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[Ieldra]

There is another thread about which game does the best portrayal, but I think focusing on single scenes may give a better picture. After all, there are great scenes in ME3 as well as excessively bad ones, and to a lesser degree, it's the same with the previous games. So here's the question: in which scenes did you feel your Shepard, as you wanted to play them, acknowledged best, and in which ones worst?

Here are my candidates:

THE BEST:

*1: Liara's visit to the Normandy in ME2/Lair of the Shadow Broker, maleShep version.
For the first time, Shepard could express their feelings on the whole situation, and I got the option to express my  frustration. So perfectly on spot! And then, the icing on the cake. "What are you fighting for? The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms Lawson?" Well, Liara, did you read my mind? That's what it is all about for my main maleShep, in more ways than one! The response was more lukewarm than I'd have liked, but I could answer in the affirmative. Good!

*2: ME3/Citadel DLC casino scene with Miranda, femShep version.
"We'll never be anything other than trouble-shooting space divas." What can I say. That's how my main femShep feels and what she finds her purpose in with no regrets at all. That, and the close friendship with Miranda expressed in those lines. They feel like the soulmates I always felt they were, which the rest of ME3 didn't allow me to express. (but why the hell has Shepard to die - I can't choose Destroy, I just can't - such a scene and then no future - ME3, you sacrificed too much)

*3: ME3/Post-Sanctuary scene with Javik on the Normandy
This is when you talk about memories and the echo shard. This got me thinking. Reflexively, I tend to say "of course I want to remember", but it's easy to say that here, sitting in my comfortable chair with not a single day of war memories in my head. Would this Shepard want to remember? It is a character-defining decision, and one of the few I didn't make without hesitation. In the end he would - one of the rare instances where ME3 gave me an excellent roleplaying option.

Edit: 
I just noticed these three best scenes are all from DLC. What does that say about the main games?


THE WORST:

*1: Thane's death scene in ME3
You know, I love this scene. It has such a great mood, and Thane's religion has such beautiful imagery. It is an excellently crafted scene. Until the final line, when the unavoidable "You won't be alone long" pulls me out of the world and makes me ascend to the ceiling in rage. That is *not* my Shepard. In fact, that's indicative of everything they're not. I'm tempted to answer with Grand Cleric Elthina: "Andraste did not volunteer for the flames!" And the damned implied mysticism just adds to the out-of-world and out-of-character feeling.

*2: The dreams in ME3
I'll take these as one. My Shepard does not feel any guilt over things they could've done nothing to prevent, and I won't let the game ascribe a guilt complex to them over things I passionately feel should not be emotionally relevant in that way. If there must be nightmares, let them be about things they actually did - killing Wrex, killing Mordin or suchlike. The vent kid has no business in this Shepard's dreams. The conscience of a saint was never part of this Shepard.

*3: The prologue in ME3
Oh the stupidity! My Shepard is a tactically-thinking and competent special forces officer, not a stupid grunt! "This isn't about strategy and tactics"? "The Citadel? The fight's here"? What is this about Bioware's attempts to make Shepard canonically stupid? I could excuse it if it was the only such instance, but then there is the...

*4: Scene on the Normandy after Priority:Thessia in ME3
A fine example of destroying my protagonist for the sake of drama. What the hell is this drama about? The loss of Thessia "wasn't on the table"? Oh the stupidity! Thessia was already lost when we arrived, there was nothing Shepard could've done. As if that wasn't enough, Shepard pans Joker for trying to lighten the mood. My Shepard would never, ever have done that! Why weren't there more options in these scenes?

*5: At the end of Arrival in ME2
"That's what humans do". Ugh. What's this? Yes, this Shepard is moderately pro-human (in a purely political, non-racist way, like saying you want more power for your country), but he also thinks that his species consists mostly of idiots. This is being stupid-pro-human. Nice foreshadowing of what's to come in ME3.

(Looking over this, I'm tempted to say ME3 is like TIM: the best and the worst of the ME trilogy, with the weight unfortunately favoring the worst in the end).

Edit:
Added #5 to the worst list because it has to be mentioned. Also, there are quite a few other examples I could mention, but if they're avoidable they don't count for me. "Asari can mate with their own species" and "I'll do without sacrificing the soul of our species" are among those. No matter that it cost me quite a few tries to find out how to avoid the latter, it is avoidable in the end, I'd take more issue with the writers assuming that this is what any Paragon Shepard would say.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:39 .

[Podge 90]

 (some of the) Worst

ME2 - Meeting the VS on Horizon - My Shep would....mount a sterner defence, shall we say, at being called a traitor.

ME2 - My Akuze-surviving Shepard would have had far harsher things to say to Jacob and Wilson other than snapping his fingers, folding his arms and unconvincingly stating he won't work with terrorists.

ME3 - pulling Joker up on his Thessia joke.

ME3 - Earth prologue - lol.

(some of the) Best

ME2 - the final conversation in ME2 with TIM where Shep can tell him to stick it - that was definitely more in line with my idea of Shepard, and was a nice finish after being so complicit with Cerberus operations throughout the game.

ME3 - OK we're all agreed how the defeat came about was laughable, but Shepard feeling the defeat of losing the data to Cerberus was in line with my thinking, however, I wish Bioware had gone further.  I wanted to see Shepard turning his quarters upside down.  That was really the point at which it felt like a losing battle.  If BW wanted us to believe the dreams with the kid, they should have been brave and depicted Shepard truly breaking.  If they insisted on taking away player agency, they should have disguised it through a veneer of Shepard himself losing control.

ME3 - My Shepard doesn't trust the Krogan, but knows he needs them onside, so would have sabotaged the cure.  I'm glad that option was there.

Modifié par Podge 90, 29 novembre 2013 - 11:06 .

[wright1978]

I do love the LOTSB Liara visit characterisation. I got to express that my shep's feelings regarding the return of the dogtags(no longer that Alliance soldier) & express what he was fighting for(like op it was The future of humanity, as evidenced by the perfect Ms Lawson).

It was a shame then that ME3 ignored it and had Liara trying it on with my Shep from moment 1 and his opinion about the Alliance flattened under the Alliance railroader.

Agree with OP's choice of most egregious ME3 moments. If i had to rank them the prologue wins hands down because it is simply so exceptionally & consistently atrocious. My Shep is stuck in a straight jacket & when he does say things they are the ilk of 'this isn't about strategy or tactics/the fight's here etc'. Did someone replace my shep's brain with a pea.

The dreams are a close second. Going inside the protaganist's head & saying how they are feeling is a no no imo. Showing a dream works in DAO because drinking tainted blood leads to dreams of the archdemon.

[LegioDamnatus]

 What was bad...

- The entire prologue. Loads of autodialogue, most of which makes Shep look like an utter moron ("We fight or we die!", "The citadel? The fight's here!"). An especially annoying point to me is Shep's inability to actually shoot back at Anderson's little speech about "the s*** you've done".  What Shep did was prevent the adbuction and liquification of thousands of human colonists.

- Thessia. It starts with the fact that Shep doesn't seem to care that the Asari in the temple had their throats slit. What kind of soldier simply ignores that?! Then Kai Leng shows up... and nobody opens fire at him. So then the fighting starts and we're doing pretty good despite the coward's gunship...

...and then the cutscene starts and everything goes to hell. The ninja wannabe throws our squad around because everyone forgot that guns are ranged weapons, Leng erects some kind of barrier and Shep fires five shots. Because throwing a grenade or using powers is clearly a concept too high for our great hero. Meanwhile, the squad takes their lunch break.

You know the rest, defeat, sadness, snapping at Joker, blah blah blah. At no point does Shep notice that, had the councilor come to him sooner, we could have avoided this god-forsaken mess!

...calm down, Legio, take a deep breath and refocus...

- After Thane dies, Shep's line "You won't be alone for long." Great. So now Shep is a god-forsaken Death Seeker. Awesome idea. Really, just awesome.

...I'll better stop with the negatives before I really start raging...

...and what was good.

- Omega DLC. When confronted by Petrovsky in the Reactor, I really loved the response of Engineer Shep: "Yeah, maybe if I were some regular grunt..:" Spoke it, and accomplished the goal without civilian casualties. That's the Shep I know and love.

I'll add more later.

Modifié par LegioDamnatus, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:07 .

[Obadiah]

My favorite character scene was in ME1. After Shepard got the Normandy he gave his speech to the crew. It was completely unexpected, could be incredibly tailored by each player in a way subsequent speeches were not, and immediately set the tone on who Shepard was and why he thought this mission was so important.

The worst scenes are Shep's breakdown scenes when the Normandy is put into lockdown in ME1, and he loses Thessia in ME3. ME3 Thessia is way worse than ME1 Normandy lockdown, but that kind of breakdown (can't answer the comm, and making angry/frustrated face on the floor) is just not how my Sheps would behave.

Just to reference Shepards, "You won't be alone for long," statement after Thane's death, I took that as Shep just respecting Thane's religion, not actually believing it. It was more a statement of comraderie.

Modifié par Obadiah, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:19 .

[wright1978]

LegioDamnatus wrote...

...and what was good.

- Omega DLC. When confronted by Petrovsky in the Reactor, I really loved the response of Engineer Shep: "Yeah, maybe if I were some regular grunt..:" Spoke it, and accomplished the goal without civilian casualties. That's the Shep I know and love.

I'll add more later.

I have to say from a characterisation point of view i largely enjoyed Omega as a dlc, with the notable exception of Shep's awful forced antagonistic auto-dialogue after sparing Petrovsky.

[Rasofe]

I'll ommit my Failshepard for this one. His most defining moments are too embarassing.

For MaleShepard Paragade Soldier:
Best -
1. Taking a stand for the dignity of all colonists and destroying the Collector base, even though it was against his beliefs of human dominance. "We earn it." Uncompromising to the core. Miranda was there too!
2. ME1 leaving the Council to die. It was time for a new world order, and working for a power that questioned every correct decision he'd made had put Shepard on an edge over the abyss. Dying in ME2 sent him over the abyss, and the short stories of all of ME2 are about Shepard regaining his faith in humanity as a powerful but also protective ideal, rising again to be Commander Shepard.
3. ME3 stand-off with the NegaShepard. This one doesn't need an explanation.
4. ME3 Citadel Miranda Romance scenes. All of them.
5. "I'm done arguing with you. Let's end this!"

Worst -
1. Deleting Maelon's data. Shepard was having a moment of impulsivity, objecting to the taint of the research and getting overly persuaded by Mordin's reasoning. On the one hand this was early in the playthrough and Shepard was still in his anger phase. On the other it justifiably gave Wrex the opportunity to chew him out.
2. Letting the Leviathan live. I didn't even have a choice there.
3. Allowing peace between the Geth and the Quarians. I did it because this was right after Leviathan and Bioware writing was daring me at this point to prove them wrong about peace lasting between synthetics and organics.
4. ME1 Liara trying to throttle Shepard with her mouth. Here is Shepard, he says no. Liara interprets it as a yes. So now she has to complain about Shepard and Miranda, while Shepard just takes it. Advice: to like Liara, play as a Femshep and romance Kaidan in the ME1. Then things never get this awkward.
5. Not arguing with the Catalyst properly. But that's true for almost everyone.

For FemShep Impulsive Infiltrator:
Best -
1. ME3 Omega. Killing Petrovsky after saving Omega from Aria's intended bloodbath shows that Femshep may be all about doing the right thing and equality for everyone, but she's still an assassin. If her job is to eliminate an enemy officer, that's what she will do.
2. A joint place between Tali's trial and SB standoff. Standing up for her best friends against injustice of law and authority is where a character like my Femshep really shines.
3. On Virmire, euthanising the indoctrinated Salarians. As in not doing so. Both Kaidan and Garrus were on the squad for that moment, and Femshep was about to kill them all. But Garrus and Kaidan both objected, since Femshep had taught Garrus how to be a good guy and was romancing Kaidan without trying to change him. It's impossible to have Shepard break both their hearts by doing exactly what she said they should never do. For her own conscience, she walked away.
4. All Garrus romance scenes. All of them.
5. The post-Thessia scene actually works really well for Femshep since the asari are basically her favourite race. I feel like my male Shepard should've reacted the same to Sanctuary, but at least Miranda was alive in that playthrough. Speaking of which.

Worst -
1. Miranda dies. Gunshot to the stomach. Bad writing on my part, moving on.
2. Feros. Okay, so I headcanon what happened by saying that Femshep didn't actually mow down the colonists but rather tried a stealthy approach that the Thorian reacted to by killing the colonists since they weren't knocked out. But if we take what happened at face worth, Femshep seriously brutalised a bunch of nearly-defenceless colonists.
3. Not getting a Kaidan vs Garrus stand-off in the end. Just pick one and the other forgetts about the relationship.... not good.
4. Saving Morinth. I'm not sure why she did that. May have been voices in her head after dying.
5. Not even injuring Javik for all the times he calls Liara something nasty.

That's about it.

Modifié par Rasofe, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[Linkenski]

 Every scene in ME3 is essentially bad at portraying a Shepard I've played in ME2. It might go well at first in the conversation but at some point the autodialogue always makes Shepard say something that I wouldn't have wanted him to, or he says something in a way or with an attitude that alienates me.

And I hate when you get dialogue options, where all of them make Shepard say something bad to the person he's talking to, like with TIM throughout ME2 and ME3 or with Joker after Thessia.

[Clayless]

"You're not alive, not really, you're just a machine. And machines can be broken."

I just mute the game at that point and pretend Shepard never said it.

[Linkenski]

But it's the truth dammit ^^

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 WORST --

3.) Taking Liara to Thessia -- ME3.

I'm not a pushover. When she asked to come along, my answer would/should have been "no." I didn't take her along on Noveria to confront her mother for a reason. It's the same reason I wouldn't bring her to Thessia, but alas, I'm forced to and have to endure her weep!fest. Sure, she probably would have gotten pissed at me for not letting her come, especially given the way things turn out, but I would have much rather dealt with that than what actually took place.

Liara should not have been forced on Eden Prime, either, but since I do that early she's the only choice anyway.


2.) Shepard: "I'm just a soldier Anderson (...)" -- ME3.

ME3 made me hate the word "soldier." Now, whenever I hear it, I hear: "soul-DURR." And no, Shepard, you are not just another soldier. A competent leader should be able to guage their value accurately. Someone who was asked to be SPECTRE, is more knowledgeable than anyone else on the Reaper menace, and led a sucide mission against a Reaper proxy is far, far more than "just a soldier." Just because Anderscum doesn't understand this and stupidly stays back on Earth to fight a pointless fight doesn't mean Shepard should be equally stupid, smh.


1.) Shepard, Cerberus Citadel Coup: shooting at Kai Leng... from the inside of the car -- ME3.

This has got to be the dumbest thing Shepard has ever done, and it's canon. Kai Leng jumps onto a skycar Shepard is driving, and Shepard tries to attack by shooting the windshield in front of him. This predictably does nothing but damage the glass; he's just lucky the broken pieces didn't end up damaging anyone's eyes. How dumb can you get??


BEST --

(tie) 3.) Omega DLC ending -- ME3; Leviathan "interrogation" -- ME3.

Both of these moments were intense, playing through them the first time: telling Aria to stand down to save Petrovsky, and squeezing the location of Leviathan out of an enthralled Ann Bryson. Oleg surrendered fairly and offered to cooperate, and I deemed it worthwhile, but I had to stand up to Aria (two renegade-interrupts) to do so. It pissed her off a bit, but, so be it. Oleg is thankful, though, to which Shepard can respond by saying, "I know my duty." Nicely done scene, IMO.

The Bryson/Leviathan interrogation was also similar. I was determined to find the Reaper-killer's location, so as much as James wanted to end the session, I pressed on until I got it. It's a nice display of "gutsy" out of Shepard.

2.) Jack combat-sim romance dialogue -- ME3.

Select "Absolutely." on the dialogue-wheel and take the paragon-interrupt. It's great because that's exactly how I would have wanted to react in this situation. Only thing, Meer's delivery of the first line is a bit lacking, but other than that...

1.) Garrus personal quest -- ME1.

If you try to arrest Saleon, he resists and you have to kill him. Garrus asks what was the point of even trying. Shepard (possibly) responds by saying something down the lines of ~ you can't control what others will do, only how you react to them. I liked that quote, and it epitomizes my Shepard nicely as a man who is 100% principle.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 29 novembre 2013 - 07:23 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Robosexual wrote...

"You're not alive, not really, you're just a machine. And machines can be broken."

I just mute the game at that point and pretend Shepard never said it.

You can also hit the spacebar right away - Shepard will only get out "You're not" and Sovereign then appears to interrupt. I do this with a few other scenes that make Shepard look dumb or excessively aggressive. For example, spacebarring through hacking the doors on Purgatory can make it look like the riot starts without Shepard doing anything.

[Jorji Costava]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

"You're not alive, not really, you're just a machine. And machines can be broken."

I just mute the game at that point and pretend Shepard never said it.

You can also hit the spacebar right away - Shepard will only get out "You're not" and Sovereign then appears to interrupt. I do this with a few other scenes that make Shepard look dumb or excessively aggressive. For example, spacebarring through hacking the doors on Purgatory can make it look like the riot starts without Shepard doing anything.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Jack's recruitment mission was always one of the more uncomfortable (and not in a good way) moments in the trilogy, especially if you're playing mostly Paragon.

As far as the best roleplaying moments, I'll actually go pick a scene from ME3; if you shoot Mordin and prevent him from curing the Genophage, Shepard throws his or her gun away in disgust afterwards. I suppose you won't like that if you're playing a more sociopathic Shepard, but for my character, I really appreciated that moment, because my Shepard would have felt really disgusted with himself after that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Best:

1) Zaeed explained his background to Colonist Shepard who responded "Vido has to die." I'd written a profile for Shepard. I'd thought about the 13 years between the Batarian raid on Mindoir and Torfan. I couldn't deny Zaeed his revenge.

2) Lair of the Shadow Broker: Post mission -- "Lots of blue babies." Shepard's getting tired of all this fighting. There's been no break except for being dead.

3) Javik with the echo shard -- She thought of Torfan.... "Let the dead rest."

4) Omega -- turning my back on Oleg as Aria extracts her revenge. The man was a bastard and got what he deserved.

Worst:

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" head desk.

2) Post Thessia w/ Joker -- Joker, that was the most lame assed thing to say. I nearly ****ing died (hanging on that piece of flooring). Cerberus was there. How they got there before us is a huge question. Oh that's right. Udina's office was a crime scene, being checked for ... bugs so we met in Udina's office instead of Tevos' office. (head desk - nice one Mac - another good is dumb) We lost the catalyst and may have lost the f***ing war. More commandos wouldn't have helped the Asari against 2 km tall ships you ass. They fought hard and they died. I wish I had better lines.

3) Shepard as a rule is as dumb as a rock. - That's not the way I envisioned Shepard. She's smart and she's a pragmatist. Unfortunately we rarely get that option.

4) Javik - Not being able to have a discussion with Javik that didn't sound like Shepard was kissing his ass, but I guess this falls under item 3.

5) Saving Joker at the beginning of ME2 - This was an idiotic thing, but I guess this also falls under item 3. Joker was given two orders. One from Shepard to Abandon Ship, and another from Kaidan to Abandon Ship. Captain doesn't go down with the ship gang. That only happens in "Romance Novels". If Joker was too stupid to get to his escape pod, consider it a Darwin Award. But we got railroaded.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 29 novembre 2013 - 08:13 .

[themikefest]

The best scenes portraying my femshep

letting the council die in ME1

making tha batarian drink his own posion

pushing the merc out the window

not hugging Tali on her  loyalty mission

not hugging T'soni in the shadow busted dlc

turning over the evidence to the Admirals of what Tali's father did

sabotaging the genephage and later shooting Wrex

watching Samara kill herself and then kill her daughter a moment later

watching the Quarians getting wiped out after siding with the Geth

not shaking Anerson's hand in London on the shuttle

not accepting T'soni's gift

letting TIM kill Anderson

letting Jack kill that guy on her loyalty mission

breaking the merc's neck on Miranda's loyalty mission

shooting the vase on Kasumi's loyalty mission


The worst scenes not potraying my femshep

the what the crap hug on Illum with T'soni

protecting T'soni from the desk that the shadow broker throws instead of the other squadmate

the whole Thessia crap. Saying sorry to the asari councillor was a load of crap.

the what the crap evac scene. She would never of called in the Normandy. She would keep running to the beam

allowing the robot to stay in its platform instead of throwing it out the airlock

saving Joker at the beginning of ME2

Modifié par themikefest, 29 novembre 2013 - 08:08 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Much the same as Ieldra and Mike.

I liked scenes that gave me a broad range of options for portraying my Shepard, and I hated scenes that railroaded him with dialogue or certain actions.

There's far too many to really name.

[RandomGuy96]

Best:

1. Punching Zaeed in the face and threatening to leave him to burn. Mostly because this was the Paragon choice; it showed that, although he was usually a nice guy, he was not a pushover, and would not accept unnecessary civilian casualties or insubordination.

2. Mass Effect 1 speech, right after gaining control of the Normandy.

3. Threatening to shoot down Ashley/Kaidan if he has to. Again, he's usually nice, but he WILL shoot in the face if it is for the benefit of the galaxy.

4. Yelling down Al-Jilani in ME2 about the ships he sacrificed to save the Council, saying that it was all worth it (since it was a matter of 2,400 human lives vs 10,000 alien ones) and revealing that he remembers every single cruiser lost. Far better than just punching her, which makes Shepard seem like an uneducated short tempered brute.

5. Just, in general, the way he will often take time out of his busy day to use his Spectre powers to make life a little easier for the downtrodden people in the streets, like getting the batarian religious artifacts, helping the quarian on the Citadel accused of theft,  chasing some thugs off of Dr. Michel, etc. 


(Honorable Mention): Picking Destroy.



Worst:

1. Mope-fest after Thessia. Not that he didn't care about the civilian casualties or anything, but seriously, the moping doesn't even make any sense; there's nothing he could've done to keep Thessia from falling, which wasn't the objective.

2. Just had to accept EDI instead of throwing it out of the airlock, then had to treat EDI with respect from that moment on out.

3. A LOT of what auto-dialogue/railroaded Shepard says about the geth (e.g. conversation with Tali in ME1, Rannoch peace speech).

4. Not throwing Miranda and Jack in prison, and being forced to treat them as old friends when he encounters them in the third game. Similarly, not objecting to Bailey's methods in ME2 and treating him as a friend in ME3.

5. "Goodbye Thane. You won't be alone for long."

(Honorarable Mention): Rolling over and accepting the Catalyst. This doesn't bother me quite as much as the other examples, since I can at least head-canon that my Shepard was just delirious from blood loss and mostly ignoring the Catalyst anyway. Which he showed by picking Destroy.

It's kind of hard narrowing to down to a top five, but I did so anyway. There are a lot of moments throughout the trilogy that just bugged the crap outta me.

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" head desk.

S/he.... s/he actually says this?

Modifié par RandomGuy96, 29 novembre 2013 - 10:32 .

[trenq]

Robosexual wrote...

"You're not alive, not really, you're just a machine. And machines can be broken."

I just mute the game at that point and pretend Shepard never said it.

the worst.
" We don't need admirals...we need.....architects"
" You mean Asari can have babies with each other"
-  Mass Effect 3; i wanted to laugh at Joker's joke, tell the turian councillor " oh yeah "reapers" "

best.
- Suicide mission speech.
- Defending Tali.
- " A chance to give Garrus some peace " -  " A chance to give Miss vas Normandy a homeworld" (Shadow broker.
- Defending Sidonis

[Daemul]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" 

Modifié par Daemul, 29 novembre 2013 - 09:17 .

[rekn2]

the best.

1.being able to finally communicate with the geth, me2 legion was amazing.

2. miranda talking up shep to TIM in the beginning.

3. miranda not giving shep any slack in the beginning. i feel comforted that she was in charge because of that.

4. the "relinquish your weapon/ 1 round at a time" scene.

5. being able to talk to edi in depth

worst.

1. me3 legion. Pinocchio

2. me3 edi, Pinocchio

3. deus ex machina of me3 ending.

4. visions of the kid i didnt care about...FFS that shouldve been the VS in the dream...

5. tha hatred of technology in me3.

6. the severe lack of being able to choose your path in me3...<--this 1 is broad but its over numerous scenes.

[JasonShepard]

Nice thread, Ieldra2.

Best:

ME1:
Virmire. Choosing between Ash and Kaidan was gut-wrenching for a Shepard who strives to save everyone. He'd done everything right, gone out of his way to assist the Salarian assault, and still he's forced to leave someone behind...
(In conversation with Ashley later, Shepard says that he promises himself that he'll do better next time. I consider his Everyone-Lives-Suicide-Mission to be the fulfilment of that promise.)

ME2:
End of LotSB, Liara: She asks Shepard to tell her how he really feels, not what he tells the crew to keep morale up and... my Shepard silently refuses, and tells her what he would tell the crew in order to keep morale up. (If that had been an Ashley or Garrus dialogue, I would have chosen the "frustrated" option. But Liara? No, I'm not dropping the mask for her. Even if she asks me to.)
Following this up with "I'm fighting for everyone," made this a perfect roleplaying opportunity.

The Arrival Object Rho fight. Rarely have things felt so desperate. I know this wasn't a scene, it was gameplay, but the mentality of "I'm going to fight even if I can't see an exit" fits my Shepard perfectly.

ME3:
Ashley's hospital scene, while she's still unconscious. It was nice for my Shepard to be able to express his more vulnerable side, even if it was to someone who wasn't able to hear him.

It was auto-dialogue, but fitted my Shepard just right: "They rebuilt Mindoir. It wasn't the same." on Eden Prime.

The farewells to Ash & Garrus in London. Shepard finally recites some poetry back at Ashley - charge of the light brigade being far too appropriate - and then: "Shepard and Vakarian storming heaven! I guess there are worse ways this could end."

The last two on this list will be a bit controversial:

The Control ending cinematic - just the cinematic itself, mind, not the Catalyst conversation beforehand:
Walking up to the console, Shepard drops his gun. For a choice made so that "No one else dies today", having Shepard drop a gun to the ground is almost beautiful.
Then seeing Shepard struggle to hold onto the console, being forced to his knees, but picking himself up through a sheer determination to see this through. And then his final thought is of Ashley. Just perfect.

The Dreams:
(Yes, the dreams are on my best list. Go ahead and sue me.)
It starts with Mindoir. Shepard views his younger, pre-Mindoir self as an entirely different person. What happened to that young Shepard was wrong - and Shepard has spent his life since fighting to stop anything similar happening again. As I mentioned above - he's determined to save everyone.
Vent-boy just happened to remind Shepard of his younger self, and being unable to save vent-boy reawoke some old scars. For my Shepard - and I realise that it only really applies for my Shepard - the PTSD makes sense. The PTSD was already there - vent-boy and the Reapers conquering Earth just brought it all back. (It also explains where the forest in the dream came from - I'm fairly sure there will have been forests on Mindoir.)

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Worst

ME2:
Shepard to TIM "If what you're saying is true... I'll consider working with you." NO I WON'T. I'm taking the first shuttle to the Citadel, and I'd like to see you stop me!

Destroying the Collector Base. "I won't let fear compromise who I am!" "This base is an abomination!" No, the reason I'm destroying it is because I don't trust Cerberus not to get themselves indoctrinated by poking around on this thing. Heck, I just don't trust Cerberus. I'd happily give it to the Alliance.

A lot of ME2, actually. Shepard just comes across as ridiculously wooden, especially as someone who recently returned from the dead. Horizon was almost unforgiveable.

ME3:
The TIM conversations. As early as Mars I just wanted to be able to say "Look, controlling or destroying the Reapers, I don't care which so long as we actually stop them. Now would you work with us rather than fighting us?" (Fortunately the final conversation does allow you to argue along these lines, but by then it's far too late...) These are actually a bit of a love-hate thing, because I do like the dialogue in these scenes, there's just arguments that I'm unable to bring up...

Modifié par JasonShepard, 29 novembre 2013 - 10:21 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Daemul wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" 

Yes it is there in Mass Effect 1. It is the most cringeworthy and idiotic dialogue choice in the entire series. Here's how Liara should have answered.

Liara: "It wasn't always that way, Shepard. In ancient times, the Goddess Athame would descend from the heavens and visit devout matrons and present them with the divine gift of Asari babies. When we discovered space travel and met other species for the first time, it was then that we discovered the miracle of reproduction."

Shepard: "(long uncomfortable pause) I should go."

[TheMyron]

Pfff... I can't believe people still say that the ending was the worst part, when the character hijacking feels so much worse...

Maybe its because they kept their anger on the inside during their first playthrough, and it finally came out during the "ending", and then naturally they simply blamed the ending.

[Anubis722]

Best
1. Killing Legion/Geth VI and Geth on Rannoch
2. Selling Legion to Cerberus
3. Killing TIM and Kai Leng
4. Allowing Xen to experiment on Legion/Geth VI
5. Choosing Destroy and Killing Starchild and his toys
6. Killing the Reaper destroyer on Rannoch
7. Being Friends with Javik
8. Telling Legion to his face i'm going to kill the Geth during Rannoch
9. Helping Garrus,Mordin,Kasumi,and Tali in ME2
10. Destroying Cerberus in ME3




Worst
1. Thessia
2. Railroaded to work for Cerberus in ME2
3. Autodialog in ME3
4. Dreams in ME3
5. Destroying the Collector Base( I would keep it,but i'm not giving it to Cerberus)
6. Arrival
7. Not having an option to make the Geth my slaves

[TheMyron]

LegioDamnatus wrote...

- Thessia. It starts with the fact that Shep doesn't seem to care that the Asari in the temple had their throats slit. What kind of soldier simply ignores that?! Then Kai Leng shows up... and nobody opens fire at him. So then the fighting starts and we're doing pretty good despite the coward's gunship...

Indeed, even if one doesn't care for Asari chicks, you should still get suspicious about the circumstances, it was obvious from my first playthrough that we were being watched by an unwelcome visitor, and we knew EXACTLY who it was...

P.S. How can the banshees completely ignore Leng's gunship?