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[SwobyJ]

Good post, ElSuper.

My Adept FemShep will still go Synthesis though. Like Kasumi's experience, she'll pine for her lost love Thane, and be more angry that a war was necessary, than the Reapers themselves forcing a war on us.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 27 novembre 2013 - 11:05 .

[SwobyJ]

Troxa wrote...

Sheps indoctrination was removed from the game at the last minute, but there are strong leftovers of it

http://social.biowar.../index/17471574

the following file located in the cookedPC folder : end001_final_run_trouble.

TIM confrontation was pretty much a place holder back in the script but seemed more complicated than "pick blue lol"
A lot of descriptions "you are regaining control" and "you are losing
control" - there appeared to be 10 steps in the conversation and not 5

Already know about all this.

It only shows:
-Indoctrination was at least considered at some point
-They either decided to be more subtle, or drop it entirely; no proof of either

That's it. Saying "Shep's indoctrination was removed from the game" is being intellectually dishonest about the evidence.

[Xamufam]

Modifié par Troxa, 28 novembre 2013 - 12:20 .

[ElSuperGecko]

SwobyJ wrote...
Already know about all this.

It only shows:
-Indoctrination was at least considered at some point
-They either decided to be more subtle, or drop it entirely; no proof of either

That's it. Saying "Shep's indoctrination was removed from the game" is being intellectually dishonest about the evidence.

It's a bit more involved than that.

The Final Hours app and the data Troxo provided above gives us a clear indication that the developers were actually planning on using obvious indoctrination elements in the final sequence less than six months prior to the games release.

Soalthough the final mission,the ending and the dialogue may have chaged, the rest of thegameplay elements that lead up to that point have not.  There is foreshadowing.  There are the "out of place" dream sequences.  There are the referential dialogue snippets, all intentional, all leading the player up to the final decision and the various endings.

These elements are still present and prevalent throughout the game... they just don't lead us to where they were originally planned to (or, as you point out, do so in a much more sublte and insidious manner)

[SwobyJ]

Troxa wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Sheps indoctrination was removed from the game at the last minute, but there are strong leftovers of it

http://social.biowar.../index/17471574

the following file located in the cookedPC folder : end001_final_run_trouble.

TIM confrontation was pretty much a place holder back in the script but seemed more complicated than "pick blue lol"
A lot of descriptions "you are regaining control" and "you are losing
control" - there appeared to be 10 steps in the conversation and not 5

Already know about all this.

It only shows:
-Indoctrination was at least considered at some point
-They either decided to be more subtle, or drop it entirely; no proof of either

That's it. Saying "Shep's indoctrination was removed from the game" is being intellectually dishonest about the evidence.

And
even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices). (here they state it was intended)

I know all this, and I have a copy of the Final Hours app. You don't seem to 'get it'.

Read again:

It only shows:
-Indoctrination was at least considered at some point
-They either decided to be more subtle, or drop it entirely; no proof of either


An 'indoc mechanic' isn't the same thing as an 'indoc story device or plotline'.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 27 novembre 2013 - 11:30 .

[illusive.man]

https://encrypted-tb...9nJfp7hg9FWygDy

IT  WAS  ALL  A  DREAM

[SwobyJ]

illusive.man wrote...

https://encrypted-tb...9nJfp7hg9FWygDy

IT  WAS  ALL  A  DREAM

It was more than that. Didn't you read Chris Priestly's post?

[illusive.man]

DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW ?
THIS IS THE NEW MASS EFFECT
with EA seal of approval
out next year
it has to be a dream

[SwobyJ]

More like a haze.....

[illusive.man]

SwobyJ wrote...

More like a haze.....

https://i.chzbgr.com...7232/hE5E15F69/

[SwobyJ]

DA2 was as well...

Subjective storytelling...

[illusive.man]

SwobyJ wrote...

DA2 was as well...

Subjective storytelling...

Honestly I could write a better ending

[Clayless]

SwobyJ wrote...

I know all this, and I have a copy of the Final Hours app. You don't seem to 'get it'.

Read again:

It only shows:
-Indoctrination was at least considered at some point
-They either decided to be more subtle, or drop it entirely; no proof of either


An 'indoc mechanic' isn't the same thing as an 'indoc story device or plotline'.

It's worse than that, Troxa is basically making it up. The evidence from the leaked script points out that Shepard loses control briefly at Sanctuary, and again immediately before TIM shows up at the end.

The developers talk about how they couldn't get that to work during gameplay.

The part in Sanctuary was cut, but the part with TIM wasn't, it was just turned into a scripted dialogue scene. "Full Reaper control" is so twisted from the truth that it's basically made up, and to believe that you'd have to ignore the moment in the game where Shepard does actually lose control.

But Troxa pulls out that copy-paste every week, you're not going to convince him otherwise, Truthers are beyond logic and reason.

[AlanC9]

illusive.man wrote...

https://encrypted-tb...9nJfp7hg9FWygDy

IT  WAS  ALL  A  DREAM

What's a party temple?

[illusive.man]

AlanC9 wrote...

illusive.man wrote...

https://encrypted-tb...9nJfp7hg9FWygDy




IT  WAS  ALL  A  DREAM

What's a party temple?

A special place where all dreams come true

[Rasofe]

What's this thread about?

[illusive.man]

Rasofe wrote...

What's this thread about?

Shepard's underwear  

[illusive.man]

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Robosexual wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I know all this, and I have a copy of the Final Hours app. You don't seem to 'get it'.

Read again:

It only shows:
-Indoctrination was at least considered at some point
-They either decided to be more subtle, or drop it entirely; no proof of either


An 'indoc mechanic' isn't the same thing as an 'indoc story device or plotline'.

It's worse than that, Troxa is basically making it up. The evidence from the leaked script points out that Shepard loses control briefly at Sanctuary, and again immediately before TIM shows up at the end.

The developers talk about how they couldn't get that to work during gameplay.

The part in Sanctuary was cut, but the part with TIM wasn't, it was just turned into a scripted dialogue scene. "Full Reaper control" is so twisted from the truth that it's basically made up, and to believe that you'd have to ignore the moment in the game where Shepard does actually lose control.

But Troxa pulls out that copy-paste every week, you're not going to convince him otherwise, Truthers are beyond logic and reason.

Yep Robo. Indoctrination being used (forget about specific IT or CW or DT or blah blah etc), has been neither confirmed nor denied by Bioware. All we *know*, is that a section was going to have overt mechanic use of indoctrination. It could have been (problematically) implemented more covertly, or it could have been (sloppily) removed entirely (left for us to speculate whether Shepard is indoc or not, at the most).

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I think those are the underwear Kasumi steals from his closet.

As for indoctrination. I find it odd that Shepard and none of his crew received any type of evaluations for it. Especially with all the reaper artifacts they keep coming across.  

[AlexMBrennan]

When did we learn how to detect indoctrination?

[His Name was HYR!!]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Personally, I believe that it's not Shepard who is being indoctrinated. It's the player themselves.

*snip*

Three minutes of exposition, and everything apparently changes. (less than) three minutes of sketchy monologues, veiled threats, circular logic, vague explanations, vague assurances, palm-waving and platitudes and suddenly some of us decide we no longer want to Destroy the Reapers.

...and THAT is where the indoctrination comes in. If we're not careful, we (as the players) end up doing something that nobody else wanted, something that we ourselves argued against, and convince ourselves that it's a good idea. We find increasingly convoluted ways to believe that we're actually doing the right thing.

Well played, Bioware. that's some serious next-level mindbending storytelling, right there.

So what is your reaction to the results of this poll I conducted: [ http://social.biowar...02/polls/37239/ ] - ?

Sion1138 wrote...

That's the death of role-playing right there.

Not even. It's been true since ME1.

[thehomeworld]

The way that control and synthesis are portrayed as rosy makes me think in these endings he is indoctrinated but the to offer destroy so easily again can point to indoctrination if this was reused pre-script change and only if the player did something or form particular alliances or had a particular pair brought with them for the end battle would shep be hacked back to reality or somehow stopped from taking any of the offered choices the kid gave and then avert the reality of shep gave the citadel over to the reapers.

There is a case to be made that this is all a fantasy drummed up by the reapers all but the FU ending but it seems BW decided to simply stop telling the story and so let the players think it is all good no matter what ending they chose but we all know from in game evidence which choices just wouldn't add up to happily ever afters.

[AlanC9]

HYR 2.0 wrote...


So what is your reaction to the results of this poll I conducted: [ http://social.biowar...02/polls/37239/ ] - ?

Looks like you can't see results for polls you haven't voted in anymore.

[NeonFlux117]

Shepard is impervious to indoctrination. Why?

Cause Shepard is Cool. Uber cool.

And the Rule of Cool supersedes everything.

Deal with it.