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[InvincibleHero]

Foopy I am sure terms of service can be shown to veto many of those topics and specific posts. It is a public forum and some discussions just are not proper or even relevant to the game itself. Being it is not a hardcore sex game people should not be discussing we should be able to do this and this with Tali. This being some sexual act. Keep it to things shown in the game.

Sorry everywhere you post someone else gets to determine what is "normal and allowable" on their site.

[InvincibleHero]

MM no personal attacks on users should be avoided report and ignore. Just my opinion and safer to avoid a banhammer yourself.

[Fredward]

Fandango9641 wrote...
Which is to say what exactly? That certain people should be allowed to discuss their kinks and fetishes on the BSN with impunity? Serious question.

If it doesn't do anyone any harm and it pertains to the character then why not?

Morocco Mole wrote...
And let's be honest here. If you discuss your weird kinks in public you deserve to be mocked for them.

Why of course! If it's different it's bad by definition, right?

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 28 novembre 2013 - 10:53 .

[Billy-the-Squid]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...
Which is to say what exactly? That certain people should be allowed to discuss their kinks and fetishes on the BSN with impunity? Serious question.

If it doesn't do anyone any harm and it pertains to the character then why not?

You can, but expect to be mocked and derided for it. 

[Hey]

right, mocked.. not edicts from possible sociopaths on the bsn to regulate - wanting to vilify folks who want to express their feeling, rather than just treating "unacceptable" behavior, romance or not, the same via mother-****ing banning.

[Fredward]

Tequila Cat wrote...
I'm sure our resident BSN pedophile would agree with you.

See my "sky is falling" comment on the previous page. Different ≠ harmful.

Fandango9641 wrote...
So - to be clear - you see no problem with people using the BSN to discuss whether they would bugger Tali?

Not even vaguely. Whatever floats your boat man.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 28 novembre 2013 - 11:00 .

[Billy-the-Squid]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Tequila Cat wrote...
I'm sure our resident BSN pedophile would agree with you.

See my "sky is falling" comment on the previous page. Different ≠ harmful.

Apart from the fact there is one that frequents this place. So how about that holier than thou art attitude, do you still have those blinkers on?  

[Fredward]

Tequila Cat wrote...
Apart from the fact there is one that
frequents this place. So how about that holier than thou art attitude,
do you still have those blinkers on? 

Do you expect me to change my views because... wait, I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here now that I think about it. Pedophilia is definitely deviant but it's also harmful. I'm not forwarding the open and frank discussion of harmful kinks. But not all kinks, not everything that is deviant, is harmful.

BTW if you know, for a fact, that there is a pedophile on this forum you should report that ****.

Morocco Mole wrote...
Normal well-adjusted people don't discuss their kinks or fetishists in public. A man or woman can be into bondage or BDSM, I don't care. But when you're parading around as a gimp in public well, you're getting get a lot of disgusted looks and laughter at your expense.

There is a time and place for these sort of discussions. BSN is not one of them. If you want to talk about them go to tumblr or livejournal, or a site called fetlife.

The idea of normalcy is transient as ****. There is literally no reason for what is currently considered normal to remain such forever, it's not even possible. I don't expect everyone to accept it, it's the active exclusion bit that gets me. And for no other reason that it makes you uncomfortable.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 28 novembre 2013 - 12:03 .

[Ieldra]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...
Which is to say what exactly? That certain people should be allowed to discuss their kinks and fetishes on the BSN with impunity? Serious question.

If it doesn't do anyone any harm and it pertains to the character then why not?

So - to be clear - you see no problem with people using the BSN to discuss whether they would bugger Tali?

Why should I? To be clear: I do find this weird and even a bit creepy, but that has never been a sufficient reason for me to prevent someone from speaking their mind or taking part in a discussion.

As I see it, freedom of speech means that you're occasionally exposed to stuff that offends you, and being part of a freedom-of-speech culture requires that you learn to live with that and don't react with a call for censorship.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 novembre 2013 - 11:58 .

[Dhiro]

If there is a paedophile on the BSN I hope that you people have done what you can to report him/her, instead of simply using their existence as a bizarre trump card against The Romance Weirdos ™.

[Seboist]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...
Which is to say what exactly? That certain people should be allowed to discuss their kinks and fetishes on the BSN with impunity? Serious question.

If it doesn't do anyone any harm and it pertains to the character then why not?

So - to be clear - you see no problem with people using the BSN to discuss whether they would bugger Tali?

Why should I? To be clear: I do find this weird and even a bit creepy, but that has never been a sufficient reason for me to prevent someone from speaking their mind or taking part in a discussion.

As I see it, freedom of speech means that you're occasionally exposed to stuff that offends you, and being part of a freedom-of-speech culture requires that you learn to live with that and don't react with a call for censorship.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to a privately owned forum of a company who has a brand reputation to consider and product to sell. The romance obsession/discussion is a major reason why the BSN and by extension BW itself is a laughing stock on other forums.

Nevermind the bizarre and creepy discussion like tali sweat and whether one wants to have anal with her but when you have several hundred or thousand page long threads on such a miniscule "feature" like the "romances" while sections dedicated to the real meat of the game like character builds are a virtual ghost town then something is severely wrong with the forum. That these games have gained a rep for being "datesims" played by sexual deviants/degenerates is cause for concern for BW.

The BSN is long overdue for a thorough crackdown on this filth and silliness. What Priestly did with the closing of the ME3 chracter/romance section is merely a bandage on a large gaping wound.

[Reznore57]

I've only spend time in the DA2 companions sub forum , and it's really not the pit of hell some people are describing.
There's no troll over there , and posters are friendly.
Sometimes it gets a bit silly , but I don't think silly is bad , and I don't remember reading something and feeling the sudden urge to use some brain bleach.

I certainly felt way more uncomfortable reading some thread in the main general forums , where people were passive agressive (or just plain agressive ) towards each others.

[wolfhowwl]

Dhiro wrote...

If there is a paedophile on the BSN I hope that you people have done what you can to report him/her, instead of simply using their existence as a bizarre trump card against The Romance Weirdos ™.

The poster in question proclaimed herself to be a pedophile on different game forums but not here so there really isn't anything to do.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 28 novembre 2013 - 12:42 .

[Ieldra]

@Seboist:
Dry stuff like character builds doesn't evoke passion, thus it doesn't get talked about as much, and people who do talk about it leave when the topic they wanted to discuss has been exhausted, their problem solved or their question answered.

Story decisions and characters, those evoke passion, and thus they are talked about more.

Those who look down their noses at BSN, I'd ask: do you care about story and characters? If not, if it's all "just a game" to you, then STFU because you know nothing. If you do, then have a look into the Harry Potter forums to calibrate your weirdness meter. BSN is not exceptional among the sites where people talk about story and characters in works of fiction. It may be exceptional among game sites, but that's because most games don't feature these things nearly as prominently as Bioware's do.

Also, it's dishonest to hold up the most extreme examples as evidence that "people are creepy here".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 novembre 2013 - 01:19 .

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...
First off, this is not the place for you to talk about kinks or fetishes. Go to fetlife or a hundred different other websites out there if you really must talk about whatever rocks your boat. It shouldn't be be on this site. 

That's for Bioware to decide, not you. If they have a problem with it, they'll set out rules accoridngly. If they don't, then you have no right to insult people for posting whatever the hell they want.

If this makes me a tea partier so be it.

The posters have proven that they cannot adhere to the rules. Numerous times. Hence why the ME3 version was shut down.

It was shut down because posters got in heated arguments. I have yet to hear any Bioware developer say they took issue with anything else.

There is no point in making a forum for characters and romances, there is little gain to be had in it from the moderation the things take to keep the shippers, fetishists, and trolls breaking a hundred rules every waking hour.

There's no point to any forum, except to make a space for discussion of a given topic.

If you really want to discuss a character there is nothing stopping you from doing it in the main section.

There's nothing stopping you from discussing gameplay or quests in the main section either, but having distinct subforums makes it easier for people to find the topics they're interested in.

Given how disgusted you apparently are by the content of character/romance forums, I would think you, of all people, would want the main forum to be free of that stuff.

[Plaintiff]

Dhiro wrote...

If there is a paedophile on the BSN I hope that you people have done what you can to report him/her, instead of simply using their existence as a bizarre trump card against The Romance Weirdos ™.

I'm pretty sure there's no such individual. Rather, I suspect they've taken some comment out of contet, or chosen to take a sarcastic comment literally, so they can use it as fodder for harrassment.

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...
Normal well-adjusted people don't discuss their kinks or fetishists in public.

Obviously you've never heard of the Folsom Street Fair, or the numerous other public events that serve precisely this purpose.