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[TheMyron]

Throughout ME3, my Shepard is forced to acknowledge robots as living beings whether he likes it or not, and he is also extremely anti-Cerberus.

Both of these are bad, because you can have Shepard say the exact opposite throughout the previous two games.

The dreams are really bad because it is possible in the first two games to turn Shepard into the most cold-hearted human being in the history of Heroes.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Daemul wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" 

lol... I "know" that guy. He posts on another forum I post at.

When he first discovered he became an internet meme he was so embarassed. 

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 29 novembre 2013 - 10:49 .

[Clayless]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

"You're not alive, not really, you're just a machine. And machines can be broken."

I just mute the game at that point and pretend Shepard never said it.

You can also hit the spacebar right away - Shepard will only get out "You're not" and Sovereign then appears to interrupt. I do this with a few other scenes that make Shepard look dumb or excessively aggressive. For example, spacebarring through hacking the doors on Purgatory can make it look like the riot starts without Shepard doing anything.

That's actually a really good idea. It just makes Shepard look so stupid otherwise.

Another terrible line is:

"I never knew there were Krogan engineers" - Shepard, standing in the rubble of nuclear destroyed Tuchanka.

Good thing it's not auto-dialogue though.

[TheMyron]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 WORST --

3.) Taking Liara to Thessia -- ME3.

I'm not a pushover. When she asked to come along, my answer would/should have been "no." I didn't take her along on Noveria to confront her mother for a reason. It's the same reason I wouldn't bring her to Thessia, but alas, I'm forced to and have to endure her weep!fest. Sure, she probably would have gotten pissed at me for not letting her come, especially given the way things turn out, but I would have much rather dealt with that than what actually took place.

Liara should not have been forced on Eden Prime, either, but since I do that early she's the only choice anyway.

1.) Garrus personal quest -- ME1.

If you try to arrest Saleon, he resists and you have to kill him. Garrus asks what was the point of even trying. Shepard (possibly) responds by saying something down the lines of ~ you can't control what others will do, only how you react to them. I liked that quote, and it epitomizes my Shepard nicely as a man who is 100% principle.

Indeed, unless its a ME2 loyalty-style mission, the player should not be forced to take a particular person along.

You don't have to bring Garrus to take out Dr. Heart, nor do you have to bring Wrex to recover his family armor. Sure, they get mad for not coming along, but they can get over it.

Liara: Ooh, ooh! I am an "expert" on Protheans, I have to come along to see the artifact... That's MY World down there! I have to come along!

In ME1 and ME2, a dialogue wheel would have showed up, with the option "no" along with it.

[KaiserShep]

RandomGuy96 wrote...

4. Yelling down Al-Jilani in ME2 about the ships he sacrificed to save the Council, saying that it was all worth it (since it was a matter of 2,400 human lives vs 10,000 alien ones) and revealing that he remembers every single cruiser lost. Far better than just punching her, which makes Shepard seem like an uneducated short tempered brute.

I love using the intimidate dialogue on Al-Jilani in ME2. Punching her looks kind of amusing, but it's so much better to overpower her in dialogue. Her response after the interview is over is also the best after this dialogue too. "Bull-rushed on my own show." I like to characterize my femShep as being stern and aggressive with her words, but only being prone to violence with obvious threats or people obstructing the mission. Similarly, using the intimidate dialogue on Rafael Vargas in ME1 is also satisfying.

Besides, it's better (and funnier) to just watch the volus kick her in the shin in the LotSB vid archives.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 29 novembre 2013 - 11:03 .

[TheMyron]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


5) Saving Joker at the beginning of ME2 - This was an idiotic thing, but I guess this also falls under item 3. Joker was given two orders. One from Shepard to Abandon Ship, and another from Kaidan to Abandon Ship. Captain doesn't go down with the ship gang. That only happens in "Romance Novels". If Joker was too stupid to get to his escape pod, consider it a Darwin Award. But we got railroaded.

Captain Smith went down with the Titanic, and Captain Lindemann went down with the Bismarck...

[Barquiel]

Best ->  LotSB aftermath, Omega DLC (ending/the entire theme of influencing Aria), Thessia aftermath, BDTS, the speech when Shepard takes over the Normandy and they prepare to leave the Citadel, the final conversation with Anderson, Khalisah's interview in ME3 (paragon), the Tuchanka arc (especially the last conversation with Mordin/all outcomes)

Worst -> Shepard's Earth-centric bias in ME3 (the first council meeting, Victus, etc.), Cerberus railroading in ME2, Shepard being an idiot on Horizon (I still can't decide who's the bigger idiot here...Shep or the VS), Shepard having all the emotion of a brick wall on Illium (Liara), some of the "canon" friendships (Garrus, Joker), Jacob...the forced flirting for even the simplest of conversation's in ME2, "I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species"

Modifié par Barquiel, 29 novembre 2013 - 11:23 .

[KaiserShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


5) Saving Joker at the beginning of ME2 - This was an idiotic thing, but I guess this also falls under item 3. Joker was given two orders. One from Shepard to Abandon Ship, and another from Kaidan to Abandon Ship. Captain doesn't go down with the ship gang. That only happens in "Romance Novels". If Joker was too stupid to get to his escape pod, consider it a Darwin Award. But we got railroaded.

As a ship's captain, it's his/her obligation to do all in his/her power to save all surviving personnel, and is not to leave until all are secured. You can say that it's the worst portrayal of your Shepard, but any captain that abandons their crew, even if it's just one foolish person, would be deemed unfit to command a ship, and would go down as a coward.

[Fatiguesdualism]

TheMyron wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


5) Saving Joker at the beginning of ME2 - This was an idiotic thing, but I guess this also falls under item 3. Joker was given two orders. One from Shepard to Abandon Ship, and another from Kaidan to Abandon Ship. Captain doesn't go down with the ship gang. That only happens in "Romance Novels". If Joker was too stupid to get to his escape pod, consider it a Darwin Award. But we got railroaded.

Captain Smith went down with the Titanic, and Captain Lindemann went down with the Bismarck...

Personally would have mentioned Captain Mahendra Nath Mulla, INS Khukri.

Modifié par Fatiguesdualism, 29 novembre 2013 - 11:32 .

[Sir DeLoria]

TheMyron wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


5) Saving Joker at the beginning of ME2 - This was an idiotic thing, but I guess this also falls under item 3. Joker was given two orders. One from Shepard to Abandon Ship, and another from Kaidan to Abandon Ship. Captain doesn't go down with the ship gang. That only happens in "Romance Novels". If Joker was too stupid to get to his escape pod, consider it a Darwin Award. But we got railroaded.

Captain Smith went down with the Titanic, and Captain Lindemann went down with the Bismarck...

Indeed. Rear Admiral Yamaguchi and Captain Kagu both stayed on the sinking Hiryu during the Battle of Midway. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The thing is why the hell didn't Kaidan get Joker to the life pod? Duh? Kaidan was second in command after Pressley. It was a railroad job. And if you looked up from deck 2 you could see space. The ship was lost. It was beyond all reasonable hope. And the ass h*** doesn't even thank you for saving his life, or apologized for causing your death. Ever. He's the cause of your death. And he can't even take an ass chewing for cracking a really bad joke after you nearly died again, and instead pouts about it until you apologize to him. No good deed goes unpunished.

[RandomGuy96]

TheMyron wrote...

Throughout ME3, my Shepard is forced to acknowledge robots as living beings whether he likes it or not, and he is also extremely anti-Cerberus.

Both of these are bad, because you can have Shepard say the exact opposite throughout the previous two games.

The dreams are really bad because it is possible in the first two games to turn Shepard into the most cold-hearted human being in the history of Heroes.

Actually, I remember Shepard being able to be extremely blunt in what he thought of machines in the Rannoch arc. He could outright tell Legion that machines aren't life, and when Legion tries to defend itself, you can take a renegade interrupt and say, essentially, "No, shut up, they're not. They're broken tools that need to be shut down". 

That and the Thessia mission are serious problems for me. I never noticed it, since I didn't play as cold hearted bastard Shepard, but these moments would definitely be OOC if I was. That, and Shepard's disgust over Joker's crack about Thessia is DISGUSTINGLY hypocritical, if this is the same Shepard who murdered the Biotic God for kicks. 

[in it for the lolz]

Best: Sticking up for Javik when the Blueberry Stalker was being a b*tch to Javik.

Worst: Seeing the Blueberry Stalker for the first time in ME1.

[in it for the lolz]

Robosexual wrote...

"You're not alive, not really, you're just a machine. And machines can be broken."

I said the same line when I was putting caps in Flashlight' a**.

[Boopboo]

I want to say the part in Mass Effect 2 where you kick the Mercenary off of the building during Thane's recruitment quest, but.... yeah...

[KaiserShep]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The thing is why the hell didn't Kaidan get Joker to the life pod? Duh? Kaidan was second in command after Pressley. It was a railroad job. And if you looked up from deck 2 you could see space. The ship was lost. It was beyond all reasonable hope.

If Shepard orders the second in command to retrieve Joker while he/she gets to the escape pod, that's still abandonment of the crew (unless of course, Kaidan is asked to come along rather than just doing it by himself). I guess if one wants to have Shepard play the coward for sake of player agency, then OK, but still, it'd be a pretty bad image for Shepard to have. 

And the ass h*** doesn't even thank you for saving his life, or apologized for causing your death. Ever. He's the cause of your death. And he can't even take an ass chewing for cracking a really bad joke after you nearly died again, and instead pouts about it until you apologize to him. No good deed goes unpunished.

Joker actually expresses regret over it (though never actually says "I'm sorry", but what's the difference?) and I don't remember Shepard ever apologizing, though I haven't explored all of the dialogue options yet. 

[KaiserShep]

Double post

Modifié par KaiserShep, 30 novembre 2013 - 05:52 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

KaiserShep wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The thing is why the hell didn't Kaidan get Joker to the life pod? Duh? Kaidan was second in command after Pressley. It was a railroad job. And if you looked up from deck 2 you could see space. The ship was lost. It was beyond all reasonable hope.

If Shepard orders the second in command to retrieve Joker while he/she gets to the escape pod, that's still abandonment of the crew (unless of course, Kaidan is asked to come along rather than just doing it by himself). I guess if one wants to have Shepard play the coward for sake of player agency, then OK, but still, it'd be a pretty bad image for Shepard to have. 

And the ass h*** doesn't even thank you for saving his life, or apologized for causing your death. Ever. He's the cause of your death. And he can't even take an ass chewing for cracking a really bad joke after you nearly died again, and instead pouts about it until you apologize to him. No good deed goes unpunished.

Joker actually expresses regret over it (though never actually says "I'm sorry", but what's the difference?) and I don't remember Shepard ever apologizing, though I haven't explored all of the dialogue options yet. 

Take the paragon option for Shepard in the next conversation with Joker after the blowup. Shepard apologizes.

The whole thing was a goddamn railroad job to get Shepard killed. It was stupid. Joker was an idiot. I don't recall Joker ever expressing regret. I played ME2 13 times and ME3 five times. 

There's a difference between being a coward and an idiot. IMO Shepard was railroaded into being an idiot, but what do expect from someone who can't figure out that asari can mate with their own race?

[Ryzaki]

in it for the lolz wrote...

Best: Sticking up for Javik when the Blueberry Stalker was being a b*tch to Javik.

Worst: Seeing the Blueberry Stalker for the first time in ME1.

Nah it's worst in ME3 because he says her name like she's some long lost lover of his.

[Ieldra]

Obadiah wrote...
My favorite character scene was in ME1. After Shepard got the Normandy he gave his speech to the crew. It was completely unexpected, could be incredibly tailored by each player in a way subsequent speeches were not, and immediately set the tone on who Shepard was and why he thought this mission was so important.

Indeed. That was Shepard's only good speech, the only one where I never wanted to use the option "no speeches" (don't even recall if it existed).

[CronoDragoon]

Best: Shepard and Tali landing on Rannoch. Actually, that whole arc might be it. The dialogue just had such personality to it that I truly felt like Shepard was a living character.

Second place is, as has been said, the convo between Shepard and Liara post-Broker. Shepard is someone who, as a heroic figure and leader of a ship, is constantly forced to surpress his doubts and fears so that he may appear confident and fearless. This problem only exacerbates itself as time continues and his reputation grows. By ME3, the dreams perfectly represented the internalization of everything he could never say to anyone....except Liara in that cabin convo, and eventually Tali in ME3. He even asserts to Garrus that the "calculus of war" is BS without really believing it himself. Those rare moments give true depth to character.

Worst: The entirety of Mass Effect 1. It doesn't matter if you give me more dialogue wheels if what I pick leads to stupid, inane comments or repeats of whatever someone just said. Or sounds coming out of a mouth reminiscient of a plank hitting concrete. Both the voice acting and writing for Shepard are so awful in ME1 that no amount of role-playing can close the gap for me.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:19 .

[Ieldra]

RandomGuy96 wrote...
It's kind of hard narrowing to down to a top five, but I did so anyway. There are a lot of moments throughout the trilogy that just bugged the crap outta me.

I, too, had a hard time narrowing it down to four.

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" head desk.

S/he.... s/he actually says this?

It's an option. Which is why it didn't make it into my the "worst" list. Shepard can be a ****** here, but they don't have to. Still, this is a egregiously stupid line to even write in the first place.

[Linkenski]

The scene in ME3's intro

Anderson: "We need to go talk to the Citadel, talk to the council."
"The Citadel? The fight's here!" most moronic line from Shepard evar, and again. WHY NOT A DIALOGUE WHEEL?

What it should've been: Choose:
A Paragon) "Agreed. We need to get support for Earth if we want it standing tomorrow"
B Neutral) "But what good would that do? How would Earth survive for even a day if we leave?"
C Renegade) "The Citadel? The fight's here!"

Modifié par Linkenski, 30 novembre 2013 - 11:02 .

[Linkenski]

Ieldra2 wrote...

RandomGuy96 wrote...
It's kind of hard narrowing to down to a top five, but I did so anyway. There are a lot of moments throughout the trilogy that just bugged the crap outta me.

I, too, had a hard time narrowing it down to four.

1) "You mean Asari can mate with their own race?" head desk.

S/he.... s/he actually says this?

It's an option. Which is why it didn't make it into my the "worst" list. Shepard can be a ****** here, but they don't have to. Still, this is a egregiously stupid line to even write in the first place.

Also in Bring Down The Sky DLC he can ask "Can't they just send the asteroid into the ocean?"

Oh yeah, good plan Shepard. Make tidal waves that destroy whole cities.