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[Volus Warlord]

Lebdood wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

If their attacker had instead been a perfectly mundane serial killer, would you take that as justification to imprison everyone with the capacity to wield a weapon? Everyone with the strength to commit murder with their bare hands? Everyone with the intelligence to concoct a poison?

Of course, your average person isn't born with a machine gun for arms.

Reminds of that one quote. What was it again?

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

So even if they were born with machine gun arms, they shouldn't be imprisoned for having them.

They should not be imprisoned. They should be killed.

[Lebanese Dude]

Volus Warlord wrote...
They should not be imprisoned. They should be killed.

You forgot to add "with cleansing fire on a roasted pit over a lava pool". If you're gonna be brutal, do it right.

[Nightdragon8]

i seriously doubt it... War going on, pretty much lawlessness, then you have the veil taring

hate to say but I get the feeling that in reality, there would be roaming bandits raping and pilliging. thats just how the "end of days" are.

[Gwydden]

If there's something my time in the BSN has taught me, is humanity is terribly underrated.

Where did everyone's anthropocentrism go?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

i seriously doubt it... War going on, pretty much lawlessness, then you have the veil taring

hate to say but I get the feeling that in reality, there would be roaming bandits raping and pilliging. thats just how the "end of days" are.

Really?

You experienced this first hand then?

[ImperatorMortis]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

I hope not. Those dalish think they are so much better than everyone else.

Dalish are pretty badass at times. Also if you hate the Dalish for that reason you should hate the Orlesians as well. 

[Usergnome]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I can't really recall anything badass the Dalish have done throughout the series.

- Helping me defeat the Archdemon. I always summon them because they're ranged and the Dragon moves a lot.
- A single Dalish first disrupted trade flow between human cities. Impressive, considering it was just one elf. Imagine if they were at war.
- Have lived a hard life? Most human nobles are fat and cowardly, Dalish Elves need to be strong, smart, and brave to survive in the wilds, constantly moving.


They're trying to reclaim their past after all, you'll have to excuse them for not being as horribly divided and hostile as the humans, or as stubbornly traditional as the dwarves while they slowly lose to the darkspawn, eh?

[Lebanese Dude]

Usergnome wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I can't really recall anything badass the Dalish have done throughout the series.

- Helping me defeat the Archdemon. I always summon them because they're ranged and the Dragon moves a lot.
- A single Dalish first disrupted trade flow between human cities. Impressive, considering it was just one elf. Imagine if they were at war.
- Have lived a hard life? Most human nobles are fat and cowardly, Dalish Elves need to be strong, smart, and brave to survive in the wilds, constantly moving.


They're trying to reclaim their past after all, you'll have to excuse them for not being as horribly divided and hostile as the humans, or as stubbornly traditional as the dwarves while they slowly lose to the darkspawn, eh?

Eh... 

Your first example is optional. 
Your second is referring to a psychotic person who, in fact,  technically left the "Dalish".
Your third isn't actually badass. Resourceful? Yes. Badass. No.

Morocco is right... The Dalish haven't actually done anything that qualifies as badass. 

By the way I'm referring to the "Dalish" and not elves in particular.

Garahel, for example, was quite badass.

Modifié par Lebdood, 30 novembre 2013 - 05:21 .

[HiroVoid]

Also, the Dalish was a mage proving just how dangerous mages can be.

[leaguer of one]

Lebdood wrote...

Usergnome wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I can't really recall anything badass the Dalish have done throughout the series.

- Helping me defeat the Archdemon. I always summon them because they're ranged and the Dragon moves a lot.
- A single Dalish first disrupted trade flow between human cities. Impressive, considering it was just one elf. Imagine if they were at war.
- Have lived a hard life? Most human nobles are fat and cowardly, Dalish Elves need to be strong, smart, and brave to survive in the wilds, constantly moving.


They're trying to reclaim their past after all, you'll have to excuse them for not being as horribly divided and hostile as the humans, or as stubbornly traditional as the dwarves while they slowly lose to the darkspawn, eh?

Eh... 

Your first example is optional. 
Your second is referring to a psychotic person who, in fact,  technically left the "Dalish".
Your third isn't actually badass. Resourceful? Yes. Badass. No.

Morocco is right... The Dalish haven't actually done anything that qualifies as badass. 

By the way I'm referring to the "Dalish" and not elves in particular.

Garahel, for example, was quite badass.

"Your second is referring to a psychotic person who, in fact,  technically left the "Dalish"."

No she did not leave the dalish. She left her clan and started her own. She still is dalish.

Alsp, we have the elven warden. And the last person who kill the archdemon who killed the arch demon before the one in dao was dalish. Added they are the bast archers in thedus. 

[Afro_Explosion]

As much as I love the dalish they've got some issues to work out, so do the nobles and the city elves mainly the nobles

Modifié par mx_keep13, 30 novembre 2013 - 05:59 .

[leaguer of one]

HiroVoid wrote...

Also, the Dalish was a mage proving just how dangerous mages can be.

And the Shems have a bunch of Nobles proving how dangers they can be.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Nah. Leave them to be oppressed.

It's a better role-playing premise for my murderous city elf play-through.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 30 novembre 2013 - 06:09 .

[Angrywolves]

Elves should be free of course and MY Inquisitor will help them. Other players can commit genocide in THEIR games if they want. shrugs.

[HiroVoid]

But what if helping the elves requires genociding the inhabitants of the Dales?

[Lebanese Dude]

leaguer of one wrote...

No she did not leave the dalish. She left her clan and started her own. She still is dalish.

Alsp, we have the elven warden. And the last person who kill the archdemon who killed the arch demon before the one in dao was dalish. Added they are the bast archers in thedus. 

I think we have different meanings for Dalish.

As I see it, when someone leaves the clan, they are no longer Dalish. 
They remain Dalish as long as they are part of the clan system.

Otherwise they're just elves who used to be Dalish.

I see Dalish as an identity marker for an elf. You see it as a nationality.

No elf is born Dalish. They are born INTO a Dalish clan. The term "Dalish" is "from the Dales" which doesn't even exist anymore.

Bah semantics lol

Neither of us is wrong.

Modifié par Lebdood, 30 novembre 2013 - 07:51 .

[Plaintiff]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...
What are we to tell the poor victims of a possessed mage?

We could have protected you but a bleeding heart thought it would be wrong!

You can tell them whatever you want, I'm going to tell them that their suffering at the hands of one individual isn't justification for the blanket persecution of a minority.

If their attacker had instead been a perfectly mundane serial killer, would you take that as justification to imprison everyone with the capacity to wield a weapon? Everyone with the strength to commit murder with their bare hands? Everyone with the intelligence to concoct a poison?

Probably not. Which would make you an enormous hypocrite.

Of course I wouldn't, those people can't level buildings with their mind in a fit of pique or act as dimensional doorways for demons that can turn a child into a relentless killing machine.

Well now you're changing the goalposts. You said mages had to be imprisoned because they might hurt people. You never said anything about the scale of damage; not that it's relevant, because assuming someone will do something just because they possess the capacity is still nonsensical bigotry.

And what are you going to tell the victims of the mundane serial killer?

"Oh, I could've protected you, but I decided your problem wasn't important enough."

[TheKomandorShepard]

Plaintiff wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...
What are we to tell the poor victims of a possessed mage?

We could have protected you but a bleeding heart thought it would be wrong!

You can tell them whatever you want, I'm going to tell them that their suffering at the hands of one individual isn't justification for the blanket persecution of a minority.

If their attacker had instead been a perfectly mundane serial killer, would you take that as justification to imprison everyone with the capacity to wield a weapon? Everyone with the strength to commit murder with their bare hands? Everyone with the intelligence to concoct a poison?

Probably not. Which would make you an enormous hypocrite.

Of course I wouldn't, those people can't level buildings with their mind in a fit of pique or act as dimensional doorways for demons that can turn a child into a relentless killing machine.

Well now you're changing the goalposts. You said mages had to be imprisoned because they might hurt people. You never said anything about the scale of damage; not that it's relevant, because assuming someone will do something just because they possess the capacity is still nonsensical bigotry.

And what are you going to tell the victims of the mundane serial killer?

"Oh, I could've protected you, but I decided your problem wasn't important enough."

How it is irrelevant? I doubt that you would like having living unstable nuclear bomb in neighborhood , mages aren't just only dangerous because they can be corrupted and most peoples with such powers as mages have would become corrupted and we saw that many disasters are caused not by abomnations but mages,And now we are going into abomnation part when comes unstable nuclar bomb part that mage even if trained still love just turn into abomnation and if you want go with excuses templar are bad they had depression or something i will add that life is full of excuses.

Is that someone want kill or imprison mages justified sure why not everything can be however simple part imprison don't work because we have many disasters caused by mages anyway and now their rebellion so circles doesn't work when it comes about safety neither mages or non-mages have it.  

[Dave of Canada]

Lebdood wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

If their attacker had instead been a perfectly mundane serial killer, would you take that as justification to imprison everyone with the capacity to wield a weapon? Everyone with the strength to commit murder with their bare hands? Everyone with the intelligence to concoct a poison?

Of course, your average person isn't born with a machine gun for arms.

Reminds of that one quote. What was it again?

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

So even if they were born with machine gun arms, they shouldn't be imprisoned for having them.

They'd instead be put in quarantine or executed due to the gun having a chance of going off without warning. I'd go with executed if we're talking about our own ancestors.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 01 décembre 2013 - 12:08 .

[Plaintiff]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

If their attacker had instead been a perfectly mundane serial killer, would you take that as justification to imprison everyone with the capacity to wield a weapon? Everyone with the strength to commit murder with their bare hands? Everyone with the intelligence to concoct a poison?

Of course, your average person isn't born with a machine gun for arms.

Reminds of that one quote. What was it again?

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

So even if they were born with machine gun arms, they shouldn't be imprisoned for having them.

They'd instead be put in quarantine or executed due to the gun having a chance of going off without warning. I'd go with executed if we're talking about our own ancestors.

And that would still be totally wrong. Especially in the US or Canada, where people who are not born with machine gun arms have the freedom to carry firearms around by choice even though they are just as likely to "go off without warning" as a man with a gun on his body is.

[Dean_the_Young]

Plaintiff wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

If their attacker had instead been a perfectly mundane serial killer, would you take that as justification to imprison everyone with the capacity to wield a weapon? Everyone with the strength to commit murder with their bare hands? Everyone with the intelligence to concoct a poison?

Of course, your average person isn't born with a machine gun for arms.

Reminds of that one quote. What was it again?

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

So even if they were born with machine gun arms, they shouldn't be imprisoned for having them.

They'd instead be put in quarantine or executed due to the gun having a chance of going off without warning. I'd go with executed if we're talking about our own ancestors.

And that would still be totally wrong. Especially in the US or Canada, where people who are not born with machine gun arms have the freedom to carry firearms around by choice even though they are just as likely to "go off without warning" as a man with a gun on his body is.

Well, that's where the analogy breaks down, since demonic possession is more likely than mundane crazy.

Of course, if we want to get to a more applicable analogy, of localized harm without intent or sin, plague carriers are a much better analogy. And quarantine is something we still do today for such people.

[Dave of Canada]

Plaintiff wrote...

And that would still be totally wrong.

No, it wouldn't.

Thus we reach the crux of the matter, no?

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Of course, if we want to get to a more applicable analogy, of localized harm without intent or sin, plague carriers are a much better analogy. And quarantine is something we still do today for such people.

I like the plague analogy a lot more, I find the whole sword/gun analogy doesn't work.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 01 décembre 2013 - 01:58 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm going to be an elf, whose specialty is blowing up other elfs and riding qunari and steering them with their horns.