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[David Gaider]

flemm wrote...
That doesn't take responsibility away from us, as fans, but it didn't help.

If the notion is that popularity among the fans was the only reason the ME team chose to do those things, it's a little insulting. No amount of popularity (or unpopularity) among the fans--and, let's be clear, we're talking solely among those fans who happen to come to these forums and not "all" fans--would persuade me to do something I didn't also think was a good idea.

Perhaps mentioning to those fans that their advocacy helped boost those characters to the forefront didn't help, but seeing as us not calling out specific instances of fans being taken into account results in cries of "you're not listening to us!" we end up in a bit of a catch-22 (and the fans self-immolate regardless).

To be perfectly frank, people will do what they're gonna and it seems that a certain amount of immaturity should simply be a given no matter which forum it's shuffled of into.

Modifié par David Gaider, 27 novembre 2013 - 07:01 .

[flemm]

David Gaider wrote...
If the notion is that popularity among the fans was the only reason the ME team chose to do those things, it's a little insulting.

Well, no, I'm not asserting that most decisions (or even any decisions at all) were solely based on popularity. If anything, I think people tended to blow a few statements made in that direction out of proportion. As far as I know, perhaps none at all were made for that reason (or for that reason alone).

But it was the perception, and I think that perception did have an impact.

David Gaider wrote...
Perhaps mentioning to those fans that their advocacy helped boost those characters to the forefront didn't help, but seeing as us not calling out specific instances of fans being taken into account results in cries of "you're not listening to us!" we end up in a bit of a catch-22 (and the fans self-immolate regardless).

No doubt. But I do think something like Citadel, for example, responds to fan support in a way that is not divisive. Basically the emphasis is more on everybody being involved on more or less equal terms.

Modifié par flemm, 28 novembre 2013 - 03:45 .

[Maria Caliban]

Lebdood wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think there will be another character forum and the romance threads will be merged into the character discussion threads, meaning that romance talk will dominate the conversation.

And that would be fine.

I'm of the opinion that romance discussion dominating a character thread is both inevitable and not fine.

[Lebanese Dude]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think there will be another character forum and the romance threads will be merged into the character discussion threads, meaning that romance talk will dominate the conversation.

And that would be fine.

I'm of the opinion that romance discussion dominating a character thread is both inevitable and not fine.

Fine doesn't mean amazing. It's an acceptable compromise. Perhaps having romance threads spaced out with non-romance threads could have a chain effect of diluting the toxicity of the environment (there will always be toxicity).

Romance discussion is inevitable. Humans like sex. It doesn't matter if it's virtual or not. It will always find a way to creep in.

Modifié par Lebdood, 27 novembre 2013 - 10:59 .

[Evelane]

you know what is not needed?This thread....(sorry dosent mean to be mean, but it is :/ )

If you dont like the character and romance sub-forum then dont post in it,dont read them and enjoy whatever other forum you like, some people, just like to talk about their favorite character before and after the game launch, its not all negative, i really enjoyed reading some of them before dragon age 2, when i first joined bsn. Getting all the info i wanted on some character in one thread ''easy and simple to find'' ... anyway at this point its in moderator hand, they will choose what they gonna do with the Dragon age inquisition sub forum!
Ps (i know my english is bad, my primary language is french, so dont be rude )

Modifié par Evelane, 28 novembre 2013 - 01:09 .

[TK514]

Evelane, I support your signature. Both parts.

[Star fury]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I still don't see why an entire sub-forum would be needed for a minor mechanic

How about you don't expect other people to play and behave how YOU want? Ignore romances in the game and don't visit a romance forum, problem solved. Pretend that they don't exist. While people who like romances and discussion in a romance forum will have fun.  

Modifié par Star fury, 28 novembre 2013 - 05:13 .

[Kalas Magnus]

TK514 wrote...

Evelane, I support your signature. Both parts.

+1

[Star fury]

Evelane wrote it better than me.

[Plaintiff]

If there is, I bet trolls will descend on it in droves to attack otherwise peaceful discussions, and then turn around and blame "romancers" for forum toxicity.

[wolfhowwl]

We will see. The romancers attacked each other and trashed their ME3 forum quite thoroughly all on their own.

[Star fury]

Plaintiff wrote...

If there is, I bet trolls will descend on it in droves to attack otherwise peaceful discussions, and then turn around and blame "romancers" for forum toxicity.

That will happen unfortunately.

[Fredward]

Lebdood wrote...
Fine doesn't mean amazing. It's an acceptable compromise. Perhaps having romance threads spaced out with non-romance threads could have a chain effect of diluting the toxicity of the environment (there will always be toxicity).

Romance discussion is inevitable. Humans like sex. It doesn't matter if it's virtual or not. It will always find a way to creep in.

Or yah know, they could just make a character discussion subforum separate from the romance discussion subforum. They aren't the same thing. The romance subforum can be filled with... whatever they're usually filled with and the character discussion forum can be about discussing the character, of which romance will no doubt be a part but it would be considered off topic to just gush everywhere about how warm and fuzzy the romance with X makes you feel.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 28 novembre 2013 - 07:06 .

[L. Han]

I don't really see the benefit in the romance sub-forums. Though its kind of nice to see what kinds of people are into what characters. Even if it's just a small fraction.

Anyway, what is with the (insert character name or race) + sweat deal?

[Hey]

i can't imagine it not being entertaining - plus some folks might like it!? lets get the ball rolling.

[Fredward]

Morocco Mole wrote...
Or we can just not make a romance subforum because they type of people it attracts should really not be on a public forum.

This is why groups exist

That hardly seems fair. Who would it harm if the two were separated?

EDIT:

Lets add some pragmatics to the mix! So. With Bioware you get an RPG with a nice story and believable nuanced companions that you can romance. It's hard to think of a Bioware game without believable characters that you can ****. So since romance is such an integral part of their games and it isn't going to go away no matter how hard some people pray for it it looks like there are tres (3) potential options on how to handle it on the forum:

1. Don't separate the character and romance subforum and just lock both indefinitely. In other words what they've done with ME3. Seems like a temporary solution, right? Yeah you'd think that.

2. Keep the character forum but drop the romance tag, in other words make it a strictly character related environment. Won't work because you're totally taking away even the option of discussing the romances which means they will crop up somewhere, either in the general discussion forum, or more likely in the character forum anyway since the posters would argue (rightly) that the romance is an important part of the character development.

3. Split the subforums. The character would be the important bit in the character forum, romance talk is allowed but only when it actually pertains to the character, so no mindless cooing sounds or fanart and the like. That would go in the romance forum. The character subforum would also allow you to critically discuss a character without fear of someone nailing a dead cat to your front door.

I realize it isn't perfect and there would be a lot of off topic posting and the forums will have fuzzy boundaries and off topic posts and threads will be oh so common, but that happens anyway. It's a better solution, in my mind, than totally cutting off an avenue of discussion that is an important part of the game for a lot of people.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 28 novembre 2013 - 08:22 .

[Plaintiff]

Kink-shaming, lovely.

I don't care what kind of content has been in previous romance forums. As long as the posters weren't engaging in or discussing anything illegal, there's no call to say they don't deserve to be in public. Romance, sex and fetishes are not shameful subjects. With all the prejudice and prudery that floats around this forum, I'm beginning to suspect almost everyone except me is a card-carrying member of the Tea Party.

If Bioware chooses to make a space for romance discussion, it will establish rules to govern the topics that are or are not allowed. As long as posters in the forum adhere to those rules, they're not doing anything wrong. If anybody ought to be shunned from society, it's the people who mock individuals for discussing their personal tastes, especially if those individuals appear to have genuine mental issues.

Either learn to tolerate the content that's produced there, or ignore it if you find it discomforting.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 28 novembre 2013 - 08:21 .

[wolfhowwl]

Oh we're kink shaming now? Some might see it as taking out the trash.

Is this the kind of discussion that we want in this community?


What about treatises on Asari vaginal sex and Quarian bodily fluids? Do crudely drawn pictures of Fenris being reared by Hawke elevate our community discourse?

We are here to have "positive and friendly discussion" about Bioware games not to indulge the base desires of the lunatic fringe. People should be able to come here and expect to be able to talk about a character without worrying about wading through the degenerate sexual fantasies of deviants lusting after their "waifus."

There are plenty of other sites such as tumblr, 4chan, experienceproject, and deviantart that are more conducive to those who wish to voice their unseemly desires regarding fictional characters.

If this makes me a cryptofascist Tea Partier, so be it.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 28 novembre 2013 - 09:24 .

[L. Han]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Long, long ago in a galxy far, far away some soul did a quasi-analysis of Tali's sweat...and what it would taste like.

What? Seriously? 

Either you guys have too much free time or overly obsessed.



EDIT:

My jumping pancakes. Some of the things you guys brought up are... disturbing to say the least. I don't want to judge people, we're all different, to each his/her own. However, I am not aware that "romance and character discussion" meant "discussing" about the science in the naughty bits.

Modifié par Rickets, 28 novembre 2013 - 09:18 .

[Hey]

wolfhowwl wrote...
*more*
We are here to have "positive and friendly discussion" about Bioware games 
*more*

 

lol.  come on..,