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You know, I know it's old news but it sucks that the Typhoon was nerfed so hard


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#26
Kislitsin

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MGW7 wrote...
, only the old turians are really effected out of the no dodge kits

ironically enough, among no-dodge(sans destroyer), only old turians are capable to use spitfire to a great extent (~10 secs for most bosses, no joke)
[edit] clarified a bit

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Kislitsin wrote...

MGW7 wrote...
, only the old turians are really effected out of the no dodge kits

ironically enough, among no-dodge(sans destroyer), only old turians are capable to use spitfire to a great extent (~10 secs for most bosses, no joke)
[edit] clarified a bit



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Except what does it spit out as it fires??

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rlucht wrote...


Okay, it takes a bit more than 10 secs to kill bosses, but still, have you tried full RoF MM with spitfire? Or no overload TSent with spitfire and warp ammo?

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Kislitsin wrote...

Also I wish spitfire didn't have speed penalty at least for no-dodge kits, It would rival both phoon and ppr on the Tsent.


I don't see an issue, you still can run with the gun. It's a refreshing thing once you go from using it on a Juggy exclusively to putting it on a Geth trooper soldier.

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Original typhoon; in one of it's best set ups...

Typhoon X, stability, magazine capacity
Warp ammo IV, AR amp III, destroyer soldier

(55.5*2) * 1 + (0.575 + 0.3) = 208.125 damage on ramped up shots.

Expected damage versus protections:

274.725 / 312 / 425 / 352.5375

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Nerfed typhoon, with it's best set up:

Typhoon X, magazine capacity, extended barrel
Armour piercing ammo IV, AR amp III, destroyer soldier

(55.5*1.5) * 1 + (0.575 + 0.3 + 0.25) = 176.9 on ramped up shots.

Expected damage versus protections:

218.5 / 265 / 265 / 299.45


Another example of just brainless balance decisions.

Take the reetard crutchbine for example:

66*8 = 528

So a single shot from the reetard crutchbine deals almost double the damage versus health that the pre-nerf typhoon did... and that's without factoring in any ammo power.

Quite why bioware decided to nerf the typhoon, and not the reetard crutchbine, I will never, ever know.

Reegar as it stands, even at low frame rates is an "iWin" weapon. And at low frame rates you have the advantage of stupid AI, so the argument that the limited range balances the weapon is wrong.

Nerf the decent, unique weapons which had interesting mechanics; and leave a generic death lazer "iWin" gun which weighs less, is easier to use, requires no aiming and doesn't require headshots to melt things....





I can only hope Bioware's perception of "balance" is better in future mass effect games.

Modifié par Annomander, 30 novembre 2013 - 10:59 .


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dr_random wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

Also I wish spitfire didn't have speed penalty at least for no-dodge kits, It would rival both phoon and ppr on the Tsent.


I don't see an issue, you still can run with the gun. It's a refreshing thing once you go from using it on a Juggy exclusively to putting it on a Geth trooper soldier.

Well, once I tried AM3 instead of cyclonics on Tsent (he is tanky enough, even for plat) I never looked back. I love my turboturian and I'm pissed off how slow he is with spitfire (even with AM3), speed penalty when firing is even more annoing (and the worst part - it doesn't applied to armigers, biower, srsly?).

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Wait, Korgans and Armiger Turians are immune to Spitfire's speed penalty? Learn something new every day.

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Tokenusername wrote...

Wait, Korgans and Armiger Turians are immune to Spitfire's speed penalty? Learn something new every day.


IDK bout krogans, but armigers while still suffer speed penalty when run, do not suffer speed penalty (super-ridiculous one) while firing the gun.