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[Statichands]

So I searched up why Biotics couldn't fly and one guy said it was because the races wern't advanced enough yet meaning the races still had room for improvements. So, will it ever get to the point where Biotic users can be powerful like Magneto where they can levitate, face guns with out an ounce of fear and create dangerous moves like that Gravity Squeez in MVC3 where Magneto traps people in a sphere of electromagnetic energy and metal? Basically, will Biotics keep on getting stronger?

[SwobyJ]

Yes. They're a hook for the franchise. "See what these powers can do!"

I'd guess more humans with them on a regular basis (not as more special people like the Normandy), current species get more use of them, but maybe new species have less or no biotics.

For strength, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see biotics eventually topple large buildings. At the same time, Combat and Tech have to match up in power. Can't have Biotics have all the fun

[pelojian]

hmm i see biotics as one side of the same coin with tech/physical on the other side.

I don't think biotics could gain a great advantage, personally i could see technology allowing greater power and control for biotics but not a power creep over technology.

remember just like a computer during a power outage pulls power from a backup power source to operate a biotic uses energy from themselves. neither has unlimited power and in the case with bioitics in captivity their ability to use them can be countered by restraining them or providing them with rations suited for non-biotics (or higher but not as high as a biotic would be rationed)

Modifié par pelojian, 27 novembre 2013 - 12:24 .

[Han Shot First]

I hope not.

Biotics shouldn't become the Mass Effect equivalent of Jedi/Sith.

[SwobyJ]

Han Shot First wrote...

I hope not.

Biotics shouldn't become the Mass Effect equivalent of Jedi/Sith.

That ship sailed with ME2's Justicars.

[AlexMBrennan]

There's only so much you can do with vague hand gestures a person has to execute so I'm pretty sure that for most of the sophisticated stuff you'd still need mass effect fields controlled by computers (eezo magic controlled by computers vs eezo magic controlled neural patterns triggered by gestures).

[Statichands]

SwobyJ wrote...

Yes. They're a hook for the franchise. "See what these powers can do!"

I'd guess more humans with them on a regular basis (not as more special people like the Normandy), current species get more use of them, but maybe new species have less or no biotics.

For strength, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see biotics eventually topple large buildings. At the same time, Combat and Tech have to match up in power. Can't have Biotics have all the fun

I wouldn't want them to be overpowered though like dragonball z

[Artifex_Imperius]

nice topic

Surely down the line someone will take biotics seriously. Even capable of crushing a reaper capital ship like The Leviathans. They may have used a form of biotics in bring a reaper down.

I'd like to see biotic's explored more thoroughly. like a discipline to using it. a skill tree perhaps.

biotics might go beyond simple offense and defense. biotics would be like a form of chi - improving regeneration, increasing strength, heightening senses & generating or controling elements like fire or lightning.

biotics should have an aura affinity table.

perfecting biotics could lead to eternal life. i.e. like leviathans. and may even transcend that to immortality.

lastly biotics should have no limits since you are drawing energy from the universe around you.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 27 novembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[Statichands]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

nice topic

Surely down the line someone will take biotics seriously. Even capable of crushing a reaper capital ship like The Leviathans. They may have used a form of biotics in bring a reaper down.

I'd like to see biotic's explored more thoroughly. like a discipline to using it. a skill tree perhaps.

biotics might go beyond simple offense and defense. biotics would be like a form of chi - improving regeneration, increasing strength, heightening senses & generating or controling elements like fire or lightning.

biotics should have an aura affinity table.

perfecting biotics could lead to eternal life. i.e. like leviathans. and may even transcend that to immortality.

lastly biotics should have no limits since you are drawing energy from the universe around you.

Yea, watching that Reaper just collapse into the sea was shocking. I can see why the Levaithans are worth so much militery strength. I can see what you mean, there could be biotic monks who dedicate their lives to studying the power of biotics Like Kenshiro from fist of the north. He started learning a assassination martial art when he was a kid and became the successor of that art. He was powerful but not overpowered like Superman or Goku. Perhaps they could introduce a new race that specializes in biotics. The Asari can naturally use Biotics, right? Apparantley the reapers struggled with Thessia because of that. Imagine an even more powerful race like the Kryptonians. They would have to be powerful but killable. We don't mass effect turning into a fighting game. Maybe we could get a class that only uses hand to hand combat.

[Statichands]

SwobyJ wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I hope not.

Biotics shouldn't become the Mass Effect equivalent of Jedi/Sith.

That ship sailed with ME2's Justicars.

Justicars are deadly like Samara:D Have you seen how Bruce Wayne becomes more deadly when he puts on the mask. He's even made it so the mask is frowning. Batman is one serious guy but Samara was more ruthless that's why I like Justicars so much. Would Samara kill me if I littered or downloaded music for free? Also, Batman vs Kasumi or that wanna  be samurai, Kai Leng, would a be a cool fight. 

[AlexMBrennan]

I'd suggest that everyone go back to read the bloody codex before demanding that they can play godmode sue in the sequel - biotics activate eezo in their body through gestures, and the only health effect that has is causing cancer in 90% of would-be biotics.

[SwobyJ]

Zarble wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Yes. They're a hook for the franchise. "See what these powers can do!"

I'd guess more humans with them on a regular basis (not as more special people like the Normandy), current species get more use of them, but maybe new species have less or no biotics.

For strength, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see biotics eventually topple large buildings. At the same time, Combat and Tech have to match up in power. Can't have Biotics have all the fun

I wouldn't want them to be overpowered though like dragonball z

Me neither. By 'toppling large buildings' there would be three important details:
-It'd either be the work of an actual 'biotic god' (major story event, specific entity of some sort), or the work of several or more powerful biotics working together and with consequences for them
-It would still be energy depleting. Anyone doing a massive biotic feat better be drained of most energy and pass out after it, or far worse
-Combat and Tech users would, at this point in the storyline, be just as powerful in their own ways. Biotics CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be the ubergods of Mass Effect, but only reflect a part of what makes organics powerful, and their potential

Modifié par SwobyJ, 27 novembre 2013 - 09:22 .

[Han Shot First]

Biotics should never become god-like in the series. They should basically remain as they are, powerful but with limitations, and killable by anyone equipped and competent with firearms.

They should never become like the Mass Effect equivalent of Jedi or Sith, where for the most part it takes another force-user (I mean biotic) to kill one.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 novembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[Guanxii]

Who are the pre-eminent military super-power in the Mass Effect universe: the Turians or the Asari?

The Asari are a soft-power and their influence does not stem from their biotic prowess, but rather their diplomatic and trade relations which is a byproduct of their lifespan.

Humans will never be on par with natural biotics with thousand year lifespans and if the Asari can't translate their biotic prowess into military supremacy then the humans certainly won't.

I would wager that technological advancement is far more important which is why the Geth or equivelant would ultimately dominate a destroy or control universe.

Biotics have never and will never translate into full spectrum dominance because that would neither be practical, affordable or desirable.

Modifié par Guanxii, 28 novembre 2013 - 08:06 .

[Massa FX]

@ OP.

No. Krogan will dominate the universe. By sheer numbers. Wrex won't be able to control them.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

The rational, critically thinking person in me wants to talk about powers, responsibility, and the perils of having to evade Willem Defoe at every turn. But as a someone who has put hundreds of hours spread across several playthroughs of the trilogy, as a vanguard - and then some in the multiplayer, I am physically unable to give any other response than: 

Nnngh yeeees, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BEHOLD ME MORTALS AND KNOW YOU ARE GAZING UPON THE FACE OF YOUR DOOM

Modifié par Phoenix_Also_Rises, 30 novembre 2013 - 07:48 .

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

StreetMagic wrote...

If not technically more "powerful", I'd still love to see more flashy biotics in the new games. More powers on the level of Aria's (kind of has a built explosive element to it), more environmental manipulation and destruction (like ME1, but better). Integrate flight and pulling large vehicles and whatnot. That's what biotics do in cutscenes and books. The gameplay is catering more to guns, but it shouldn't. Battles should be more crazy.

Absolutely. In ME2, for instance, both Jack and Samara are built up as these biotic bosses (I do love that description of Aria from the Omega DLC), but when it comes to taking them to battle and actually using those powers...meh, So underwhelming. 

[caradoc2000]

So will Biotics dominate the universe in the future

Of course not. Doctors will just prescribe some antibiotics and the problem will go away.

[Kelwing]

Waves hand...these are not the biotic users you are looking for.

[Zehealingman]

Yeah, I wouldn't want biotics to become the Jedi/Sith of the MEU either. I'd love to if they are strong but also exhausting in the next game. (Maybe a way to make projectils optional? I loved the direct biotics of ME1/Squadmates, felt more powerfull IMO.)

[Statichands]

Phoenix_Also_Rises wrote...

The rational, critically thinking person in me wants to talk about powers, responsibility, and the perils of having to evade Willem Defoe at every turn. But as a someone who has put hundreds of hours spread across several playthroughs of the trilogy, as a vanguard - and then some in the multiplayer, I am physically unable to give any other response than: 

Nnngh yeeees, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BEHOLD ME MORTALS AND KNOW YOU ARE GAZING UPON THE FACE OF YOUR DOOM

Perhaps biotics are strong enough. Remember when samara threw that eclipse merc through that glass window with powers. She couldn't never do that in the actual gameplay

[Guanxii]

Mark Alarton wrote...

Yeah, I wouldn't want biotics to become the Jedi/Sith of the MEU either. I'd love to if they are strong but also exhausting in the next game. (Maybe a way to make projectils optional? I loved the direct biotics of ME1/Squadmates, felt more powerfull IMO.)

I don't know how you can make biotics physically exhausting without extending the length of cooldowns - except maybe extended biotic use could depleat your health during a state of exhaustion. Perhaps bioware could introducing a stamina bar related to fitness which determined cooldown.

Maybe the opportunity cost of putting more points in fitness granted you shorter cooldowns in exchange for losing points that could be spent leveing up powers.

Modifié par Guanxii, 01 décembre 2013 - 12:52 .

[Wulfram]

I'm not really all that impressed by Biotics. They don't seem much of a match for artillery, tanks and air and space support. And in the end, serious wars are going to be won in space.

So wars are going to be won by the economy, as per usual.