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[TopTrog]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Can you post your build? I've always wondered how I should build the KroDept.

...not that I'm even able to play right now.... nor have I for like a year... but I'm still curious! LOL

No problem. But hopefully you mean either BatDept or KroSent, because I never found a KroDept build that really clicked for me, would appreciate some suggestions for that myself :-).

BatDept I usually run lash-less 60666. Lash is great fun, but I found myself not using it much on Gold.
kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#10!3A46535!!34O53384!.F0EG9
Any heavy shotgun works fine. Especially lethal vs. Reapers/Collectors, peak damage vs. armor is through the roof.

KroSent atm I mainly use 2 variants. Both without incinerate, though that is also a good choice. On host w/ good connection I really like the full melee build with a Crusader:
kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#44!3B76575!1801575!22W53363!G.9A8G
but that is iffy with lag.

Variant 2 is a fairly typical Raider Grenadier build that actually may even get better with some lag due to the third Raider shot that is sometimes awarded:
kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#44!3406535!2847525!33W53363!E.99EG
 
 

[Chief Capo]

Deerber wrote...

Most underrated: QFE/Vorcha Sentinel
Most overrated: Paladin/Valkyrie
Best overall: DrellGod of course.

Also, the Juggernaut is not a character, it's a piece of shiet.

So.... I take it you're that guy using Geth Juggernaut getting downed more than your glass cannon teammates? 

Modifié par Chief Capo, 30 novembre 2013 - 04:48 .

[Peer of the Empire]

Krodept is http://kalence.drupa...595!..X5!EG8.GG

[Kislitsin]

Chief Capo wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Most underrated: QFE/Vorcha Sentinel
Most overrated: Paladin/Valkyrie
Best overall: DrellGod of course.

Also, the Juggernaut is not a character, it's a piece of shiet.

So.... I take it you're that guy using Geth Juggernaut getting downed more than your glass cannon teammates? 

No, he probably is the guy who doesn't need cyclonics4 on everything to stay alive, or who knows how to use RHA and what "situational awareness" means. Or knows something bout team synergy, spawns and wave budget. 

Juggie, even "offensive built" is a total POS. It looks stupid, blocks your LOS, draws unnessesary aggro, can't move fast enough even with AM3.  Siege pulse spam is annoying, causes a lot of screenshake and the sound is annoying. He has no team synergy wathsoever, though people who play juggernouts hardly ever think bout their team. 

Modifié par Kislitsin, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:48 .

[the_last_krogan]

all the characters kick ass
whats wrong with the juggernaut whats wrong with a character that can tank platinum waves ...

[TopTrog]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Krodept is http://kalence.drupa...595!..X5!EG8.GG

That looks great - should give him really a unique feel and I can see it fitting aggressive play just fine :-). Thanks a lot, I´ll definitely give this one a spin !

[Deerber]

Kislitsin wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Most underrated: QFE/Vorcha Sentinel
Most overrated: Paladin/Valkyrie
Best overall: DrellGod of course.

Also, the Juggernaut is not a character, it's a piece of shiet.

So.... I take it you're that guy using Geth Juggernaut getting downed more than your glass cannon teammates? 

No, he probably is the guy who doesn't need cyclonics4 on everything to stay alive, or who knows how to use RHA and what "situational awareness" means. Or knows something bout team synergy, spawns and wave budget. 

Juggie, even "offensive built" is a total POS. It looks stupid, blocks your LOS, draws unnessesary aggro, can't move fast enough even with AM3.  Siege pulse spam is annoying, causes a lot of screenshake and the sound is annoying. He has no team synergy wathsoever, though people who play juggernouts hardly ever think bout their team. 

Thanks for saving me the hassle of putting the Puggernaut in his place 

[Kislitsin]

And the most overrated (on BSN), underrated (in PUGs) and the best overall (for me) character is a Turian Sentinel.

[iOnlySignIn]

Most Underrated by PUGs: QME (Gold), DAI (Platinum)

Most Underrated by BSN: N7 Shadow

Most Overrated by PUGs: Juggernaut, TGI

Most Overrated by BSN: Volus Vanguard

Best: GI

Favorite: HFE (Gold), SI (Platinum), DAI (Gold and Platinum)

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:03 .

[Chief Capo]

Kislitsin wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Most underrated: QFE/Vorcha Sentinel
Most overrated: Paladin/Valkyrie
Best overall: DrellGod of course.

Also, the Juggernaut is not a character, it's a piece of shiet.

So.... I take it you're that guy using Geth Juggernaut getting downed more than your glass cannon teammates? 

No, he probably is the guy who doesn't need cyclonics4 on everything to stay alive, or who knows how to use RHA and what "situational awareness" means. Or knows something bout team synergy, spawns and wave budget. 

Juggie, even "offensive built" is a total POS. It looks stupid, blocks your LOS, draws unnessesary aggro, can't move fast enough even with AM3.  Siege pulse spam is annoying, causes a lot of screenshake and the sound is annoying. He has no team synergy wathsoever, though people who play juggernouts hardly ever think bout their team. 

So, The Juggernaut that takes all the damage from bosses , Lets their teammates score , Hardly ever thinks about their team? Mmm .. What are they doing all that for then? Sh*ts and giggles? Guess that other guy was right when he said jugg'ing really was a thankless job especially to people like you.

And it .... Looks, Stupid?

Lol, That's you're big diss? it looks stupid? There are plenty of characters that look stupid in the game, that .. has nothing .. to do with it ..

Team ... Synergy? Doesn't synergy mean cooperation ? So you're saying by mob controlling, and tanking damage, And KEEPING THE TEAM ALIVE AND BLOCKED WITH HEX SHIELD  it's not cooperating with the team? or do you mean it doesn't cause explosions that the team primes?.. idk what you mean by that. Cause the siege pulse / turret can still prime / trigger primed explosions (The Siege Triggers the Turret can prime for others tech bursts)

But that doesn't matter, a tac scan char working with a juggernaut would be pretty decent too.

And it has Hex shield ... Don't go and say "But I can't shoot through the hex shield !" No, you're just lazy, move to the side, and shoot. it's keeping you from dying.

If it's that serious, put drill rounds or penetration  mod on it, silly.

The only downside of the juggy would be its speed.

Modifié par Chief Capo, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:39 .

[thegamefreek78648]

Under rated?

I would think the Human Soldier, AR speced right and alliance training, it will see you do 200% base weapon damage. Go for a short duration AR with shield boosting (not bonus power) and a high cool down bonus % and you can pop it every few seconds, reloading your weapon, keeping your dps high, recharging your shields and in general wrecking everything at medium to long range.

Overrated?

A tie between Geth juggernaught and Destoryer soldier.
When those two are used properly they are wrecking balls sure, but I have seen them missused so many times.  There seems to be a thought that those two characters are win buttons.

Modifié par thegamefreek78648, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:40 .

[Kislitsin]

Chief Capo wrote...
 

Why it has a poor team synergy? Well:

- Turret can be somewhat helpful with shields restoration, but it unwilligly provokes phantoms and (worse) praetorians to deploy they bubbles. Flamer of the turret obscure vision, not as much as scrub-gt's flamer, but still, neverthelles damn thing doesn't even prime armor reliably. So I wouldn't say that turret is only beneficient to the team.

- Hex shield is like a duration cloak, it's only useful for bad placed device. In all other circumstances it's just an obstacle. I don't need your shield, nor does another semi-decent teammate, we have an RHA.
I don't care about LoF blockage, as I use most of my characters as a weapon platforms with either piercing mode or AP ammo, but my human adept gets mad about shield for reasons (he still has a claymoar to deal with shield, but he counts every shot/cooldown).

- Siege Pulse - yep, good detonator, good damage dealer, but has an annoying sound, on a lot of plat waves it's difficult to diffirentiate friendly juggie vs prime behind your back (I like to use sound clues). Not to mention screenshake. And it's extreme force is not a good thing, can't count how many times the phantom who is about to die from biotic combo/headshot has been blown away by the siege pulse, down to 1-2 healthbars BUT alive, and invisible.
  If I want tech-detonator on a team I prefer CS/Overload spammer, or a vanguard.

- If it dies (no matter how well played) it dies in the boss-mob, so picking-up is problematic, bad juggie will bleed out, good juggie will gel - ops - rocket (and somebody on his team will get a ninja spawn, unless campers).
If I died in a "safe place" and resisted rage-gellin urge, I still better spend gel than wait for my Juggy teammate, cuz he will run to me aproxximately an hour and will have half the wave budget on his tail. But I usually rage gel anyway.

- Objectives with juggie... well played juggie can draw an enemy from the device (as any well-played kit can) but escorts and hacks with him... I prefer jugernout out of the circle, especially during scion's aerial bombardment. And he is the last to deliver the pizza (even without pizza-run).

Modifié par Kislitsin, 01 décembre 2013 - 05:53 .

[KevTheGamer]

Overrated: TGI. He's good but pretty much everyone is good.
Underrated: Volus Sentinel If you are good at the game you can do well with this guy,
Best Character: None they are all good but my favorite character is either the Fem Quarian Engineer or the Volus Vanguard

[SlimJim0725]

Overrated: Geth Juggernaut. He is so slow he is nearly useless on certain objectives, can only manage a revive if close to someone meaning no sprint to save a teammate, has an extremely annoying power in Hex Shield that gets in the way more than it helps, and only bad players need a Juggernaut to draw aggro for them.

Underrated: Krogan Warlord. A well played one is nearly invincible and a pure powerhouse at that. Only drawback is that the hump makes it difficult to see at times. I prefer him with the Graal to one shot Phantoms on host.

Best: Hard to say. Geth Infiltrator, Turian Ghost Infiltrator, N7 Fury, Drell Adept, Quarian Male Engineer, Drell Vanguard, Asari Vanguard, Turian Soldier, Batarian Soldier, Krogan Soldier, and Geth Trooper are all extremely good (sure I didn't include all of them either). Any one of these kits can just destroy in the right hands.

[satchel]

TSent is best

[Deerber]

Chief Capo wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Most underrated: QFE/Vorcha Sentinel
Most overrated: Paladin/Valkyrie
Best overall: DrellGod of course.

Also, the Juggernaut is not a character, it's a piece of shiet.

So.... I take it you're that guy using Geth Juggernaut getting downed more than your glass cannon teammates? 

No, he probably is the guy who doesn't need cyclonics4 on everything to stay alive, or who knows how to use RHA and what "situational awareness" means. Or knows something bout team synergy, spawns and wave budget. 

Juggie, even "offensive built" is a total POS. It looks stupid, blocks your LOS, draws unnessesary aggro, can't move fast enough even with AM3.  Siege pulse spam is annoying, causes a lot of screenshake and the sound is annoying. He has no team synergy wathsoever, though people who play juggernouts hardly ever think bout their team. 

So, The Juggernaut that takes all the damage from bosses , Lets their teammates score , Hardly ever thinks about their team? Mmm .. What are they doing all that for then? Sh*ts and giggles? Guess that other guy was right when he said jugg'ing really was a thankless job especially to people like you.

And it .... Looks, Stupid?

Lol, That's you're big diss? it looks stupid? There are plenty of characters that look stupid in the game, that .. has nothing .. to do with it ..

Team ... Synergy? Doesn't synergy mean cooperation ? So you're saying by mob controlling, and tanking damage, And KEEPING THE TEAM ALIVE AND BLOCKED WITH HEX SHIELD  it's not cooperating with the team? or do you mean it doesn't cause explosions that the team primes?.. idk what you mean by that. Cause the siege pulse / turret can still prime / trigger primed explosions (The Siege Triggers the Turret can prime for others tech bursts)

But that doesn't matter, a tac scan char working with a juggernaut would be pretty decent too.

And it has Hex shield ... Don't go and say "But I can't shoot through the hex shield !" No, you're just lazy, move to the side, and shoot. it's keeping you from dying.

If it's that serious, put drill rounds or penetration  mod on it, silly.

The only downside of the juggy would be its speed.

I hate to say this, but... Learn to play, Capo.

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Overrated: Almost every Infiltrator and Vanguard

Underrated: All the Ex-Cerberus characters, Krogan Warlord

Best Overall: Geth Juggernaut.  To me, anyone who hates this character is most likely upset that the juggs always steal the kills with dat Siege Pulse while providing invaluable support to the teammates with Hex Shields and Geth Drones. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

See above.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

If playing with juggys is actually a problem for you, then you need to L2P.

Seriously, juggys aren't that bad. If you stuggle when they're in the team, the problem is you, not the juggy. It's been nine months, get over it, already, they're just a kit like any other.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 01 décembre 2013 - 02:18 .

[Deerber]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

If playing with juggys is actually a problem for you, then you need to L2P.

Seriously, juggys aren't that bad. If you stuggle when they're in the team, the problem is you, not the juggy. It's been nine months, get over it, already, they're just a kit like any other.

Uhm... Are you talking to me?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Deerber wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

If playing with juggys is actually a problem for you, then you need to L2P.

Seriously, juggys aren't that bad. If you stuggle when they're in the team, the problem is you, not the juggy. It's been nine months, get over it, already, they're just a kit like any other.

Uhm... Are you talking to me?

I'm talking to everyone still complaining about Juggys after nine months. I love playing with them, and I have no problem working with them (or around them, if they're incompetent) just like every other PuG using a "crutch" kit. It's been long enough now so sort out how to react to their presence and powers, so I don't sympathize much with people who can't deal with having one in the game.

They work great offensively and defensively, it's a solid kit with a variety of effective offensive or support builds, and if you're going to PuG Gold and Platinum, then you seriously need to learn to deal with having them around, because it isn't going to change any time soon.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 01 décembre 2013 - 02:26 .

[Deerber]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

If playing with juggys is actually a problem for you, then you need to L2P.

Seriously, juggys aren't that bad. If you stuggle when they're in the team, the problem is you, not the juggy. It's been nine months, get over it, already, they're just a kit like any other.

Uhm... Are you talking to me?

I'm talking to everyone still complaining about Juggys after nine months. I love playing with them, and I have no problem working with them (or around them, if they're incompetent) just like every other PuG using a "crutch" kit. It's been long enough now so sort out how to react to their presence and powers, so I don't sympathize much with people who can't deal with having one in the game.

They work great offensively and defensively, it's a solid kit with a variety of effective offensive or support builds, and if you're going to PuG Gold and Platinum, then you seriously need to learn to deal with having them around, because it isn't going to change any time soon.

Good, then you're not talking to me, as I never complain about them and I have no problem playing with them. I mean they're annoying, but I can get over it.

All I'm saying is that it's a ****ty character, and the only place where we disagree is the bolded part.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Deerber wrote...

Jeremiah12Lgeek wrote...

They work great offensively and defensively, 

Good, then you're not talking to me, as I never complain about them and I have no problem playing with them. I mean they're annoying, but I can get over it.

All I'm saying is that it's a ****ty character, and the only place where we disagree is the bolded part.

Then you don't understand the kit, or its mechanics very well. Even I can get solid offense out of a Juggy, and I'm far from an aggressive, offensive player. Then there's all of the brilliant Juggy play I've seen.

I've had some of my fastest, most successful PuGs with three Juggys on the team. As I said, after nine months, if you don't know what it can do, the problem isn't the Juggy.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 01 décembre 2013 - 02:37 .

[Astfgl66]

Disclaimer: from a new player perspective

Underrated: Human Engineer (Firexplosions everywhere)
Overrated: GT, while it is a great kit i don't think it lives up to its hype. Or i could just not have seen a great player with it.
Best: The one i like the most: Human engi (female): i love that kit, overload plus incinerate , and the drone keeps me company. I almost only play this kit (with hints of qfe) on gold (except when in a biotic heavy team, then i switch to my vanilla human adept in order to join the biotic explosions fun).

I quite like the juggy, had encounters with both very bad and awesome juggys and when he does his job he's an awesome ally to have around. But then every kit is like this right?

[Deerber]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Then you don't understand the kit, or its mechanics very well. Even I can get solid offense out of a Juggy, and I'm far from an aggressive, offensive player. Then there's all of the brilliant Juggy play I've seen.

I've had some of my fastest, most successful PuGs with three Juggys on the team. As I said, after nine months, if you don't know what it can do, the problem isn't the Juggy.

You know, I think I know pretty well what a Juggy can, and cannot do.

It can definitely tank the entire field, and it can dish out a decent amount of damage (on par with all the other low-end characters) when he's actually nearby the enemies.

What it definitely cannot do, on the other hand, is reach the spawns in a timely way. It doesn't matter how good you are at spawn predicting, and how many adrenaline IIIs you have: unless you mod your game, the Juggy will be the last one to reach the spawn. Which, if you play with good players, usually means it won't get to kill basically anything.

So you see, if you play with a good team and not with N7 50 pugs, a Juggernaut will be the player that dishes out the least offense and that contributes the least to the game's speed, at least on average. That's not my opinion, it's a direct consequence of the fact that the Juggy is the least mobile character in this game.

Of course, a good player playing a Juggernaut will always be able to dish out more damage than a new player using another kit, so the fact that you had your fastest pugs with 3 Juggies on the team just means that you happened to bump into the best pugs you've met when they were using Juggies. Nothing strange there. But if those players were to play 3 different characters, among any of the others, chances are that the game would have been quite faster.