MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
Because the gist of your entire argument is: 'I want people who are gay and black so I can feel good about being represented in a game.'
No. That is not the gist of my argument. You accuse me of "strawmanning" your argument when you reduce my argument to gists. Let's both stop this. My argument plain and simply is that a good game represents more people than those who normally get pandered to by videogames. You may not think this is the case, but a lot of times videogame designers are consciously aiming their product at a small group of the population, those who are white, young, straight, and male.
I never said anything pro-white, pro-straight, or anti-minority.
I said to not make the story an asspull of kumbaya singing children of all races and creeds for the sake of making it like that just to please SJW's who are upset because not every minority is represented in a story that isn't about representing minorites.
You originally said you did not want this game to become a "dating simulator" for minorities. I retorted and said I did not want this game to be a dating simulator for straight white people. And to accuse people who want the game to reflect greater degrees of diversity to be asking for an "asspull of kumbaya" is demeaning and rude. Just as it would be rude for me to say people who fight against diversity in a game are all bigots. So you are provoking a negative response. I'm sorry if you don't realize that.
Additionally, increasing the amount of minorities who are main/developed characters in the game would not be just to please "SJWs" (again inflammatory language). Bioware has made panels about representing women in games, and about representing LGBTQ characters. It is part of their agenda to represent these people, and they are concerned with doing it well and are open to player feedback. So in a sense, any Bioware goal has a subtext of being more equitable than most games on the market.
But I'd rather they be diverse individuals because of what's on the inside, not on what's on the outside. Not because they're gay or black or female.
And what a bout a person being gay, black, or female collapses them into being simply those labels? Would Bioware ever make a character simply one thing? I hope none of us would be on this forum if they were that bad at writing characters. Is Jacob simplt "the black guy"? Is Steve simply the "brown gay guy"? Is Isabela simply "the ethnic girl?" No.
As is being suggested here, the writers would basically be going out of their way to make 50% of Thedas homosexual for the sake of equality. He's not asking for a good story. He's asking for what I've been saying is a bad thing: Adding things for the sake of adding things. He's asking to be pandered to. He's asking for special treatment.
If that is really what the OP is asking for, sure it makes no sense. Yet, even so, there could be more non-straight or non-european looking characters. And also, the OP is not asking to be pandered to because he is not asking for himself, but for other people he feels under-represented and subject to unfair ridicule on the forums.
The story shouldn't be engaging to people because there are gay characters or black characters in it. It should be engaging because its a good story. A story isn't defined by whether or not Bob is gay or whether or not Tony is black (unless that is the point of said story). If you, or others, are playing this game for those reasons, then you're going to be disappointed. This story isn't about you and your sexuality or anyone else's.
None of us ever said we play Bioware games only because they tend to have more diverse characters than many franchises. We all like the stories. We all find some characters compelling (regardless of race, sexuality, or species). You're putting words in my mouth. And true, the story is not about sexuality! Yet, Bioware consciously has made the decision to allow a diverse range of sexuality to be expressed in their games.
I'm not making a judgement on who you are. I'm saying that if you are the kind of person that I described, then you probably need to learn that its not about you. It's not about me. It's about what is best for the story. And having gay or black or female characters in a story does not automatically make it better or more engaging, nor does the lack of them automatically make it any worse or less engaging.
You are assigning some value to who I am. I am not trying to make the game "Statare's Dragon Age: Inquisition". I never said that a terrible game can be made better by having more diverse representations. I merely voiced the opinion, shared by many people, that more diversity in a good game can make a good game better. The characters must be compelling characters who transcend labels, but they still should be present. The problem is is that people assume that a minority character would simply be in the game because the developers wanted to pander to someone. A straight or white character is not questioned whether it is pandering to straight or white people. It is assumed that that is normal. Why is that the case?
That's not my argument. I never made that argument. Stop strawmanning my argument. The fact that you're going out of your way to villify me because I don't believe in pandering to minorities in a video game who's is not meant to pander to minorities tells me that you're more interested in getting attention and special treatment than anything else. Enough so that when someone says that the game is not about those preferences, you label them as a homophobic, misogynistic, white supremacist.
I'm trying not to put words in your mouth. I am not going out of my way to villify you. I felt like you were doing the same to me. I do not know you personally. I am sorry you think I am implying you are a type of person. You did imply you knew what type of person I "might" be and did imply that the only reason people want diversity is because they are selfish. Maybe people are affraid of the possibility of diversity because they have something to loose? Is that not selfish? Can't there be room in a game to a range of people well and equally?
Because they're being put in the game not for the sake of the story, but for the sake of having them because diversity. You're asking to be pandered to. You're asking for special treatment.
All I'm going to say is that I don't care if you're black or white or gay or straight or bi or whatever. Get back in line with the rest of us.
I don't want people to feel left out of a game. Please don't think that people who want more diversity in a game want to exclude people. That makes no sense. We, just like you, want a well written story first, good gameplay second, and to feel like the character we choose to make has a place in the story third. The problem is that videogames have a tendency to ignore groups of people and over-represent other people. I am one of the people who wants more of a balance. It is not something that one game would solve, and I don't want Inquisition to be a game solely populated by "minorities".
I'm sorry there was so much animosity in this discussion between us. I feel like we agree on a lot of things, like wanting a good game first. I really don't know where it turned so sour, I personally felt like it came from you. Maybe I just went on the defensive too quickly.
My humble opinion is that I do not believe more diversity would adversly affect the story. I think Thedas has room enough in it to be diverse, and that the writters would be more than able to not make diverse characters feel forced or stereotypical, but natural and well-done. You may disagree, but please let's not keep putting words in eachother's mouths.
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