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[Dova]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...
edit: why'd they close it again? cuz miranda fans started attacking each other, right?

Yeah the miranda fans were going nuts iirc. You can still read the threads, 

I was reading it the other day and it was a good idea to close it down. Still that punishes every one else who wasn't involved in it to close it down completely. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 To those asking why there should be character/romance forums:

It's so that non-character/romance topics are not hijacked with those discussions in the future.

So the fans that frequent those threads are creepy/weird. So what? Wouldn't you rather they post their ish elsewhere?

[TK514]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 To those asking why there should be character/romance forums:

It's so that non-character/romance topics are not hijacked with those discussions in the future.

So the fans that frequent those threads are creepy/weird. So what? Wouldn't you rather they post their ish elsewhere?

All of which are handled in groups.  No need for a separate forum.

in fact, once the game is released, BW should just make a group for each companion and put an announcement in the spoiler forum advertising them.  All romance threads that pop up outside the groups can be locked and pointed at the appropriate group as soon as they're noticed by a mod.

[Br3admax]

 Relevant. 

[nightscrawl]

HiroVoid wrote...

Then, the fact that most staff don't really come around here anymore (may change once the game is closer to release).  Of course, you also have more than a couple of staff commenting on how chaotic or vile these forums are.

I'm sure more will come around closer to release. Indeed, it's probably safer to stay away right now, since any minor thing about the game will be blown out of proportion. Other than a firm denial that something won't be in the game, I haven't seen very many posts along those lines. Most of the recent ones are more technical (like this one about the Murder Knife), or about general topics rather than specific ones.

[Angrywolves]

Priestly made some mistakes and closing that romance forum was one of them. Still we would be much better off with him than we are without him imo.

[Cainhurst Crow]

We should make it a quarantine zone, where we banish posters who spam LI request threads to eternally wander the shadows of the internet.

[wolfhowwl]

flemm wrote...

It's the culture of "support" for specific characters/romances that really created the problem with the ME character sub-forum, I think, I guess going back quite a ways. Fans and Bioware itself probably share responsibility for this.

Basically the perception was, I guess rightly to a degree, that sheer amount of support for certain characters/romances determined quantity/quality of content in the game(s). And, after ME3, that support could provide more content/improved content in DLC.

Ultimately, that's just not a good dynamic. For discussion on the forums, certainly, and perhaps also for the community as a whole.

Creative decisions should be perceived as separate from "fan support," which should be directed, probably, to the games/characters/series/community considered as a whole.

Otherwise you get this rivalry/competition/lobbying sort of dynamic.

Agreed.

The Mass Effect team contributed to the toxicity. There would have always been a feeling that forum spamming resulted in content changes but they outright stated that forum screamers determined romances and squad spots. Not helpful.

I doubt things would have gotten so nasty if people hadn't felt that their favorite character's role in the game was at stake. The perception that it was a competition created a very unpleasant dynamic of winners and losers and I remember some very rude spiking the football behavior going on with certain fanbases.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 27 novembre 2013 - 01:22 .

[Killdren88]

Br3ad wrote...

 Relevant. 

Not BSN's proudest moment.... let's just stick with groups so people who support different characters don't clash.

[TeamLexana]

I don't see why there wouldn't be one, otherwise all those posts would just ooze out into every other thread available. I am weird though I guess, if I go into a character forum and see an appreciation thread for a character I don't like, I tend to have the self control and the respect to not enter said thread and crap all over their parade. Not saying that's what happened with the ME3 character forums, I wasn't even aware that they were locked - that's how I often I visit character forums, lol.

[Spatchmo]

Hey what do you guys think Merrill and Fenris' sweat tastes like?

[Dova]

Killdren88 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

 Relevant. 

Not BSN's proudest moment.... let's just stick with groups so people who support different characters don't clash.

Yeah defiantly not BSN's proudest moment with being called "Toxic Environment."

[HiroVoid]

Dovaaa wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

 Relevant. 

Not BSN's proudest moment.... let's just stick with groups so people who support different characters don't clash.

Yeah defiantly not BSN's proudest moment with being called "Toxic Environment."

Pfft.  It's BSN's best moment!  Everyone should make a tribute to it by putting gas masks on all their avatars!

[Br3admax]

Its only gotten more true. To me, it seems like many come here to find a fight, wanting an enemy even when there isn't one, especially then, and I most certainly come here expecting one almost everyday in some capacity.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Now that the character & romance discussion forums are closed, we have nowhere else to gush about our favorite characters, and to be honest, that annoys me a great deal.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Maker, please let them do it. It's a great way to confine those discussions into one neat, easily ignorable sub-forum.

I'd also like a "Dragon Age Lore" forum like Bethesda's boards has for TES, but I can't see them doing that.

[Morty Smith]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

Maker, please let them do it. It's a great way to confine those discussions into one neat, easily ignorable sub-forum.

That is in fact the idea behind the BSN.

[Maria Caliban]

I think there will be another character forum and the romance threads will be merged into the character discussion threads, meaning that romance talk will dominate the conversation.

[Lebanese Dude]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think there will be another character forum and the romance threads will be merged into the character discussion threads, meaning that romance talk will dominate the conversation.

And that would be fine.

[jaza]

Hopefully not. Though on the other hand we might get some good laughs out of it.

I guess we'll see.

Modifié par jaza, 27 novembre 2013 - 12:58 .

[Ieldra]

wolfhowwl wrote...

flemm wrote...

It's the culture of "support" for specific characters/romances that really created the problem with the ME character sub-forum, I think, I guess going back quite a ways. Fans and Bioware itself probably share responsibility for this.

Basically the perception was, I guess rightly to a degree, that sheer amount of support for certain characters/romances determined quantity/quality of content in the game(s). And, after ME3, that support could provide more content/improved content in DLC.

Ultimately, that's just not a good dynamic. For discussion on the forums, certainly, and perhaps also for the community as a whole.

Creative decisions should be perceived as separate from "fan support," which should be directed, probably, to the games/characters/series/community considered as a whole.

Otherwise you get this rivalry/competition/lobbying sort of dynamic.

Agreed.

The Mass Effect team contributed to the toxicity. There would have always been a feeling that forum spamming resulted in content changes but they outright stated that forum screamers determined romances and squad spots. Not helpful.

I doubt things would have gotten so nasty if people hadn't felt that their favorite character's role in the game was at stake. The perception that it was a competition created a very unpleasant dynamic of winners and losers and I remember some very rude spiking the football behavior going on with certain fanbases.

Indeed. I agree that this was the main problem, and that Bioware actually helped create this dynamic by making popularity-based decisions about characters and their content didn't help. 

[Fast Jimmy]

^

Is it that much different than them adding multiple races to DA:O after fan compalints? Something I'm glad they did, don't get me wrong, but responding to fan requests isn't inherently bad... although doing so for romance options is a little silly, imo.

[franciscoamell]

The , in the title is bothering me a lot...

[flemm]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Is it that much different than them adding multiple races to DA:O after fan compalints?

I think there is a bit of a difference, yeah, at least in terms of its impact on how fans interact with one another. Responding to a general desire for more of something, for example, is very different from, "There are six squad spots, two are up for grabs, who is spamming the forums more?"

I'm exaggerating, perhaps, a bit, but basically that is the impression people had.

For characters, the Citadel DLC, for example, does a good job of responding to the general desire on the part of fans to spend more time with characters. But the whole cast is included, at least to the extent possible, and the emphasis is on the camaraderie of the whole thing.

And there was plenty of that in the character forum as well, it's not like it was constantly unpleasant.

But people are attached to the characters and, especially in ME3, with the story ending, that was a big focus for people. So, the lobbying/support dynamic which had existed, I guess, for quite a while, ended up being really divisive, at times, in that context.

That doesn't take responsibility away from us, as fans, but it didn't help.

Modifié par flemm, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:15 .