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[WhiteKnyght]

...the oldest age-given human character we actually see in the game is like 52 years old.

I'm speaking of course of Admiral Hackett.

And there's the fact that he, Anderson, etc are all considered old by people in-game, when technically only a third of their lives is over. Even Anderson referred to himself as being in his "Twilight years" in ME2.

And Garret Bryson was referred to as getting too old for long digs. But by the way medical advances and lengthened lifespans are portrayed, he should arguably be up for it for a few more decades.

And if the lifespan really is increased to 150 years, that would mean the oldest living human would have been born in the 2030-40s, but there's nothing about that in game lore.

[KaiserShep]

What Shepard said was that humans are lucky to reach 150, so it's fair to assume that the average lifespan is still a good deal shorter than that.

[KiriKaeshi]

KaiserShep wrote...

What Shepard said was that humans are lucky to reach 150, so it's fair to assume that the average lifespan is still a good deal shorter than that.

Or bioware just didn't care...

[Farangbaa]

Omg, plothole.

[KaiserShep]

KiriKaeshi wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

What Shepard said was that humans are lucky to reach 150, so it's fair to assume that the average lifespan is still a good deal shorter than that.

Or bioware just didn't care...

Well, really, it's just a small detail, so there's no reason why they should. 150 years is not a really humongous stretch, since it's quite possible for a human being to live to be as old as 120.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 29 novembre 2013 - 02:23 .

[KiriKaeshi]

KaiserShep wrote...

KiriKaeshi wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

What Shepard said was that humans are lucky to reach 150, so it's fair to assume that the average lifespan is still a good deal shorter than that.

Or bioware just didn't care...

Well, really, it's just a small detail, so there's no reason why they should. 150 years is not a really humongous stretch, since it's quite possible for a human being to live to be as old as 120.

I didn't notice it either, but it would've been a nice touch if a 100+ years old human character had been introduced...  How old's TIM btw?

[Oni Changas]

They have mentioned quite a few times in books and the codex that the human lifespan is quite longer than nowadays and that 40-50 isn't necessarily "old" anymore. It's just incredibly inconsistent.

[NeroonWilliams]

It all depends on how the human lifespan gets extended. At the present all methods of extending the human lifespan has really only added years to the final stages of life: old age.

And it has only been in the last 40-50 years that life expectancy has shown any effect from improving health at those advanced ages. All previous improvement to the life expectancy statistic have come from improving the infant mortality rate (when one out of every 3-5 children born die before they reach the age of two, it really brings down the average).

So given all of that, 25-35 will still be considered "the prime of life" regardless of how long humans actually live, unless some medical treatment is developed that greatly increases the length of that stage of life. Until then, 50 will still be considered "over the hill" by anyone within their prime years, and therefore OLD.

Modifié par NeroonWilliams, 29 novembre 2013 - 05:29 .

[AlexMBrennan]

In that case the pension system would rapidly collapse (pay in from 20-60, collect pension from 60-150), never mind the cost of treating "frail elderly" people for another 50 years...

[KaiserShep]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

In that case the pension system would rapidly collapse (pay in from 20-60, collect pension from 60-150), never mind the cost of treating "frail elderly" people for another 50 years...

They'll just ship them off to a retirement colony, so they can live on nutrient paste and be administered medigel on a regular basis.

[Reorte]

How old is Dr. Chakwas?

[Daemul]

Just because Humans may be able to live to 150, it doesn't mean they all will, the vast majority will not. It's probably the same for the Asari and Krogan, they can live up to 1000, but most will not do so, nature will see to that.

Could you imagine if every member of a race lived to the maximum years possible for their own species? Even with the ability to find new planets to colonise, the population growth would be far too high to sustain, especially since for every planet you colonise there will be many others which won't be suitable to live in.

[KiriKaeshi]

Daemul wrote...

Just because Humans may be able to live to 150, it doesn't mean they all will, the vast majority will not. It's probably the same for the Asari and Krogan, they can live up to 1000, but most will not do so, nature will see to that.

Could you imagine if every member of a race lived to the maximum years possible for their own species? Even with the ability to find new planets to colonise, the population growth would be far too high to sustain, especially since for every planet you colonise there will be many others which won't be suitable to live in.

The observation here is that although life expectancy in humans is increased, we don't see anything of it in the game. 

[Sanunes]

KiriKaeshi wrote...

Daemul wrote...

Just because Humans may be able to live to 150, it doesn't mean they all will, the vast majority will not. It's probably the same for the Asari and Krogan, they can live up to 1000, but most will not do so, nature will see to that.

Could you imagine if every member of a race lived to the maximum years possible for their own species? Even with the ability to find new planets to colonise, the population growth would be far too high to sustain, especially since for every planet you colonise there will be many others which won't be suitable to live in.

The observation here is that although life expectancy in humans is increased, we don't see anything of it in the game. 

The thing is when someone looks "old" they are normally looking frail, so for all we know we have encountered people that are older, but because of quality of life that increases lifespan they look to be younger to us as well.

[KiriKaeshi]

Sanunes wrote...

KiriKaeshi wrote...

Daemul wrote...

Just because Humans may be able to live to 150, it doesn't mean they all will, the vast majority will not. It's probably the same for the Asari and Krogan, they can live up to 1000, but most will not do so, nature will see to that.

Could you imagine if every member of a race lived to the maximum years possible for their own species? Even with the ability to find new planets to colonise, the population growth would be far too high to sustain, especially since for every planet you colonise there will be many others which won't be suitable to live in.

The observation here is that although life expectancy in humans is increased, we don't see anything of it in the game. 

The thing is when someone looks "old" they are normally looking frail, so for all we know we have encountered people that are older, but because of quality of life that increases lifespan they look to be younger to us as well.

Hackett was mentioned being 52 in me3, which surprised me because I thought he looks even older.

[Daemul]

KiriKaeshi wrote...

Daemul wrote...

Just because Humans may be able to live to 150, it doesn't mean they all will, the vast majority will not. It's probably the same for the Asari and Krogan, they can live up to 1000, but most will not do so, nature will see to that.

Could you imagine if every member of a race lived to the maximum years possible for their own species? Even with the ability to find new planets to colonise, the population growth would be far too high to sustain, especially since for every planet you colonise there will be many others which won't be suitable to live in.

The observation here is that although life expectancy in humans is increased, we don't see anything of it in the game. 

Thats cause all the 150 year olda are living it up on Bekenstein 

Isn't that planet supposedly the Monaco of the galaxy? I'm guessing with the extended life spans they would work longer and therefore earn more money, so they would probably end up there when they retire. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem with this is that while even today while life expectancy has increased over the past 40 years, the prospect of remaining gainfully employed past the age of 50 has actually dropped. Sure you can get a job, but chances are your job is going to get cut. They are hiring younger people and outsourcing those high paying jobs elsewhere because it's cheaper.

On Earth in 2185, with around 12 billion people the situation is probably pretty bad. The disparity of wealth is probably really bad. The difference between the top 1% and the 99% is going to be quite dramatic. The difference between the top 5% and the other 95% is going to be worse. The 95% is going to be screwed. If you're lucky you're going to be able to buy your way into a colony. If you're really lucky you're going to be born into one of the robber baron families who own the colonies. Earth is pretty much a sh** hole. Non-renewable resources are depleted. The ecosystem is overstressed. There are famines. And well, in 2186 I'd guess with the infrastructure down and the destruction by the reapers the population gets reduced to about 3 billion from starvation, disease, and violence after the war, things might actually be better, except it's pretty much a wasteland

So lucky to reach 150? Yeah if you're in the top 1% you can. Top 5% maybe 110. If you're not, you're probably lucky to reach 70, and maybe 60 in parts of the world in 2185.

[SwobyJ]

Hackett also has the stresses of life put on his face. Works well.


All '150 life expectancy' means is that instead of our current 'pushing it' age of 90-110, with treatments it is possible to extend that to probably 130-150ish. Why do we not see this? Cosmetic treatments + limitations of the game (like not seeing children aside from that single one).

If TIM didn't have 'upgrades' or treatments (aka if he lived in our time), he'd be internally aging a lot by that point in his life, possibly heading to a retirement home if it got that bad.
But in the Mass Effect time and how he works, he instead has the body likely as capable as a healthy adult. Like 40 being the new 20 (for us compared to ancient history), 60 is probably the new 40 in Mass Effect.

Lasting til 150 in Mass Effect is probably just as useless (imo) as being 100ish in current time. You're there due to a will to live and the happiness you bring others, but its not like you're doing much else. However, lasting til 80-100 is probably a lot nicer (if you have the credits) than it is in current time. You're still aging, but likely more capable of lighter work and a reasonable range of activities beyond lawnbowling.

[zed888]

It's no more strange than vent kid being the only child in the MEU.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Reorte wrote...

How old is Dr. Chakwas?

Unknown.

[SwobyJ]

Yeah Shotgun.

In the lore, Earth IS getting better than it was pre-Contact, but the wealth disparity still isn't matching the tech/resource progress. Anything I just said about life expectancy in my last post is really more reserved for the upper-middle to upper-class individuals, with the rest of humanity maybe still only lasting til 80-100 like now.

Earth isn't a sh**hole though. It WAS, before the more recent tech leap, but now the better cities/regions are much better than they were, and the worst regions are actually just as good as the better regions of before.

Basically, it still kinda sucked while Shepard and even James were growing up (but especially while David Anderson was), but it was on a gradual increase of overall standard of living until the Reaper invasion. Things were looking up for humanity on Earth overall.

That's supposed to be the whole sad part of the Reaper invasion for humans. That we seemed to be finally economically/societally picking ourselves up from our internal messes (I wonder how much TIM has to do with that), but we then got smacked down.


But yeah if we take the Extended Cut literally, Earth does seem to get rebuilt to some good degree eventually, with at least a united galactic community focusing on it (above other planets, to a point), and it would shine as the new hope for not just humanity, but the galaxy in whatever form it takes. Pretty sure at that point, humans will more often live past 100 than not. But that's the 'future'.

[The Night Mammoth]

Daemul wrote...

Just because Humans may be able to live to 150, it doesn't mean they all will, the vast majority will not. It's probably the same for the Asari and Krogan, they can live up to 1000, but most will not do so, nature will see to that.

Could you imagine if every member of a race lived to the maximum years possible for their own species? Even with the ability to find new planets to colonise, the population growth would be far too high to sustain, especially since for every planet you colonise there will be many others which won't be suitable to live in.

If every member of every race lived to the maximum years possible I'd imagine their population would decline. That's what's going to happen to many developed nations in the real world in the next few decades. 

[Oni Changas]

Leave it to BSN to overanalyse something so simple until the arguments become more flawed than a strawman made of air.

[ImperatorMortis]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ever think it's odd how humans can live to 150, yet the oldest age-given human character we actually see in the game is like 52 years old.

No. Because who seriously gives crap? 

[Navasha]

Scientifically, it really depends on exactly HOW we achieved a lifespan of 150.

The lifespan of humans used to be in the 40s. Nothing has genetically changed between then and now. Medical advancements haven't made the aging process any slower. Medical advancements only help eliminate the things that kill us young. Thus the "AVERAGE" lifespan increases.

If someone dies at 5 years old from whooping cough and another dies at 95 of cancer, their average lifespan of that small population was 50 years.

To get humans much past 120, there would have to be some serious advancements in the areas of free radicals and telomere length.