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[leaguer of one]

Ryzaki wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
...For an african person. But there's no issue making a dark skinned indian person.

I've seen some REALLY dark indians and they can't be made properly either. (Yes there's indians as dark as some black people).

Look  at my last post.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:01 .

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
...For an african person. But there's no issue making a dark skinned indian person.

I've seen some REALLY dark indians and they can't be made properly either. (Yes there's indians as dark as some black people).

Look up.

Actually Rivain is more or less based on Spain, hence Duncan's and Isabela skin tone. But they do also have people like Vivienne too

[Inquisitor Recon]

leaguer of one wrote...
BG had  strong woman, woman  with power, racial issues, and racial diversity, It just did not have any homosexuality, or major sex issues or plot points of any kind.

What I wonder is when did this become some sort of problem as some would suggest it is? BG was easily one of their better works and didn't need half the party as love interests.

[Enigmatick]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
BG had  strong woman, woman  with power, racial issues, and racial diversity, It just did not have any homosexuality, or major sex issues or plot points of any kind.

What I wonder is when did this become some sort of problem as some would suggest it is? BG was easily one of their better works and didn't need half the party as love interests.

Hell BG1 had a character who hated men with all her heart and atleast she was entertaining.

[Ryzaki]

leaguer of one wrote...

Look  at my last post.

A. She's not that dark and B. I tried making a darker skinned FemHawke ended up with the skin just not looking right.

[Br3admax]

Do keep in mind that we still have no idea what Malcolm looks like, as only the Amells actually change. That limitation could be put in their for a reason. Besides laziness, I hope.

[Ryzaki]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
BG had  strong woman, woman  with power, racial issues, and racial diversity, It just did not have any homosexuality, or major sex issues or plot points of any kind.

What I wonder is when did this become some sort of problem as some would suggest it is? BG was easily one of their better works and didn't need half the party as love interests.

BG2 however had the 3 female LIs attempting to claw off my male characters pants if he so much as complimented them though.

That said I'm pretty sure I'd like BG more as a whole (including 2) if it wasn't stuck with that atrocious combat system that made me wanna claw my eyes out before throwing them into an active volcano.

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
...For an african person. But there's no issue making a dark skinned indian person.

I've seen some REALLY dark indians and they can't be made properly either. (Yes there's indians as dark as some black people).

Look up.

Actually Rivain is more or less based on Spain, hence Duncan's and Isabela skin tone. But they do also have people like Vivienne too

Culturally it's like Spain to an extent. Racally it's not. Most peopel of spain are light skinned. People of Rivain are dark skinned to ebony.

[leaguer of one]

Ryzaki wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Look  at my last post.

A. She's not that dark and B. I tried making a darker skinned FemHawke ended up with the skin just not looking right.

A. Yes, She is.That clearly is dark shin B. Your issue is more of face modling.

[jillabender]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

How about they work on making the best game possible rather than trying to appease those who look for reasons to be offended by "not enough people of X race/sexuality/gender/whatever"?

It's a game, it's shouldn't be about showing IRL minorties in a certain light. Most of us would rather not suffer such preaching.

If the writer wants to make character X of a certain race or gender or whatever, let them, but it shouldn't be for this politically correct inclusitivity holding-hands and singing kumbia nonsense. It should be based on who they want that character to be.

If the writer wants character X to be straight that should be acceptable without "outrage" from those of the same gender who want to bang them. Character writing should come first, these other reasons based on supposed real world biases shouldn't even be a concern.

With respect, I think the source of some of the antagonism around this issue comes from people reading requests from people who want more LGBT, non-white or female characters to identify with in games and stories, and concluding that taking those requests seriously will result in characters who have no purpose as characters beyond being there to represent a group of people.

I can't agree with that conclusion. I believe that it's possible to empathize with people who are frustrated with seeing their gender, race or sexual orientation treated as an afterthought in games and stories, and to take their feelings of frustration and alienation seriously, without becoming fixated as a writer on that issue to the exclusion of all else.

Modifié par jillabender, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Do keep in mind that we still have no idea what Malcolm looks like, as only the Amells actually change. That limitation could be put in their for a reason. Besides laziness, I hope.

Fair enough.

I just prefer TOR's way of doing it. You could be as pale as you wanted or as dark as you wanted. I could make my lovely dark beauties that way

leaguer of one wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Look  at my last post.

A. She's not that dark and B. I tried making a darker skinned FemHawke ended up with the skin just not looking right.

A. Yes, She is.That clearly is dark shin B. Your issue is more of face modling.

A. She really isn't that dark and B. Thanks for telling me what my issue was. Cause clearly you know what I think better than myself.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:14 .

[leaguer of one]

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
BG had  strong woman, woman  with power, racial issues, and racial diversity, It just did not have any homosexuality, or major sex issues or plot points of any kind.

What I wonder is when did this become some sort of problem as some would suggest it is? BG was easily one of their better works and didn't need half the party as love interests.

BG2 however had the 3 female LIs attempting to claw off my male characters pants if he so much as complimented them though.

That said I'm pretty sure I'd like BG more as a whole (including 2) if it wasn't stuck with that atrocious combat system that made me wanna claw my eyes out before throwing them into an active volcano.

1. they were just starting with the romance.
2. Very ironic being that it;s almost the same combat system as dragon age....Just with much more  need for caution.

[Br3admax]

David Gaider wrote...

There are indeed black people in Thedas-- the Rivaini have skin tones ranging from dark tan to ebony. You'll find them scattered in various places. As to whether or not we would ever have a party member who was Rivaini, we'll see. I don't think we would include it just for the sake of including it. As a character concept, representation of a real-world ethnic group is pretty weak if that's all it is.

Insofar as someone not liking the fact that Thedas is (very loosely) based on medieval Europe-- well that's nice, but we like it just fine.

/thread

[spirosz]

leaguer of one wrote...

spirosz wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Khevan77 wrote...

It's been that way for Bioware games from the beginning. 

Technically, that isn't true.  

Correction: It's been that way from the time bw started making rpg's and it sky rocketed the moment they included romances.

Original Baldur's Gate isn't considered an RPG?  

BG had  strong woman, woman  with power, racial issues, and racial diversity, It just did not have any homosexuality, or major sex issues or plot points of any kind.

What.

He said "There will be romances in DA:I.  It's been that way for Bioware games from the beginning."

What.  

[Ryzaki]

leaguer of one wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
BG had  strong woman, woman  with power, racial issues, and racial diversity, It just did not have any homosexuality, or major sex issues or plot points of any kind.

What I wonder is when did this become some sort of problem as some would suggest it is? BG was easily one of their better works and didn't need half the party as love interests.

BG2 however had the 3 female LIs attempting to claw off my male characters pants if he so much as complimented them though.

That said I'm pretty sure I'd like BG more as a whole (including 2) if it wasn't stuck with that atrocious combat system that made me wanna claw my eyes out before throwing them into an active volcano.

1. they were just starting with the romance.
2. Very ironic being that it;s almost the same combat system as dragon age....Just with much more  need for caution.

1. ...and that makes that less annoying..how exactly?

2. Nah I didn't get anywhere near as many one hit kills on my party in DAO nor did I have to worry about instant death spells that came out of nowhere that I was stuck hoping didn't instant kill my PC (nor did I have to worry about a game over just because my squishy PC died yet *again*) There was a lot less RNG involved in DAO.

[leaguer of one]

Br3ad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

There are indeed black people in Thedas-- the Rivaini have skin tones ranging from dark tan to ebony. You'll find them scattered in various places. As to whether or not we would ever have a party member who was Rivaini, we'll see. I don't think we would include it just for the sake of including it. As a character concept, representation of a real-world ethnic group is pretty weak if that's all it is.

Insofar as someone not liking the fact that Thedas is (very loosely) based on medieval Europe-- well that's nice, but we like it just fine.

/thread

And with that Isabella is the thedus black person.

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Actually Rivain is more or less based on Spain, hence Duncan's and Isabela skin tone. But they do also have people like Vivienne too

Culturally it's like Spain to an extent. Racally it's not. Most peopel of spain are light skinned. People of Rivain are dark skinned to ebony.

To be fair, while that's true we've only seen two so far and they aren't as dark skinned as you say they are

[Br3admax]

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

There are indeed black people in Thedas-- the Rivaini have skin tones ranging from dark tan to ebony. You'll find them scattered in various places. As to whether or not we would ever have a party member who was Rivaini, we'll see. I don't think we would include it just for the sake of including it. As a character concept, representation of a real-world ethnic group is pretty weak if that's all it is.

Insofar as someone not liking the fact that Thedas is (very loosely) based on medieval Europe-- well that's nice, but we like it just fine.

/thread

And with that Isabella is the thedus black person.

I'm talking about the rest of it after the inclusion of a Rivaini character. 

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Actually Rivain is more or less based on Spain, hence Duncan's and Isabela skin tone. But they do also have people like Vivienne too

Culturally it's like Spain to an extent. Racally it's not. Most peopel of spain are light skinned. People of Rivain are dark skinned to ebony.

To be fair, while that's true we've only seen two so far and they aren't as dark skinned as you say they are

Vivienne.
And Isabella is pretty dark.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:24 .

[manbobjoe]

They should write a character first then if they feel its applicable to the character make them romanceable, and by no means should they make a character gay or bi "because they need to have diverse companions in the game or I won't feel included". Simply put most people are not gay or bi, it's the truth and I'm not hating for saying it, and to be blunt I don't care if we have a gay companion but making half of them gay just because "equality", is a total bull reason. At this point you're not asking to be properly represented your asking for the minority to be over represented and the majority to be under represented, and that's pandering I rather not see in a game.

On race, most people in Thedas are different shades of white and apparently some areas have darker skinned people, but there is no evidence that blacks even exist in Thedas so my should they be forced in? Maybe they just don't exist in this world. Also the different species(elf, dwarf, human, etc) seem to cover racial issues not differences between humans.

Modifié par manbobjoe, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:25 .

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Actually Rivain is more or less based on Spain, hence Duncan's and Isabela skin tone. But they do also have people like Vivienne too

Culturally it's like Spain to an extent. Racally it's not. Most peopel of spain are light skinned. People of Rivain are dark skinned to ebony.

To be fair, while that's true we've only seen two so far and they aren't as dark skinned as you say they are

Vivian.
And Isabella is pretty dark.

Wasn't arguing that they wasn't dark, just that they aren't as dark as you made them out to be (i.e the pic you used to compare Isabela)

[Killdren88]

Perhaps in the next game it can take place in Rivain and you can play as a pirate. That ought to take care of the imbalance.

Modifié par Killdren88, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:25 .

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Actually Rivain is more or less based on Spain, hence Duncan's and Isabela skin tone. But they do also have people like Vivienne too

Culturally it's like Spain to an extent. Racally it's not. Most peopel of spain are light skinned. People of Rivain are dark skinned to ebony.

To be fair, while that's true we've only seen two so far and they aren't as dark skinned as you say they are

Vivian.
And Isabella is pretty dark.

Wasn't arguing that they wasn't dark, just that they aren't as dark as you made them out to be (i.e the pic you used to compare Isabela)

So people as dark as people from sudan are the only true black people?

[leaguer of one]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Well, I will say it's nice to see we continue to bicker over the same things, like siblings.

Some things never change.

War never changes.