I figured, but it does sound a little weird saying that my ASUS Laptop is part of my windows OS, when it should be the other way around.

[Rusty Sandusky]

My guess is that the Citadel is a large sex toy used by the Catalyst.