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[ioannisdenton]

iakus wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

Nonsense. Synthesis is the best ending. Huskification is just nonsense.
I used to hate this ending as i was indoctrinated that Me3 is a bad game from this community.
Replaying Me trilogy one more time atm and having finished me1 i have to say that Me1 purists are so stuck in the past: Me3 > me1 in every possible way. And this comes from a man who became obsessed with ME since Me1.
There is a lot of emotion in that ending. EDI cracks me up in tears. So much emotion from a machine-a.i. The future looks better ,exciting and sci-fi in Synthesis ending.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Oh, my!

Thank you.  Thank you very much for that laugh.  I really needed it!

you are welcome. Yet i find Me3 the best game of the 3 with synthesis the best ending. Let's not discuss any further. this has been done to the death.

[Barhador]

What I do know, is that the idea of a lifeform with a final evolution (Synthesis) is absurd. Continuation is a property of evolution and evolution itself is the property of life.

[AlexMBrennan]

Xellith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

kind of ego centric to think that you cannot learn something new. How big, exactly is space anyway, how many planets and it's beings out there?

Guess we'll never know,eh?

If the catalyst is right, the relay explosions (which can be seen from outside the milky way) were probobly detected by races in other galaxies.  The Milky way can look forwards to being invaded by these Synthetic killing machiens that have arisen in other galaxies (and wiped out all life there) regardless of the ending color chosen.

Cue ME4!

But they would get synthesised when they cross the green wave and turn into harmless pacifist robot hybrids

[Artifex_Imperius]

Rasofe wrote...

Synthesis is some alien robot's crazy idea of perfection that EDI unfortunately gets sucked into because it lets her and Joker have a more carnal relationship. It's unfair to all the organics who now glow in the dark and have to see each other when they have sex.

Okay, more to the point. The Catalyst THINKS that Synthesis is the apex of evolution. More likely it just transcends evolution of life and doesn't even work anymore. Perhaps genetic code doesn't mutate anymore. i don't know, the details are ambigious, but the only way it would satisfy the Catalyst's insane demands would be if evolution simply stopped afterwards.

The real solutions to its so called problem have unfolded right before its eyes, but for some bizarre reason it doesn't believe anything it can't observe by turning it into a Reaper. Except Shepard, who raised some flags. But it's doubtful the Catalyst realises what makes Shepard so important.

i read this and :face palm:

but here's a nice video for you!: youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0

[SwobyJ]

Barhador wrote...

What I do know, is that the idea of a lifeform with a final evolution (Synthesis) is absurd. Continuation is a property of evolution and evolution itself is the property of life.

Sort of. It is a sort of evolutionary stagnation, but I think the point is that 'we've done all that lifeforms can do on this plane, let's explore other universes and leave mortality, and its limitations behind'.

But then, again, I take the endings as far more symbolic than literal.

[Rotward]

SwobyJ wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Any ending involving the reaper tech will result in a technological stagnation. The reapers are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of years old. They still haven't escaped the galaxy. Their tech, from what we saw in 'from ashes,' has not advanced at all over the course of a cycle. In all likelihood, the reapers themselves have long since become technologically stagnant. Thus, any society which relies on their tech will suffer the same fate.

I like the concept of synthesis, but I would not allow that ending while the reapers still existed.

I think the point is that:
-Reaper level of advancement and knowledge base
-PLUS organic ingenuity
-PLUS potential other-synthetic variation (Geth)

Would lead not to stagnation, but a level of transcendance eventually beyond the physical laws of the universe.
It wouldn't be a reliance on their tech, but both beings relying on each other, no longer chained to the Cycle.

However, I view it as symbolic. And sapient/sentient husks automatically ruins it for me. And IMO, Mass Effect 3 is not the game to properly make this choice. Maybe later.

While synthesis grants us access to a huge resovior of information, there's a ton of overlap. Every civilization developed along a very similar path. We'd gain variety, but advance no further than the reapers, who are only so far ahead of the organics they harvest. They represent a step forward along the technological trail every civilization they harvest is walking. 

The geth and organics might provide some horizontal advancement, but not vertical. The desire to advance vertically comes from having problems to solve to which science is tha answer. What problems will there be left, that aren't cultural? With reaper tech they'll have thousands of civilizations' knowledge. Synthesis grants us the means to every tech  for luxury, efficiency, and sustainability for a galactic civilization. The only vertical advancement left is to escape the galaxy, and develop higher yeild weapons, since the reapers only needed so much destructive power.

The galaxy would spend millenia recovering. Then there's a huge amount of the milkyway that this cycle hasn't populated; according to Liara, this cycle is roughly 1/3 the size of the prothean empire before the harvest. Reaper tech's a dead end for intergalactic expansion, so we'd have to find a new means of travel. I don't see people backtracking like that for curiosity alone, not quickly. Without serious motivation, civilization would advance at a snails pace for a long time. 

Modifié par Rotward, 28 novembre 2013 - 04:47 .

[SwobyJ]

The vertical advancement is to expand outside this universe. (Non-Synth)EDI even spends her time theorizing about it, and she's only a synthetic.
We'd gain a new level of life and transcendence.

The *cost* of such rapid advancement into the larger cosmos would be:
1)Our individuality and competition (Destroy)
2)Our safety and cooperation (Control)

Sorry though, like I said, I see the endings as more symbolic than anything else. I don't really think the Reapers are high fiving with the Organics, so I'm not thinking on that literal level. I'd have to say a lot to explain my reasoning, so I'm just leaving it at that!

When taken literally, both Control and Synthesis disgust me. And yes, Reaper tech itself is quite a dead end. That doesn't mean that it isn't still billions of years of advancement ahead of us that we wouldn't hit quickly if we didn't have Reaper tech around (regardless of ending choice).

Modifié par SwobyJ, 28 novembre 2013 - 05:27 .

[Rotward]

SwobyJ wrote...
The vertical advancement is to expand outside this universe. (Non-Synth)EDI even spends her time theorizing about it, and she's only a synthetic.

You racist! Also, we have theories about intergalactic travel now, but we still can't realisticly travel around in our own solar system. The jump from theory to fact can be massive. 

[His Name was HYR!!]

 I think the potential for creativity (and productivity) is a lot higher post-Sync than post- any other ending, tbh.

[Vicious]

There was a Turian in ME2 that said things would be so much easier if we all just had the same DNA.

But to address the question,

No. because Bioware didn't explicitly state it.

if it wasn't stated it's just fanwank or fanfic. Synthesis is the best ending (which befits its place as 'hardest to get') for the galaxy, and Destroy is the worst. period.

i don't like it but it's what it is.

Modifié par Vicious, 28 novembre 2013 - 05:49 .

[Gervaise]

A lot depends on whether you are considering things with the original ending or EC ending. The original ending had nothing about us benefitting from the knowledge of previous cycles, nor did the Catalyst cite this as a reason for choosing synthesis. It favoured this "solution" because there would no longer be synthetics and organics but just synthetics and a hybrid of the two, who would "understand" one another and therefore the need for conflict would be removed.

Evolution would definitely halt since the nanobots have messed with everyone's DNA. That was evident in the original endings - you don't end up with glowing eyes and glowing leaves unless something pretty drastic has occurred. In the EC EDI suggests that with the technology available it may be possible to overcome death - actually so far as organics are concerned this would be pretty much like Mordin suggested happened to the Collectors, who survived from the previous cycles through repeated implants of tech that superceded their original identity.

If you believe the Catalyst, then the driving force behind much technological development is to make life easier for the organics. There is a limit to how convenient you can make life. The driving force behind Quarian development of AIs was to try and achieve immortality by being able to download their consciousness into an AI body. So if DNA has been manipulated so that immortality is achievable, this will limit the desire to develop further. Also there will be no need to reproduce (probably not possible any way any more) so the need to develop more advance means of food production to feed growing population will also no longer exist. The other driving force behind technology has always been warfare - if synthesis removes all conflict, then this will also no longer exist.

Generally I would say that there will be stagnation.

[Xamufam]

more like the next generation is molded into a slave race

Modifié par Troxa, 01 décembre 2013 - 02:37 .

[StarcloudSWG]

SwobyJ wrote...

When taken literally, both Control and Synthesis disgust me. And yes, Reaper tech itself is quite a dead end. That doesn't mean that it isn't still billions of years of advancement ahead of us that we wouldn't hit quickly if we didn't have Reaper tech around (regardless of ending choice).

According to what Mac Walters and Casey Hudson have said and with the release of the Extended Cut, the ending is meant to be taken literally. 

It's also meant to provoke thought about what those endings mean, but it is meant to be taken as "This all happens exactly as it's shown."

[SwobyJ]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

When taken literally, both Control and Synthesis disgust me. And yes, Reaper tech itself is quite a dead end. That doesn't mean that it isn't still billions of years of advancement ahead of us that we wouldn't hit quickly if we didn't have Reaper tech around (regardless of ending choice).

According to what Mac Walters and Casey Hudson have said and with the release of the Extended Cut, the ending is meant to be taken literally. 

It's also meant to provoke thought about what those endings mean, but it is meant to be taken as "This all happens exactly as it's shown."

Oh it happened exactly as shown. The ending of Extended Cut is the world we set up, and the world we left...

That's not what I mean by 'literally'. What's important is 'where' the endings happened.

I'll elaborate if I'm proven to be correct as news comes in. I've made more sloppy posts about it earlier in the BSN threads.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 01 décembre 2013 - 08:59 .

[Deathsaurer]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

According to what Mac Walters and Casey Hudson have said and with the release of the Extended Cut, the ending is meant to be taken literally.

I'd like a source on that.

[Obadiah]

People seem pretty creative in the Synthesis ending slides, so I don't know why "creative sterility" would be inferred.

Modifié par Obadiah, 02 décembre 2013 - 02:18 .

[SwobyJ]

Deathsaurer wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

According to what Mac Walters and Casey Hudson have said and with the release of the Extended Cut, the ending is meant to be taken literally.

I'd like a source on that.

They never said it was meant to be taken literally. I never heard them even use the word "literally".

They did say that they wanted people to see the future of the world, or along those lines. I could watch the video again, and I just might.

[Rotward]

Slightly off topic, but I saw a comment about the reapers being billions of years old, and I'm wondering: do we know the reapers age? I thought the oldest confirmed record of reaper activity was 37 million years with the derelict reaper in me2.

[Deathsaurer]

Leviathan of Dis was originally estimated to be nearly a billion years old, the Catalyst says it's eons old.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Been saying it all along Synthesis = Stagnation.

[His Name was HYR!!]

^^ I find it kinda funny that people freak out about "stagnation" in Sync (whatever that even means, beyond something Mordin told them that they probably don't understand) but it's in Destroy and Control ending that the galaxy goes crawling back to the foundations of the galaxy that the Reapers had set up for them in the first place (mass-relays, Citadel).

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Eventually, yes. Synthesis leads to stagnation, because there are fewer limitations to overcome. Why bother inventing something new when someone (an older Reaper civilization) has already found a solution that works well? Just ask for it and it's given.

And the Reapers are technologically and developmentally stagnant because they certainly have no challenges left to overcome.

[Rasofe]

The impact done by the Relays to organic development is already done, and it's carried in all the endings. There's no need for even more damage, although some may find it desirable. Why anyone would jump into an energy vaporise field without any indication that they'd survive, without an explanation for why they're doing it, or an acknowledgement afterwards (being dead and everything), is beyond me.
Whether Synthesis is a creative dead-end is academic. It replaces the humanity of all human beings with whatever mindset these... synthesis things... have. Whatever creativity will exist will no longer be human.

[Rasofe]

SwobyJ wrote...

Deathsaurer wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

According to what Mac Walters and Casey Hudson have said and with the release of the Extended Cut, the ending is meant to be taken literally.

I'd like a source on that.

They never said it was meant to be taken literally. I never heard them even use the word "literally".

They did say that they wanted people to see the future of the world, or along those lines. I could watch the video again, and I just might.

No writer in their right mind uses the word "literally" loosely, because they're writing fiction. Telling people to take things literally for them is like asking the viewer to believe the story is non-fiction. It's generally a word avoided when discussing stories, and wisely so.

Modifié par Rasofe, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[His Name was HYR!!]

Rasofe wrote...

The impact done by the Relays to organic development is already done, and it's carried in all the endings. There's no need for even more damage, although some may find it desirable.

lol @ "damage."

I bet the drell wish they were "damaged" by mass-relay transit while overpopulating and starving on their planet.

The benefits that every organic species had enjoyed by using the 'relays far, far outweighs the negatives (if there are even negatives at all). That the Reapers planted them there as a trap is a moot point because the trap failed. It's just ironic that people think they're somehow safer from "stagnation" (which, again, I don't know why this scares the crap out of them so much in the first place) by choosing Destroy or Control, when those endings return them to the status-quo that invited complacency. You don't see them in the Green ending, which almost seems to suggest their looking into alternatives.

Why anyone would jump into an energy vaporise field without any indication that they'd survive, without an explanation for why they're doing it, or an acknowledgement afterwards (being dead and everything), is beyond me.

There was an explanation. Do your research.

Whether Synthesis is a creative dead-end is academic. It replaces the humanity of all human beings with whatever mindset these... synthesis things... have. Whatever creativity will exist will no longer be human.

Appeal-to-nature fallacy.