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[TEWR]

EntropicAngel wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Maybe Entropic could be an atheist who doesn't project their hate into the setting.

Lol, I'll freely admit I'm not.

But i've seen this come up time and time again, and it's by people with bias.

I don't think I've EVER seen a topic here that said, "Does anyone actually hope the Maker is real? I sure do, because F elves!"

Personally, I believe the Maker is real and created lesser deities, like the Elven Creators.

[Plaintiff]

HiroVoid wrote...

Maybe Entropic could be an atheist who doesn't project their hate into the setting.

That wouldn't make his comments any less offensive. He's assuming that anyone who would want an 'evil god' in the setting is a) an atheist and a hateful person. Neither of those have to be the case.

There are many reasons why someone might want to see such a character in the setting. They might be a fundamentalist Christian who takes offense at the notion that there is any god besides their own. They might be fan of Lovecraft, and want to see Dragon Age implement some cosmicism themes.

Maybe they really, really like JRPGs.

It could be anything.

[StarLitStranger]

I am more curious to find out more about the black city. It would be awesome if it was the new deep roads. A crazy world beyond the fade and hopefully more chaotic. I think some of what the chantry says could be true. But there is no evidence in the Maker. That is kind of the point.

Pretty suspicious how ALL the gods (besides possibly the Dread Wolf) have turned their backs on the races of Thedas. That seems to be what they believe anyway.

Modifié par StarLitStranger, 30 novembre 2013 - 04:34 .

[Senya]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

No, because the God-figure in every third RPG on the planet is evil. Seriously.

Just like how all the elves are all carefree beings oppressed by the wicked, wicked humans.

Freud would have a field day! I'm sure he'd fit their mothers in there somewhere.

Or fathers. It depends on the gender.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

No.

[HiroVoid]

That wouldn't make his comments any less offensive. He's assuming
that anyone who would want an 'evil god' in the setting is a) an atheist
and a hateful person. Neither of those have to be the case.

There
are many reasons why someone might want to see such a character in the
setting. They might be a fundamentalist Christian who takes offense at
the notion that there is any god besides their own. They might be fan of
Lovecraft, and want to see Dragon Age implement some cosmicism themes.

Maybe they really, really like JRPGs.

It could be anything.

So why's it offensive to atheists to say there are atheists that want their belief projected in a game they enjoy?

Modifié par HiroVoid, 30 novembre 2013 - 04:35 .

[Dabrikishaw]

Even I think the Maker is real, but I only have one particular interest in him, and I resigned myself to the idea that my interest would never be allowed in the games.

[dreamgazer]

I can just imagine the bitching on this forum if they confirm or deny its existence, followed swiftly by repeat thread closures due to religious content and inane mud-slinging.

[Cainhurst Crow]

HiroVoid wrote...

That wouldn't make his comments any less offensive. He's assuming
that anyone who would want an 'evil god' in the setting is a) an atheist
and a hateful person. Neither of those have to be the case.

There
are many reasons why someone might want to see such a character in the
setting. They might be a fundamentalist Christian who takes offense at
the notion that there is any god besides their own. They might be fan of
Lovecraft, and want to see Dragon Age implement some cosmicism themes.

Maybe they really, really like JRPGs.

It could be anything.

So why's it offensive to atheists to say there are atheists that want their belief projected in a game they enjoy?

Because the truth hurts. And blaming the messenger I'd easier then admitting there are jerks in their club.

[Senya]

EntropicAngel wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

No, because the God-figure in every third RPG on the planet is evil. Seriously.

Just like how all the elves are all carefree beings oppressed by the wicked, wicked humans.

Freud would have a field day! I'm sure he'd fit their mothers in there somewhere.

Or fathers. It depends on the gender.

Well Freud was obsessed with his mother so he always placed it on the mothers. He'd work it in somehow:

Actually, I think he also wrote that women grew up jealous of their mothers and in love with their fathers....

God, he'd love to have met Anora.

But, I think he might have had mother issues too.

[Afro_Explosion]

Modifié par mx_keep13, 30 novembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[Plaintiff]

HiroVoid wrote...

That wouldn't make his comments any less offensive. He's assuming
that anyone who would want an 'evil god' in the setting is a) an atheist
and a hateful person. Neither of those have to be the case.

There
are many reasons why someone might want to see such a character in the
setting. They might be a fundamentalist Christian who takes offense at
the notion that there is any god besides their own. They might be fan of
Lovecraft, and want to see Dragon Age implement some cosmicism themes.

Maybe they really, really like JRPGs.

It could be anything.

So why's it offensive to atheists to say there are atheists that want their belief projected in a game they enjoy?

It's offensive to claim that anyone, atheist or not, has some sort of grudge against an intangible force, and that they somehow need their 'hatred' validated in fiction. It's also offensive to scapegoat atheists for being petty while conveniently ignoring the tendency of religious fundamentalists to spew all sorts of vile sentiments against fiction they dislike.

I'm not saying atheists are never petty, but I am saying that they never showed up in droves to burn copies of Harry Potter or tried to stop people from seeing The Golden Compass.

Atheists are more than capable of appreciating a work that has religious themes.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 30 novembre 2013 - 04:54 .

[Senya]

EntropicAngel wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Actually, I think he also wrote that women grew up jealous of their mothers and in love with their fathers....

God, he'd love to have met Anora.

But, I think he might have had mother issues too.

Ah, I see.

And, ya think? Heh, I'm pretty sure most of what he said was projecting.

Hey, it was accepted as gospel truth for a long time. His theories are still taught that way in one university if I remember correctly.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 30 novembre 2013 - 04:49 .

[Senya]

EntropicAngel wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Hey, it was accepted as gospel truth for a long time. His theories are still taught that way in one university if I remember correctly.

He was talked about in our psychology class at my college. It didn't take very long to spot the similiarities in all of his statements.

Yeah. It was the same way with me and my brother. I supposed they took the similarity as consistency in his theories.

[Rawgrim]

I like to have some mystery with fantasy settings, so I think I would prefer it if the Maker just remains an unanswered question.

[Dayze]

StarLitStranger wrote...

I am more curious to find out more about the black city. It would be awesome if it was the new deep roads. A crazy world beyond the fade and hopefully more chaotic. I think some of what the chantry says could be true. But there is no evidence in the Maker. That is kind of the point.

Pretty suspicious how ALL the gods (besides possibly the Dread Wolf) have turned their backs on the races of Thedas. That seems to be what they believe anyway.

Well; they didn't "all" turn away, like with The Dread Wolf situation anyways.....they were trapped in their respective places underground and in the sky (The Stone and The Fade?).

Considering that dragons can be trapped in the "Stone"......that Lyrium is referred to as "The Blood of the Gods" and factoring in the "dragon like" scales Corypheus had.....

The Profane were "feeding on the gods/red lyrium".....maybe drinking lyrium is quite literally drinking the life forces of various gods/entities trapped in the Fade/The Stone?

Darkspawn make things Organic and wierd in their presence, even stone.
Red Lyrium makes things basically be big piles of Red Lyrium after awhile.
Regular Lyrium makes people look inhuman and going by Corpheus that seems to be big ol' scales all over them.

Lyrium boost magic potential/power source, The Taint can exist as an alternate power source to do much of the same things as magic.  Red Lyrium also gives crazy powers to non/low magical beings, it seems to give the most direct power and at the most direct/quickest transformation.

It can take awhile for "The Taint" to overwhelm you and Lyrium can take years of frequent use for someone to end up looking like a Magister but Red Lyrium is basically "wham, bam, now Monster Man".  

There is also something darker about "The Taint" as mentioned by Avernus.

That being said; all three seem to lead to issues of Psychological/Mental damage over the years; drinking dragons blood (possibly Wyverns too) can lead to a similiar kind of damage as well.

[KC_Prototype]

I don't care for a malevolent maker because it takes way from what he is supposed to be. Let the Chantry be right about him 95%.

[Afro_Explosion]

Why does someone have to be wrong multiple pantheons can occupy the same world

[Red Panda]

A malevolent maker, no.

An uncaring amoral maker, sure.