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[Plaintiff]

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

[leaguer of one]

zMataxa wrote...

Based on the characters and substories in the DA universe vs the ME universe - I wouldn't make a comparison between the two different dev groups. Did the DA group dev the SWTOR series?

Both writers from the da team and some from the ME team did Swtor.

[Cainhurst Crow]

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

You don't bump remedial math kids up into advance calculus just cause they say they can do it.

They gotta work their way up the progression chain, and demonstrate their ability with test. These test for bioware take the forms of their games, which have continually reverted back to their "there are two sides, black and white, and there is no room for middle ground" choice systesm. Whenever they deviated from this model, they have produced sub-par work.

So, until they can demonstrate they are capable of writing such issues in a non-insulting manner I will continue to not have faith in their ability to do so.

1. Bioware already has been doing this.
2. We alrady have a demon in the story who can be stated to be "not evil"...His name is Cole.

Evidence that cole is a demon and not a spirit. Please produce it.

What other type of Spirit eats the life energy of people to say in this plain out side of a demon?

Justice.

Wynnes spirit.

Nope. They were just bounded to a living thing or object. They did not eat anyones life energy. In fact, Wynne is only alive because of that spirit. How can it eat her life energ?

Sorry, but only demons are show to eat life energy in DAO.

Perhaps this is moving the goalpost, but why can't a spirt use magic from the Entropy school?

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

Modifié par leaguer of one, 01 décembre 2013 - 06:13 .

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

You don't bump remedial math kids up into advance calculus just cause they say they can do it.

They gotta work their way up the progression chain, and demonstrate their ability with test. These test for bioware take the forms of their games, which have continually reverted back to their "there are two sides, black and white, and there is no room for middle ground" choice systesm. Whenever they deviated from this model, they have produced sub-par work.

So, until they can demonstrate they are capable of writing such issues in a non-insulting manner I will continue to not have faith in their ability to do so.

1. Bioware already has been doing this.
2. We alrady have a demon in the story who can be stated to be "not evil"...His name is Cole.

Evidence that cole is a demon and not a spirit. Please produce it.

What other type of Spirit eats the life energy of people to say in this plain out side of a demon?

Justice.

Wynnes spirit.

Nope. They were just bounded to a living thing or object. They did not eat anyones life energy. In fact, Wynne is only alive because of that spirit. How can it eat her life energ?

Sorry, but only demons are show to eat life energy in DAO.

Perhaps this is moving the goalpost, but why can't a spirt use magic from the Entropy school?

But they can....http://dragonage.wik...ki/Desire_demon

Modifié par leaguer of one, 01 décembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Wasn't it great during the whole bhelen vs harrowmont thing that we never actually got to question the two about what their plans for the their rule would be? We had to rely on the criers, who were shown to just make stuff up on the spot, as our only source of information despite being able to meet both of them face to face?

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

We had to rely on the criers, who were shown to just make stuff up on the spot, as our only source of information despite being able to meet both of them face to face?

...And the people who will vote for them. And the people who will live under their rule.

Sorry, it's not a black and white choice here. The first time I played dao, I sacificly pick Bhlem because he would help the casteless, knowing full well how dirty he was.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 01 décembre 2013 - 06:18 .

[zMataxa]

leaguer of one wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

Based on the characters and substories in the DA universe vs the ME universe - I wouldn't make a comparison between the two different dev groups. Did the DA group dev the SWTOR series?

Both writers from the da team and some from the ME team did Swtor.

___________

Thanx Leaguer!
I'm still very optimistic it's a series evolutionary thing.

[metatheurgist]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Harrowmont vs Bhelan, harrowmont is presented as overwhealmingly the good choice.

Bioware pulled a bait and switch on that one. Bhelen ends up being a progressive that is good for dwarven culture, Harrowmont a conservative that insulates the dwarves and drives a wedge between them and the surface.

Computer games are by their nature binary. Writing 2 outcomes is effectively writing 2 games, they can give us N outcomes but that would be like writing N games. They can give us a good and a bad outcome, or they can give us 2 morally ambiguous depressing outcomes, then we'd be accusing them of being grimdark.

I don't get to play as many games as I used to so I'm wondering which games match your criteria for good writing in this department?

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

Modifié par eluvianix, 01 décembre 2013 - 06:38 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There's a sloth demon in the Brecillian Forest that lulls the party to sleep with the illusion of an inviting camp fire. After defeating it you see the bones of many of it's victims.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

http://dragonage.wik...recilian_Forest

There is an "abandoned" campsite near the The Grand Oak.Investigating any of the objects in the campsite leads to the party falling "asleep" and being attacked by a Greater shade. Only those with high willpower will be awake to fight it. Wynnemay use Vessel of the Spirit at the start of the fight. It is unknown whether that causes an exception to, or is the effect of an exception to, the the sleep effect. The spell would seem to allow Wynne to resist sleeping when she would not have on her own merits, ie., her Willpower. The lack of a stun for Wynne to suffer may mean there is a different spell by the same name in the game, or that the indicator was just a visual lie, perhaps meant to clarify the resistance.The Warden can also turn and try to leave the camp. If he or she did not examine any of the items in the camp the entire party will resist the illusion and stay awake.

[Cainhurst Crow]

metatheurgist wrote...

I don't get to play as many games as I used to so I'm wondering which games match your criteria for good writing in this department?

Fallout new vegas and it's freedom in the faction, choices, missions, and endings departments. I view games as still in a development stage, getting closer to allowing more choices and freedom to players but still a long ways off. New vegas I wouldn't even say comes closer, just closer then most of bioware games have.

Though I don't really play bioware gaems for their presentation of conflicts and such, or even story. I usually play it for the fun gameplay and good characters they present, with everything else being usually passable.

[Dean_the_Young]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

He's speaking of the sloth demons in the Bre- b- the elf forest of DAO. There's a campsite in which you are overcome with, well, sloth, and once you beat the baddies you realize a lot of people have died there. K

Now, as for eating life energy? Don't recall that. Slumber and, well, sloth just seems to be tied to the sloth demons. The desire demon in the tower didn't strike me as consuming life force as much as partaking in the templar's delusion. The closest I can think of otherwise is that the Blackmarsh pride demon/Duchess used people for blood magic.

[leaguer of one]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

He's speaking of the sloth demons in the Bre- b- the elf forest of DAO. There's a campsite in which you are overcome with, well, sloth, and once you beat the baddies you realize a lot of people have died there. K

Now, as for eating life energy? Don't recall that. Slumber and, well, sloth just seems to be tied to the sloth demons. The desire demon in the tower didn't strike me as consuming life force as much as partaking in the templar's delusion. The closest I can think of otherwise is that the Blackmarsh pride demon/Duchess used people for blood magic.

The Desire demon spacifily states she is using the templer to feed off and once he dies she will move on to another victiem. Added, the lore states spacifily that a demon can't stay out of the fade long with out possesing them... It also says this...
"Despite the numerous examples of demonic possession shades prove that demons do not have to possess in order to cross over. They are demons in their true form. In time, such a demon will learn to drain energy from the psyche of those it encounters, just as they did in the Fade. Once it has drained enough, it has the power to manifest. Such creatures do not seek to possess a host and instead exist as a shadow, feeding off the minds of those it encounters."

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demons

[Hellion Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

He's speaking of the sloth demons in the Bre- b- the elf forest of DAO. There's a campsite in which you are overcome with, well, sloth, and once you beat the baddies you realize a lot of people have died there. K

Now, as for eating life energy? Don't recall that. Slumber and, well, sloth just seems to be tied to the sloth demons. The desire demon in the tower didn't strike me as consuming life force as much as partaking in the templar's delusion. The closest I can think of otherwise is that the Blackmarsh pride demon/Duchess used people for blood magic.

The Baroness is pretty much the only demon who seemed to be actively draining life force, and that was merely to sustain and enhance her own.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

He's speaking of the sloth demons in the Bre- b- the elf forest of DAO. There's a campsite in which you are overcome with, well, sloth, and once you beat the baddies you realize a lot of people have died there. K

Now, as for eating life energy? Don't recall that. Slumber and, well, sloth just seems to be tied to the sloth demons. The desire demon in the tower didn't strike me as consuming life force as much as partaking in the templar's delusion. The closest I can think of otherwise is that the Blackmarsh pride demon/Duchess used people for blood magic.

The Baroness is pretty much the only demon who seemed to be actively draining life force, and that was merely to sustain and enhance her own.

The Baroness is not a demon. She is an abomination. A mages who is possesed. Also...

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demons

Despite the numerous examples of demonic possession shades prove that demons do not have to possess in order to cross over. They are demons in their true form. In time, such a demon will learn to drain energy from the psyche of those it encounters, just as they did in the Fade. Once it has drained enough, it has the power to manifest. Such creatures do not seek to possess a host and instead exist as a shadow, feeding off the minds of those it encounters.

[Dean_the_Young]

Bat32391 wrote...

I wouldn't mind seeing a demon that was some how warped into being good just like how justice turned into a demon.

Or just benign, really. While the demons are classified along the traditional sins, there are more than a few stories in which traditional sins are a source of character virtues or admirable traits.

Take, well, rage. We generally think of anger as a bad thing... but then, anger can be a powerful motivator and channeled into productive fields. Anger at an injust status quo can be a catalyst for driving social reform or justified revolution. I, personally, suspect that Vengeance would have been closer to a Rage demon than any other. Of the abominations with personalities we've seen, some have been goal-oriented... which could be a basis for cooperation and diplomacy. Enemy Mine, and all that.

The real trick, of course, is that the spirits and demons of Dragon Age don't appear to be the sort you can satisfy. No matter how much you fulfill their mental focus, they'll want more- which means a goal-oriented abomination, even if benign up to that point, probably won't be able to handle the aftermath of success. What does Vengeance!Anders do once the mages are freed and enemies dead? It would probably pick another cause to fixate on, and keeps on pursuing its precept.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing, and we can always work in a character delimma in which the atypical abomination, ala Anders, is concerned what they will do once they accomplish their goal.



Just to muse things out, here are some things I could see as interesting twists or basis for benign/cooperative demon/abomination encounters.


Rage

-Cold Fury. While Rage demons have typically been depicted as firery, like how anger generally is, I'd be interested in the sort of cold, iceblooded rage that doesn't detract from intelligence. Revenge and a dish served cold. Such a being could be open to cooperation in pursuit of their revenge, and could be cast as not lashing out blindly at others and keeping composure even when angered.

-Reformist Rage. Call it anger at the corruption in society. This could easily be cast as an alternative/similar aspect to the Justice/Vengeance type, and as it could easily be linked to a noble cause (say- anger at rapist chevaliers) the rage abomination could be channeled against something the players see as an acceptable target. This can tie into the Cold Fury concept.


Sloth

Sloth could be used to justify someone who, well, is lazy. Or who wants to be lazy (and harmless), and is willing to go to great lengths to go back to being so.

To be honest, I've never really seen why Sloth-abominations would be considered particularly bad, outside of when they're prodded to act by some other force or actor.



Desire

Man, there's a lot you could potentially do with desire demons, both as an abomination or as an outside influence. Since Desire can so easily be goal-based, having the abomination have an acceptable goal to desire and strive to could be a way to channel the abomination's imbalances. Whereas Connor's desire-pact was fulfilled with saving Eamon's life, and thus leaving Connor directionless and free to indulge in childish desires, a goal that is ever out-of-reach could be a focus to prevent such cruelties. Say a Knight who desire to regain his lost love- his desire is focused on the objective, and the demonic fixation/obsession limits other distractions.

On the other hand, a Desire demon that's more of a spectator that feeds off of the fulfilled/fulfilling the desires of others offers interesting prospects. In the Ferelden Circle we saw a Desire Demon bewitch but otherwise not harm a Templar that wanted a family. Variations of that, especially tempered by circumstance, would be easy to exploit.



Pride

Pride is tricky to write benign, as its so easy to turn a nettled ego into opposition. I'm not sure you could ever have a truly 'good' entity if it could go into a murderous rage at mockery. But if I had to suggest an aspect of pride to be a companion, I'd suggest 'Ambition' and tie it to a goal. Ambition is a sin through which you can see a lot of good and bad things result.

Griffith from Berserk is an example, admittedly one who went past the deep in and jumped off the cliff of evil. But the idea is pretty sound- a guy who wanted a kingdom, and whose ambition drove him to impressive accomplishments in the process. In the DA setting, we could have an Elf who wants an Elvish Land. Ambition to achieve such may require compromises and biting down ego to fulfill (justifying negotiation, patience, interaction). The targetted nature of the goal can benefit others (elves in the new kingdom), and could be pushed for good (those who benefit) and to evil (excess, paranoia).

[Dean_the_Young]

leaguer of one wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

He's speaking of the sloth demons in the Bre- b- the elf forest of DAO. There's a campsite in which you are overcome with, well, sloth, and once you beat the baddies you realize a lot of people have died there. K

Now, as for eating life energy? Don't recall that. Slumber and, well, sloth just seems to be tied to the sloth demons. The desire demon in the tower didn't strike me as consuming life force as much as partaking in the templar's delusion. The closest I can think of otherwise is that the Blackmarsh pride demon/Duchess used people for blood magic.

The Desire demon spacifily states she is using the templer to feed off and once he dies she will move on to another victiem. Added, the lore states spacifily that a demon can't stay out of the fade long with out possesing them... It also says this...
"[color=rgb(213, 212, 212)">Despite the numerous examples of demonic possession ] prove that demons do not have to possess in order to cross over. They are demons in their true form. In time, such a demon will learn to drain energy from the psyche of those it encounters, just as they did in the Fade. Once it has drained enough, it has the power to manifest. Such creatures do not seek to possess a host and instead exist as a shadow, feeding off the minds of those it encounters."[/color]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demons

...is the part about life force in the link or something? Because what you quoted just talked about 'drain energy from the psyche', which is about as vague and unspecific as you can get. That sounds more like emotion-sustenance to me, which is non-fatal (if unpleasant) in quite a few medium. Is the psyche energy a limited substance? Does it resupply itself? What happens if it goes down- does the person die, or just pass out?

I always took away from the Circle Templar and Desire demon not being that she was going to consume life force, but rather that she was getting off/sustained by his emotional desire. What was going to kill him wasn't so much the Desire Demon, but the delusion preventing him from caring for himself- starving to death, someone else killing him, or something similar. At which point, yeah, she'd move on, but not because she's a vampire.

[leaguer of one]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Bat32391 wrote...

I wouldn't mind seeing a demon that was some how warped into being good just like how justice turned into a demon.

Or just benign, really. While the demons are classified along the traditional sins, there are more than a few stories in which traditional sins are a source of character virtues or admirable traits.

Take, well, rage. We generally think of anger as a bad thing... but then, anger can be a powerful motivator and channeled into productive fields. Anger at an injust status quo can be a catalyst for driving social reform or justified revolution. I, personally, suspect that Vengeance would have been closer to a Rage demon than any other. Of the abominations with personalities we've seen, some have been goal-oriented... which could be a basis for cooperation and diplomacy. Enemy Mine, and all that.

The real trick, of course, is that the spirits and demons of Dragon Age don't appear to be the sort you can satisfy. No matter how much you fulfill their mental focus, they'll want more- which means a goal-oriented abomination, even if benign up to that point, probably won't be able to handle the aftermath of success. What does Vengeance!Anders do once the mages are freed and enemies dead? It would probably pick another cause to fixate on, and keeps on pursuing its precept.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing, and we can always work in a character delimma in which the atypical abomination, ala Anders, is concerned what they will do once they accomplish their goal.



Just to muse things out, here are some things I could see as interesting twists or basis for benign/cooperative demon/abomination encounters.


Rage

-Cold Fury. While Rage demons have typically been depicted as firery, like how anger generally is, I'd be interested in the sort of cold, iceblooded rage that doesn't detract from intelligence. Revenge and a dish served cold. Such a being could be open to cooperation in pursuit of their revenge, and could be cast as not lashing out blindly at others and keeping composure even when angered.

-Reformist Rage. Call it anger at the corruption in society. This could easily be cast as an alternative/similar aspect to the Justice/Vengeance type, and as it could easily be linked to a noble cause (say- anger at rapist chevaliers) the rage abomination could be channeled against something the players see as an acceptable target. This can tie into the Cold Fury concept.


Sloth

Sloth could be used to justify someone who, well, is lazy. Or who wants to be lazy (and harmless), and is willing to go to great lengths to go back to being so.

To be honest, I've never really seen why Sloth-abominations would be considered particularly bad, outside of when they're prodded to act by some other force or actor.



Desire

Man, there's a lot you could potentially do with desire demons, both as an abomination or as an outside influence. Since Desire can so easily be goal-based, having the abomination have an acceptable goal to desire and strive to could be a way to channel the abomination's imbalances. Whereas Connor's desire-pact was fulfilled with saving Eamon's life, and thus leaving Connor directionless and free to indulge in childish desires, a goal that is ever out-of-reach could be a focus to prevent such cruelties. Say a Knight who desire to regain his lost love- his desire is focused on the objective, and the demonic fixation/obsession limits other distractions.

On the other hand, a Desire demon that's more of a spectator that feeds off of the fulfilled/fulfilling the desires of others offers interesting prospects. In the Ferelden Circle we saw a Desire Demon bewitch but otherwise not harm a Templar that wanted a family. Variations of that, especially tempered by circumstance, would be easy to exploit.



Pride

Pride is tricky to write benign, as its so easy to turn a nettled ego into opposition. I'm not sure you could ever have a truly 'good' entity if it could go into a murderous rage at mockery. But if I had to suggest an aspect of pride to be a companion, I'd suggest 'Ambition' and tie it to a goal. Ambition is a sin through which you can see a lot of good and bad things result.

Griffith from Berserk is an example, admittedly one who went past the deep in and jumped off the cliff of evil. But the idea is pretty sound- a guy who wanted a kingdom, and whose ambition drove him to impressive accomplishments in the process. In the DA setting, we could have an Elf who wants an Elvish Land. Ambition to achieve such may require compromises and biting down ego to fulfill (justifying negotiation, patience, interaction). The targetted nature of the goal can benefit others (elves in the new kingdom), and could be pushed for good (those who benefit) and to evil (excess, paranoia).

Faith/ Pride
Justice/Vengence(RAGE)
Care/Desire
Serenity/Sloth

Modifié par leaguer of one, 01 décembre 2013 - 07:31 .

[snackrat]

I think they've been rather fuzzy on demonic nature. Some of their Lore says "they embody this trait" and certainly rage demons imply such.

In other places however, they say demons merely PREY on those traits, not necessarily exhibit them.
A desire demon specialises in promises to meet the desires of mortals.
The hunger demon of DAO: Warden Keep wanted to feed its own hunger, but the hunger demon of DAII (form of rock wraith) was drawn by the lyrium rock wraith's hunger first.
While Pride demons sometimes say "I am the best" most of their work consists of taking advantage of other people's pride by flattering them - flattery not being the nature of the proud.
The sloth demon of DAO (Circle Tower) tries to make YOU feel tired and capitalises on YOUR desire for a rest... and the sloth demon of DAII (Torpor), Merrill and Anders warn you that to fight off the demon, you don't relax around it, think active thoughts like running and jumping etc.

[leaguer of one]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Demons eat 'life energy'? I don't recall this ever being stated.

Desire demon in circle tower, feeding of the templar she caught....
Demon in the forest luring people to a fake camp site to feed off them....

?
Huh

He's speaking of the sloth demons in the Bre- b- the elf forest of DAO. There's a campsite in which you are overcome with, well, sloth, and once you beat the baddies you realize a lot of people have died there. K

Now, as for eating life energy? Don't recall that. Slumber and, well, sloth just seems to be tied to the sloth demons. The desire demon in the tower didn't strike me as consuming life force as much as partaking in the templar's delusion. The closest I can think of otherwise is that the Blackmarsh pride demon/Duchess used people for blood magic.

The Desire demon spacifily states she is using the templer to feed off and once he dies she will move on to another victiem. Added, the lore states spacifily that a demon can't stay out of the fade long with out possesing them... It also says this...
"[color=rgb(213, 212, 212)">Despite the numerous examples of demonic possession ] prove that demons do not have to possess in order to cross over. They are demons in their true form. In time, such a demon will learn to drain energy from the psyche of those it encounters, just as they did in the Fade. Once it has drained enough, it has the power to manifest. Such creatures do not seek to possess a host and instead exist as a shadow, feeding off the minds of those it encounters."[/color]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demons

...is the part about life force in the link or something? Because what you quoted just talked about 'drain energy from the psyche', which is about as vague and unspecific as you can get. That sounds more like emotion-sustenance to me, which is non-fatal (if unpleasant) in quite a few medium. Is the psyche energy a limited substance? Does it resupply itself? What happens if it goes down- does the person die, or just pass out?

I always took away from the Circle Templar and Desire demon not being that she was going to consume life force, but rather that she was getting off/sustained by his emotional desire. What was going to kill him wasn't so much the Desire Demon, but the delusion preventing him from caring for himself- starving to death, someone else killing him, or something similar. At which point, yeah, she'd move on, but not because she's a vampire.

The codex makes it a point that a demon can't live in this plain with out possesing someone or thing. So if those demons are still around with out doing so it has to do with they feeding. With the demon in the forest, you see bones of all it's victeims.

[leaguer of one]

Karsciyin wrote...

I think they've been rather fuzzy on demonic nature. Some of their Lore says "they embody this trait" and certainly rage demons imply such.

In other places however, they say demons merely PREY on those traits, not necessarily exhibit them.
A desire demon specialises in promises to meet the desires of mortals.
The hunger demon of DAO: Warden Keep wanted to feed its own hunger, but the hunger demon of DAII (form of rock wraith) was drawn by the lyrium rock wraith's hunger first.
While Pride demons sometimes say "I am the best" most of their work consists of taking advantage of other people's pride by flattering them - flattery not being the nature of the proud.
The sloth demon of DAO (Circle Tower) tries to make YOU feel tired and capitalises on YOUR desire for a rest... and the sloth demon of DAII (Torpor), Merrill and Anders warn you that to fight off the demon, you don't relax around it, think active thoughts like running and jumping etc.

Added, the sloth demon in the mage origin of dao is pretty lazy.

[Ash Wind]

Not really. Demons are so-named because of their nature. If one rebels, that would be one thing... could be interesting. But thieves are so named because the steal things that don't belong to them. Demons by their nature are negative, they would have to change in some manner to not be an enemy.