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[Rotward]

They are old for people still working. It's not like shepard peeks into retirement homes.

[LisuPL]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

...the oldest age-given human character we actually see in the game is like 52 years old.

I'm speaking of course of Admiral Hackett.

And there's the fact that he, Anderson, etc are all considered old by people in-game, when technically only a third of their lives is over. Even Anderson referred to himself as being in his "Twilight years" in ME2.

And Garret Bryson was referred to as getting too old for long digs. But by the way medical advances and lengthened lifespans are portrayed, he should arguably be up for it for a few more decades.

And if the lifespan really is increased to 150 years, that would mean the oldest living human would have been born in the 2030-40s, but there's nothing about that in game lore.

Actually I think the "150 years life span" for humans in ME is kinda short.

Given the medical idea people already have (Aubrey de Grey) there is already a way (provided enough funding is availavle) to extend our lives by 30 years.
In the future, full developement of this tech could give us almost Asari like life span.

But we also have to take 2 things into account:

1) living up to 150-1000 years

or

2) living up to 150 -1000 years in a fully capable body that is resistant to effects of aging...

Those are two different things.

It seems ME life span of humans simply means the raw, nominal gap of 150 years, but being say 140 years old means you are alive, you retain your mental capabilities, but have senile system and simply feel and look old.

If the ME life span of humans was like the case 2) then we would surely see a lot of people over 100 who are not only alive, but still kickin' and fit.

Hence,  Anderson and Hackett indeed were at the horizon of their retirement years, even tho' they were way before being 100 years old.

Modifié par LisuPL, 29 novembre 2013 - 10:44 .

[sr2josh]

KiriKaeshi wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

What Shepard said was that humans are lucky to reach 150, so it's fair to assume that the average lifespan is still a good deal shorter than that.

Or bioware just didn't care...

They also didn't care about fat people, midgets, trannys, etc.  

[LisuPL]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

  Old Shepard for ME4!



Kickin' ass and takin' names!

Ancient times of good ol'ancient ME1 with sole survivor from China...

[Vicious Mello]

I wasn't aware Anderson or Hackett had actually had their ages revealed at all. I always liked to head-canon that Hackett was probably around 100 or so, and Anderson was likely somewhere between 60 and 80.

[Lyrandori]

We did not see "old / older / elderly" character models of various species in the games due to technical limitations, time and resources restraints. The same goes for physical handicaps, a random human male or female with an amputated arm replaced by a biotic one for example, a Turian on a wheelchair going about his daily business in the commercial areas of the Citadel or a fat politician, heck the same goes with kids.

All that would have required more time and resources especially if the intention would have been to create a sense of "plausibility" and not just limiting those physical aspects to one or two characters. It would have been done on a considerable scale so that you'd have seen different people of all species and ages with unique character models across the game's hubs like the Citadel and Omega.

Another example are the Elder Scrolls games, same body model for ALL the NPCs, but if you change the models to have "HD" ones it's still the same HD body that goes on an elderly man or woman, so you have the face of a 70 years-old woman sitting on a top-shape 20 years-old body. It takes a crap load of time to model unique characters in a sufficient-enough number to create the sense of "realism" or at least "plausibility" so that you don't constantly have to suspend your disbelief. In the Mass Effect games we have to imagine all that by ourselves but it's safe to "assume" that within the Mass Effect's universe there's plenty of old(er) and young(er) people moving, living, existing around the network and within the galaxy's habitable planets.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 30 novembre 2013 - 07:36 .

[SwobyJ]

One element of handwaving the 'samey models' away is the usage of widespread genetic treatments. Sure, not to the point of blatant eugenics, but if someone could have their child have less chance at bone or muscle structure issues, they'd go for it.

That, along with other medical advances, at least makes it believable enough when I see a character with a 60+-something-face walk and do things that IRL give even 30-40 somethings an issue or eventually a worn down looking body.

It doesn't excuse anything from Bioware (not even close), but I guess all I'm saying is that ESO breaks my immersion for this much more than Mass Effect does.

EDIT: Also, Admiral Steven Hackett is around 54 years of age come ME3's Reaper invasion.
David Anderson is around 49.
Maximum lifespan may have been extended by a few decades, but I wouldn't WANT to live that long. Whereas I'd want to live til 80-90 max with our current tech (unless I age amazingly), I'd want to live only til 90-110 max with the tech level they probably have in Mass Effect.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:00 .

[Erez Kristal]

While people ages have been pushed to 150. most of these changes are rather recent and it will take time before you notice the population get older.
earth has also greatly increased its numbers in the lasst 37 years.
Adding 3.5 billion people. and that is even without accounting for the dead. 36 years.
average age of population at death 100 will get you a little more than 3 billion
that means that 6.5 billion out of humanity 2186 12.5 half were born after 2150.
so with more than half the population with less than the age of 36. it is very likely you will see a lot of young people walking aroung. also take under notice that many of the elder stay back home or are sick. its the young people who are more known for their kin for travelling and colonizing.

[NeroonWilliams]

Honestly ask yourself how many centenarians (the 100 year old modern day equivalent) you have met in real life. I can count TWO that I've met in my whole 40 years of living and both of them were met when I was working as a paratransit driver (transporting handicapped and elderly persons) where my probability was greatly increased.

By that comparison, why would you expect to see wandering crowds of extremely old humans everywhere you go in ME?

[SwobyJ]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Honestly ask yourself how many centenarians (the 100 year old modern day equivalent) you have met in real life. I can count TWO that I've met in my whole 40 years of living and both of them were met when I was working as a paratransit driver (transporting handicapped and elderly persons) where my probability was greatly increased.

By that comparison, why would you expect to see wandering crowds of extremely old humans everywhere you go in ME?

lol

My grandfather is nearly one. Survived WWII as a sniper and is STILL kicking. Not even wheelchair bound but walking and going to events.. it is nuts.

[AlexMBrennan]

y that comparison, why would you expect to see wandering crowds of extremely old humans everywhere you go in ME?

As OP wrote, humanlifespan has been extended significantly in the ME universe yet there is virtually no one over 70 in the game (which would be the "new fourty").

[NeroonWilliams]

SwobyJ wrote...



lol

My grandfather is nearly one. Survived WWII as a sniper and is STILL kicking. Not even wheelchair bound but walking and going to events.. it is nuts.

Way cool!

Still, my question stands to the forum at large.

[SwobyJ]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

y that comparison, why would you expect to see wandering crowds of extremely old humans everywhere you go in ME?

As OP wrote, humanlifespan has been extended significantly in the ME universe yet there is virtually no one over 70 in the game (which would be the "new fourty").

Maximum life span is a different thing than life expectancy. 70 may become the new 40, but 100 may still be the new 80-90, unless there's a cure for aging.

NeroonWilliams wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

lol
My
grandfather is nearly one. Survived WWII as a sniper and is STILL
kicking. Not even wheelchair bound but walking and going to events.. it
is nuts.

Way cool!
Still, my question stands to the forum at large.

Yeah don't worry, I agree.

[NeroonWilliams]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

(B)y that comparison, why would you expect to see wandering crowds of extremely old humans everywhere you go in ME?

As OP wrote, humanlifespan has been extended significantly in the ME universe yet there is virtually no one over 70 in the game (which would be the "new fourty forty").

I don't particularly like to feed the troll, but there are two possible explanations for this.  Either:

1) 70 really IS the new 40 and this is because the middle portion of human life has been expanded.  We therefore will interpret the septugenarians that we ARE seeing in the game as younger than they are, since if they are common, they will not be going around proudly proclaiming their age as a badge of honor.  They will simply be normal.

or:

2) 70 is still GENERALLY a mark of fraility, and therefore there will be a SIGNIFICANT dearth of them going into space.  Remember that humans in the MEU have only begun exploring the galaxy for a little more than 30 years.  The figures that we have show that less than 1% of the human population has left Earth (less than 100 million in colonies vs 11 BILLION on Earth).  You can bet that hardly any geriatrics (requiring extensive care) will be included in that 1%.  By that same analysis there would be a similar dearth of physically disabled humans that we might come across outside of Earth.

Either one of these explanations would cover why we don't see these people in the game.

[illusive.man]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The problem with this is that while even today while life expectancy has increased over the past 40 years, the prospect of remaining gainfully employed past the age of 50 has actually dropped. Sure you can get a job, but chances are your job is going to get cut. They are hiring younger people and outsourcing those high paying jobs elsewhere because it's cheaper.

On Earth in 2185, with around 12 billion people the situation is probably pretty bad. The disparity of wealth is probably really bad. The difference between the top 1% and the 99% is going to be quite dramatic. The difference between the top 5% and the other 95% is going to be worse. The 95% is going to be screwed. If you're lucky you're going to be able to buy your way into a colony. If you're really lucky you're going to be born into one of the robber baron families who own the colonies. Earth is pretty much a sh** hole. Non-renewable resources are depleted. The ecosystem is overstressed. There are famines. And well, in 2186 I'd guess with the infrastructure down and the destruction by the reapers the population gets reduced to about 3 billion from starvation, disease, and violence after the war, things might actually be better, except it's pretty much a wasteland

So lucky to reach 150? Yeah if you're in the top 1% you can. Top 5% maybe 110. If you're not, you're probably lucky to reach 70, and maybe 60 in parts of the world in 2185.

That  is not true, the difference would be better, Humanity has hundreds of planets where resources are harvested for Earth, if anything even the poorest African country now would have a good standard of living then 

[NeonFlux117]

Just like there's no fat people in Mas Effect universe. Except Volus. They're pudgy. But no fat humans...... Um, yeah okay.

Every human in future time has time to go the gym 5 times a week for 3 hours and has a personal trainer on their omni tool.

It makes sense, I tell ya!!

[Display Name Owner]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it actually more like 120 years? And that was only the longer lived people? Someone like Miranda might live to 150, but I'm pretty sure the average person might live to 100-110.

Anyway, I dunno. The same reason there's only 1 child on the entire planet Earth.

[AlexMBrennan]

1) 70 really IS the new 40 and this is because the middle portion of human life has been expanded. We therefore will interpret the septugenarians that we ARE seeing in the game as younger than they are, since if they are common, they will not be going around proudly proclaiming their age as a badge of honor. They will simply be normal.

If only there was a codex giving the age of characters...

[WhiteKnyght]

KaiserShep wrote...

What Shepard said was that humans are lucky to reach 150, so it's fair to assume that the average lifespan is still a good deal shorter than that.

It's been stated in other parts of the lore. Not just Shepard. Also he was talking to an Asari when he said that. He meant that they're lucky to live as long as they do, in comparison to a race that lives for 1000 years.

Also it was even stated in the novels that a woman can wait till she's in her 60s to settle down and start having kids.

[Nightdragon8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

...the oldest age-given human character we actually see in the game is like 52 years old.

I'm speaking of course of Admiral Hackett.

And there's the fact that he, Anderson, etc are all considered old by people in-game, when technically only a third of their lives is over. Even Anderson referred to himself as being in his "Twilight years" in ME2.

And Garret Bryson was referred to as getting too old for long digs. But by the way medical advances and lengthened lifespans are portrayed, he should arguably be up for it for a few more decades.

And if the lifespan really is increased to 150 years, that would mean the oldest living human would have been born in the 2030-40s, but there's nothing about that in game lore.

this would have been relivent if they made the game start in Florida.. cause at around 100 I'm pretty sure you will be seriously retired.... who knows maybe they have a reteirment planet. A place to send all the old people.

[Kalyppso]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

this would have been relivent if they made the game start in Florida.. cause at around 100 I'm pretty sure you will be seriously retired.... who knows maybe they have a reteirment planet. A place to send all the old people.

Source: http://futurama.wiki...Near_Death_Star


But seriously; I was also surprised that we didn't meet at least one human, in Hackett's physical condition over 80. Not like, SO surprised ... but still: I can see where OP's going with this. However Hackett is old, in spirit and body, if not in age or overall health. I don't mind other characters referencing him or Anderson as being older than they are ... when that is the case. Perhaps their behaviour is serious, or maybe it's like being 13 years old and trying to visualize adulthood, where 23 looks old.

[Swan Killer]

They're all in Florida.

[Argetfalcon]

It should be obvious once Obamacare took effect lifespans shot up