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[TheButterflyEffect]

A God that simply abandons all of its creations already IS evil.

[f37]

Sure, sounds like fun. Greater demon of delusion, lead half of Thedas right up the garden path but maybe became something more as a consequence (if spirits can go bad, maybe demons can go positive). End decision, reveal the "true" nature of the Maker to the faithful causing crisis versus hiding the truth and keeping the masses happy.

[Reznore57]

I don't want the Maker to be the bad guy.
And like JulianWellpit , by Maker I mean the entity /force which created Thedas.
I do not think the Maker put the Old gods in prison or created the veil , demons , spirits etc...
I don't even think Andraste met Him.

I just think with magic , in Thedas , someone can shape/change the world and get a godlike status.
It doesn't make them "divine" or anything .
It 's possible there is a "divine" force , with all the talk about the "light" , but it may be the purest form of magic ,the opposite of the taint , for example.

I really don't think the setting needs a ubber villain of doom , magic is chaotic enough .
I don't think the Chantry is 100% wrong , Maker or no , magic is still here ...you can't just leave this unchecked.I do not agree with all their method ,though .But there is some wisdom in "if you let power rule over your heart , you're doomed".

[TheButterflyEffect]

The Maker can lick my ancestor's boots. Stone forever! The Stone will never abandon us.

[HiroVoid]

What if there's an earthquake?

[Usergnome]

General TSAR wrote...

Fen'Harel is already malevolent according to the knife-ear heretics.

Are you suggesting the maker is Fen'Harel? YOU'RE the heretic!

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

The Maker can lick my ancestor's boots. Stone forever! The Stone will never abandon us.

Unless, you know, there is a cave-in and you're trapped underground to starve.

Modifié par Usergnome, 30 novembre 2013 - 05:01 .

[leaguer of one]

 Here's the maker...


That's soon going to be Thedus.

[leaguer of one]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

A God that simply abandons all of its creations already IS evil.

Someone has been reading Preacher.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 30 novembre 2013 - 06:00 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

No. The sh*tstorm it causes in the forums won't be glorious.

[Angrywolves]

Gaider will never allow our character to ever meet the Maker, so we'll never get to ask him.
Reminds me too much of FFXIII, 3 games and only the last one looks decent, with the L'sie and F'sie fighting and the F'sies wanting to die. Or was it the L'sies ?
Confusing of course. I think Laidlaw recognises issues with mysteries and confusion and wants to "solve " some of the mysteries , I doubt the mystery of the Maker and his departure will be one of them.

[Cainhurst Crow]

This thread isn't going places.

[LadyVaJedi]

I still think the Maker is Sandal

[Nohvarr]

No, I'd much rather have everyone's beliefs challenged. Like those that don't believe in the Maker actually find evidence of a benevolent creator/force that actually is working in the world in unexpected and positive ways. While those that do believe find evidence to the contrary suggesting that there is no Maker. I'd love for the Qunari to discover that their current interpretations of the Qun might be seriously flawed, while those who oppse the Qun learn that it wasn't meant to be enforced at sword point or supplant belief in the maker but was more a philosophy designed to promote the survival and success of a people over the wants of the individual.

I want Templars to face examples of Mages using magic to serve what is best in them, while Mages are forced to accept the fact that their own human weaknesses and prejudices can and do cause problems/disaster they can't blame on the Chantry.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What would be the purpose of pretending to be the Old Gods to the Tevinter dreamers? The reason the Imperium worshiped the Old Gods in the first place is because Thalsian claimed to have been contacted by Dumat himself.

Read my previous post. The source of The Taint would have wanted to get a foothold in the physical world and if The Old Gods are responsible for its imprisonemet, it would want them to be seen as bag guys and gone.

But I mean why pose as the Old Gods at all in order to do that? If the taint wanted to trick the magisters into elliminating the Old Gods, that's one thing but why did they need to pretend to be the Old Gods to teach Magisters blood magic in order to do that. If they hate the Old Gods, why help found a religion worshiping them? One that endured for very long time I might add.

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What would be the purpose of pretending to be the Old Gods to the Tevinter dreamers? The reason the Imperium worshiped the Old Gods in the first place is because Thalsian claimed to have been contacted by Dumat himself.

Read my previous post. The source of The Taint would have wanted to get a foothold in the physical world and if The Old Gods are responsible for its imprisonemet, it would want them to be seen as bag guys and gone.

But I mean why pose as the Old Gods at all in order to do that? If the taint wanted to trick the magisters into elliminating the Old Gods, that's one thing but why did they need to pretend to be the Old Gods to teach Magisters blood magic in order to do that. If they hate the Old Gods, why help found a religion worshiping them? One that endured for very long time I might add.

Perhaps through the worship of the old gods, this entity gained energy or power.

[Vulpe]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What would be the purpose of pretending to be the Old Gods to the Tevinter dreamers? The reason the Imperium worshiped the Old Gods in the first place is because Thalsian claimed to have been contacted by Dumat himself.

Read my previous post. The source of The Taint would have wanted to get a foothold in the physical world and if The Old Gods are responsible for its imprisonemet, it would want them to be seen as bag guys and gone.

But I mean why pose as the Old Gods at all in order to do that? If the taint wanted to trick the magisters into elliminating the Old Gods, that's one thing but why did they need to pretend to be the Old Gods to teach Magisters blood magic in order to do that. If they hate the Old Gods, why help found a religion worshiping them? One that endured for very long time I might add.

If the Old Gods act as seals to The Veil and Black City Prison they would want them gone. Prior to The Breaching Of The Veil  the dark entity/entities that I believe are trapped in The Black City wouldn't have any possible conection to the physical world and couldn't detect their location. I think that The Calling doesn't come from the Old Gods. I don't even belive it's a calling, but it's more like a signal send to the darkspawn so that they find the OG - like a GPS.

After The Breaching the entity had blighted individuals in the physical world and the prison was weak enough so that it could locate them. That's why the Old Gods apparently went silent. The Impersonators succeded in tricking the magisters in wickening the prison. They knew ( I'm going with multiple dark entities now) that humans are unable to destroy it, but they might be able to wicken it through blood magic. The only way to stop it is to either kill or taint the OG and transform them in his puppets and conduits, the Archdemons.

If people knew the real purpose of the OG, they would have tried to save their souls. That's the purpose of the Dark Ritual - to conserve their souls. If people would think they're evil  they will never try to save them.

EDIT

You might think why they go outside during Blights instead of digging.Here are some possible reasons.

1) Let's say that a Blight starts in Ferelden ( this supposition is separated from the lore ). Now, the closest OG is in Rivain. How would you prefer to do it ? 

Dig all the way do Rivain or go outside, kill some people on they way over there and when you're closer to him start digging.

Let's take it a shorter distance that doesn't involve digging around sea. The Blight stats in the same place - Ferelden. The closest OG is in Orlais. The same question ? Dig al the way from Ferelden to Orlais or fight some fereldans and orlesians, get close to the OG location and start digging. 

I want to mention that the OG are presumably  located underneath The Deep Roads and that many parts of the Deep Roads are colapsed.

2) More females => more broodmothers => more darkspawn diggers.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 30 novembre 2013 - 09:22 .

[MrMrPendragon]

We may never know for sure.

This is the Maker we are talking about - the central figure of the most prominent religion in Thedas. You can't or shouldn't really *prove* the existence of a god, or prove that the corresponding religion is absolutely true, because that would just ruin the whole point of faith (and religion).

That being said, I believe that the "Maker" will never be more than just theories here in BSN or just mere codex pages in the game.

But, even if anything related to the Maker (or any god figure) remains ambiguous, I still hope we get little hints/secrets about the nature of the Old Gods, the Maker, and the Elven Pantheon. It's really one of the biggest and most wonderful things about the lore of Dragon Age, and it would be a disappointment if we just ended the series with just questions that can be answered, even if it's isn't answered fully.

[Vandicus]

I don't see how that could be well written. Assuming the Maker is malevolent, he would either have to be very weak so as to justify why he hadn't succeeded in his nefarious plans(assuming he's a demon he's not even competent enough to cross the veil like other demons), or be such a convoluted plotter as to border on the absurd.

Given the Chantry's history, if the Maker is trying to be malevolent, he's done an awfully poor job of it. Should've just let the Imperium keep on doing their thing.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The maker is aizen, and we've all been under Kyōka Suigetsu this whole time.

[ImperatorMortis]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The maker is aizen, and we've all been under Kyōka Suigetsu this whole time.

Weeaboo talk in MY thread!?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

No the maker is Obito.

[Senya]

Nah, it's Jiraiya.

[ParkBom]

If the Maker is Jiraiya, does my Tsunade-like Inquisitor get some divine aid in her travels?

[Cainhurst Crow]

That would be the case, if madara weren't the one pulling all the strings.

[Vulpe]

Shall we try not to get this thread locked and remain on topic or at least talk about DA characters and lore ?