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[Leland Gaunt]

Rotward wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

And lol at the Collector Adept and Talon being underrated.

People play other adepts. Thus, the collector adept is underrated. 

Pugs are not people. They're little doggies. They can't help it.

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 01 décembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Rotward]

You're taking me way too seriously

I'd say that the turian saboteur is underrated. I love that kit. Infiltrator kits as a whole are overrated on the BSN. My fav kit recently became the ex-cerb vanguard.

[LemurFromTheId]

bgsam1990 wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Juggernauts are simply too slow to keep up with other kits played by reasonably good players.

But the enjoyment in watching players freak out when they mistake your deep-red colored siege-pulse spamming juggernaut for a prime is priceless. I'd play a juggernaut for that sole reason. 

I've even had a game when a pug used a missile on me in a plat game vs. geth. So much win!

Best reason to play a Jugg that I've heard so far!

[Garrus1138]

Most underrated: QME and Human Engineer

Most overrated: TGI

Characters with work best for me at the moment: AIU, GI, QME and KroSol

[Wizard of Ox]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Rotward wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

And lol at the Collector Adept and Talon being underrated.

People play other adepts. Thus, the collector adept is underrated. 

Pugs are not people. They're little doggies. They can't help it.

This is beautiful… 

[Chief Capo]

Deerber wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Most underrated: QFE/Vorcha Sentinel
Most overrated: Paladin/Valkyrie
Best overall: DrellGod of course.

Also, the Juggernaut is not a character, it's a piece of shiet.

So.... I take it you're that guy using Geth Juggernaut getting downed more than your glass cannon teammates? 

No, he probably is the guy who doesn't need cyclonics4 on everything to stay alive, or who knows how to use RHA and what "situational awareness" means. Or knows something bout team synergy, spawns and wave budget. 

Juggie, even "offensive built" is a total POS. It looks stupid, blocks your LOS, draws unnessesary aggro, can't move fast enough even with AM3.  Siege pulse spam is annoying, causes a lot of screenshake and the sound is annoying. He has no team synergy wathsoever, though people who play juggernouts hardly ever think bout their team. 

So, The Juggernaut that takes all the damage from bosses , Lets their teammates score , Hardly ever thinks about their team? Mmm .. What are they doing all that for then? Sh*ts and giggles? Guess that other guy was right when he said jugg'ing really was a thankless job especially to people like you.

And it .... Looks, Stupid?

Lol, That's you're big diss? it looks stupid? There are plenty of characters that look stupid in the game, that .. has nothing .. to do with it ..

Team ... Synergy? Doesn't synergy mean cooperation ? So you're saying by mob controlling, and tanking damage, And KEEPING THE TEAM ALIVE AND BLOCKED WITH HEX SHIELD  it's not cooperating with the team? or do you mean it doesn't cause explosions that the team primes?.. idk what you mean by that. Cause the siege pulse / turret can still prime / trigger primed explosions (The Siege Triggers the Turret can prime for others tech bursts)

But that doesn't matter, a tac scan char working with a juggernaut would be pretty decent too.

And it has Hex shield ... Don't go and say "But I can't shoot through the hex shield !" No, you're just lazy, move to the side, and shoot. it's keeping you from dying.

If it's that serious, put drill rounds or penetration  mod on it, silly.

The only downside of the juggy would be its speed.

I hate to say this, but... Learn to play, Capo.

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

Overrated: Almost every Infiltrator and Vanguard

Underrated: All the Ex-Cerberus characters, Krogan Warlord

Best Overall: Geth Juggernaut.  To me, anyone who hates this character is most likely upset that the juggs always steal the kills with dat Siege Pulse while providing invaluable support to the teammates with Hex Shields and Geth Drones. 

See above.

You've never even seen me play, you're assuming sh*t because I'm defending your little hated class. You probably suck with it anyways, Thats why you hate it. But I don't use The JUGG, just defending it's honor.

Anyways, anyone that has played with me on BSN knows how good I am. I host Pugs on Platinum Everyday ..
If not, Turn on the 360, Add me, And lets do it. I'll show you that I know how to play

Modifié par Chief Capo, 01 décembre 2013 - 07:27 .

[Kislitsin]

Chief Capo

You've never even seen me play, you're assuming sh*t because I'm defending your little hated class. You probably suck with it anyways, Thats why you hate it. But I don't use The JUGG, just defending it's honor.

Anyways, anyone that has played with me on BSN knows how good I am. I host Pugs on Platinum Everyday ..
If not, Turn on the 360, Add me, And lets do it. I'll show you that I know how to play

I wish you was on PC, cuz it smells like thunderdome. 

But if you are so pro, why you no record thunderdome solo wwith your beloved jugg?

Modifié par Kislitsin, 01 décembre 2013 - 07:41 .

[LuckyBullet95]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

You've got be trolling. Also Geth Juggernaut doesn't have a Geth Drone... Geth Drones aren't even a thing.

Sorry, Geth Turret.

OT:
Overrated: Geth Juggernaut. It's outsurvived by Infiltrators, Vanguards, Krogans, Batarians and Volus . . .

So you're writing that a character which has:

• The highest health and shield ratings in the MP game
• A melee power that concurrently rechanges shields
• A shield power that can be upgraded to be the size of an Atlas along with having the ability to also disable and damage enemies when passing through it
• Immunity to sync kills
• Immunity to stun
• An offensive power that can be evolved to provide damage protection
• A turret which can be evolved to provide shield bonuses to teammates
• A Hardened Platform evolution that can buff the damage of teammates

. . . is the one with a lesser rate of survivability than the ones you mentioned? 

It seems to me that you are the one who's trolling.  

Health and shields aren't everything, i-frames, DR, mobility and DPS all influence whether or not a class can survive. The Juggy is outperformed in every regard. The melee only gives shields because it requires you to remain static out in the open, taking fire from all directions whilst you do ****** poor damage over time. In the time it's taken the Juggy to kill one Phantom a Geth, Cabal, Krogan, Batarian, Shadow, Slayer or Sabo kit could have cleared the room of most things (and in the Warlord and GIs case everything). A shield that usually ends up being detrimental to every but the Juggy, a shield that is bugged as far as grenades go and a shield that doesn't protect against AoE explosions. Also the shield is far from one of the most effective form of stunning, they would be Overload, Proxy Mine and Arc Grenades. Sync kill immunity doesn't aid survivability.

You have sync kill immunity because you're speed dictates that you cannot avoid Phantom or Banshee sync kills, sync kills are easily avoidable with the exception of wallhacking Banshees or Phantoms priming themselves off-screen (usually on a Juggy come to think of it...). Stunlock is far from the issue it once was. Sure Combat Drones can sometimes catch you out in an open field but there's no other real source of stunlock (save Ops Packing through a Scion grenade barrage). Seige Pulse is far from the only DR granting power, and also not the best. To reach the DR capabilities of armour powers you need to spec fully into number of pulses and DR. And then you need to wearing like said armour ability but without the bonuses. Even a full damage spec Siege Pulse pales in comparison to most detonator powers like it. There's no truly happy medium between DR and damage on Siege Pulse especially given the mechanics for use...

A situational turret and a situational evolution. The turret, to be used defensively, requires you to be shield gated whilst inside the turrets radius at the exact point in time in which the turret replenishes shields. Which is of little use to... anyone actually. Not even the Juggy. Not even the Geth Engineer come to think of it. As for Hardened Platform it only buffs teammates.. and even then they need to shadow the Juggy... which is counter productive. Any damage bonus the Destroyer gets from standing inside the Juggy Circle of Situational Usefulness is overshadowed by both the damage bonuses the Destroyer gets anyways and the fact that the enemies would already be dead if he wasn't needing to hump the Juggernauts leg. The evolution is only real useful durnig Escorts and Hacks... or at least would be if the Juggy was in the circle for the first half of the objective... and if it wasn't for the fact that the damage output doesn't actually help in those objectives. Either the enemy is close enough that you are missiling or dancing around them OR far enough away that the damage bonus is of little use.

The Juggy is overrated because everything that the Juggy would bring to the
table in any given match is either not needed because a better kit is
tearing up the enemy or wouldn't be required if the guy that picked the
Juggy had picked ANYTHING ELSE. Having a Juggy means one less
detonator, one less player headshotting, one less primer or one less
grenadier. Kits that actually would make the game go quicker and
usually more smoothly. The Juggy has never been essential in Platinum,
hence why it came out after, and has never really been as big a help as
people like you believe them to be. A game with a GI, GT, QMI, QME, Destroyer, SI, TSol, HSol, Drell. Talon, TGI, AIU or Krogan Vanguard will go far more quickly and far more smoothly than a game with a Juggy.

[Rotward]

Arguing that the juggernaut is bad is like saying that gold is harder than platinum. It might satisfy your ego, but it's as transparent as a pair of lululemon athletica yoga pants.

Modifié par Rotward, 01 décembre 2013 - 08:37 .

[Chief Capo]

Kislitsin wrote...

Chief Capo

You've never even seen me play, you're assuming sh*t because I'm defending your little hated class. You probably suck with it anyways, Thats why you hate it. But I don't use The JUGG, just defending it's honor.

Anyways, anyone that has played with me on BSN knows how good I am. I host Pugs on Platinum Everyday ..
If not, Turn on the 360, Add me, And lets do it. I'll show you that I know how to play

I wish you was on PC, cuz it smells like thunderdome. 
But if you are so pro, why you no record thunderdome solo wwith your beloved jugg?

Uh... No.

Modifié par Chief Capo, 01 décembre 2013 - 10:22 .

[lightswitch]

Most underrated: Geth Engineer
Most overrated: Juggernaut
Best overall: GI

[MuKen]

I don't want to say "underrated" because that would imply people think he's bad. But I will say the MQI is one of the most overlooked classes in the game, in that people don't see his full potential.

People think he's just another infiltrator. This couldn't be further from the truth. Thanks to Tac Scan cloak cancelling, he can cycle his cloak faster than any other infiltrator by a fair margin, making him exceptionally good with single-shot weapons. Built right, he can put out higher DPS with the javelin than a GI due to rate of fire overruling the loss of geth bonuses.

Add in arc grenades, one of the best crowd-handling weapons out there, and the fact that his constant tac scan spamming gives everybody geth vision for free, and he's among the top end of infiltrators.

Modifié par MuKen, 01 décembre 2013 - 08:33 .

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Deerber wrote...

Of course, a good player playing a Juggernaut will always be able to dish out more damage than a new player using another kit, so the fact that you had your fastest pugs with 3 Juggies on the team just means that you happened to bump into the best pugs you've met when they were using Juggies. Nothing strange there. But if those players were to play 3 different characters, among any of the others, chances are that the game would have been quite faster.

I disagree with a lot of things you said, but the bulk of that paragraph most of all.

Your suggestion that the simplest explanation is that I "got lucky" with the "best pugs you've met" is "nothing strange" is silly. You are familiar with Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is that there's nothing wrong with the Juggernaut, and that you have a confirmation bias.

For the first few months, the Juggernaut was new, and people loved and hated it for a lot of reasons, most of them reflective of ignorance of how the kit fit in, role-wise, and how its powers could be used offensively. In the months since then, most of us have worked out that the kit is extremely powerful and versatile, and the many ways that it is. Look back at the threads from the first few months of ME 3 MP, and see what some of the most knowledgable players were saying about the kits back then - they were somewhat clueless about how they really worked, because it takes time for the knowledge base to expand - but it did expand, and when it comes to the Juggy, you got left behind.

In any case, my issue was with you telling people who made legitimite points about the Juggernaut's strengths that they need to "L2P." There were plenty of valid statements that you simply dismissed. I know that it's commonplace for people to do that around here, but I don't ignore it if the person that does it is actually intelligent, because I assume that I can get that person to actually listen.

Which is why I called you on it. Do with it what you will.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 01 décembre 2013 - 08:57 .

[heybigmoney]

Turian Havoc is extremely underrated. His weapon dmg is just as high if not higher in some cases than n7 destroyer and human soldier.

Modifié par heybigmoney, 01 décembre 2013 - 10:24 .

[Chief Capo]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Having a Juggy means one less
detonator, one less player headshotting, one less primer or one less
grenadier. Kits that actually would make the game go quicker and
usually more smoothly. The Juggy has never been essential in Platinum,
hence why it came out after, and has never really been as big a help as
people like you believe them to be. 

Cool wall of text m8.  

Anyway, I just want to correct a few things that you wrote:

• Siege Pulse can detonate for Cryo Explosions, Tech Bursts, and Fire Explosions
  
• Hex Shields can prime for Tech Bursts
  
• Geth Turrets with the Flamethrower evolution can prime and detonate for Fire Explosions
  
• Anything with a gun in its hand can shoot enemies in the head

Also, many of the arguements you put forth against the GJ are conditional and can also be applied to the other characters that you have mentioned.  If I can, I will get around to engaging them later.  Or not.

+1

Modifié par Chief Capo, 01 décembre 2013 - 10:14 .

[Kalas Magnus]

so juggs is underrated

[Kalas Magnus]

MuKen wrote...

I don't want to say "underrated" because that would imply people think he's bad. But I will say the MQI is one of the most overlooked classes in the game, in that people don't see his full potential.

People think he's just another infiltrator. This couldn't be further from the truth. Thanks to Tac Scan cloak cancelling, he can cycle his cloak faster than any other infiltrator by a fair margin, making him exceptionally good with single-shot weapons. Built right, he can put out higher DPS with the javelin than a GI due to rate of fire overruling the loss of geth bonuses.

Add in arc grenades, one of the best crowd-handling weapons out there, and the fact that his constant tac scan spamming gives everybody geth vision for free, and he's among the top end of infiltrators.

wat

i thought everyone liked mqi
he is just too ez to play. cloak>spam nades>win

[Maurader Sackboy]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...  The Juggy is outperformed in every regard. .... In the time it's taken the Juggy to kill one Phantom a Geth, Cabal, Krogan, Batarian, Shadow, Slayer or Sabo kit could have cleared the room of most things ...

You picked a bad example here Lucky!  The Juggy's ability to capture and squeeze Phantoms in a few seconds is unrivaled (except perhaps by Acolyte or Venom launchings)!  Plus, I find the character very handy when I'm running low on gels/ops packs -- he rarely needs them.

[Chief Capo]

Matter of fact, All the Juggernaut is really lacking is Speed.
Yet speed doesn't matter in his kits case.
And i'll stick with that.

Hes the ultimate crowd controller, Ultimateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tank, only thing he's lacking is speed.

Funny how if he was as fast as other characters or had a sprint, People would regard him much higher than they do here.

Modifié par Chief Capo, 02 décembre 2013 - 12:16 .

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Chief Capo wrote...

Matter of fact, All the Juggernaut is really lacking is Speed.
Yet speed doesn't matter in his kits case.
And i'll stick with that.

Hes the ultimate crowd controller, Ultimateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tank, only thing he's lacking is speed.

Funny how if he was as fast as other characters or had a sprint, People would regard him much higher than they do here.

Nice edit, guy.

Modifié par FatherOfPearl, 02 décembre 2013 - 12:19 .

[Sailears]

MuKen wrote...

I don't want to say "underrated" because that would imply people think he's bad. But I will say the MQI is one of the most overlooked classes in the game, in that people don't see his full potential.

People think he's just another infiltrator. This couldn't be further from the truth. Thanks to Tac Scan cloak cancelling, he can cycle his cloak faster than any other infiltrator by a fair margin, making him exceptionally good with single-shot weapons. Built right, he can put out higher DPS with the javelin than a GI due to rate of fire overruling the loss of geth bonuses.

Add in arc grenades, one of the best crowd-handling weapons out there, and the fact that his constant tac scan spamming gives everybody geth vision for free, and he's among the top end of infiltrators.

This is a very good point - the male quarian infiltrator is very powerful but definitely overlooked because of the company he is in.

[Simba501]

GI is overrated.

[Max Dmian]

Chief Capo wrote...

Matter of fact, All the Juggernaut is really lacking is Speed.
Yet speed doesn't matter in his kits case.
And i'll stick with that.

Hes the ultimate crowd controller, Ultimateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tank, only thing he's lacking is speed.

Funny how if he was as fast as other characters or had a sprint, People would regard him much higher than they do here.

But he isn't.

[Chief Capo]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Chief Capo wrote...

Matter of fact, All the Juggernaut is really lacking is Speed.
Yet speed doesn't matter in his kits case.
And i'll stick with that.

Hes the ultimate crowd controller, Ultimateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tank, only thing he's lacking is speed.

Funny how if he was as fast as other characters or had a sprint, People would regard him much higher than they do here.

Nice edit, guy.

Thank you, After all, I Realized there was no fixing that guys post, Since it was so dead wrong.