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[TheMyron]

For the Destroyers, this forum isn't exactly for you.

For those of you who chose Control, why did you pick it over Synthesis?

and Vice Versa,

For those of you who chose Synthesis, why did you pick it over Control?

I ask because these two endings have quite a bit in common; Shepard dies, the Reapers don't, plus EDI and the Geth live and are fully sentient, etc.

Modifié par TheMyron, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Ieldra]

I prefer Synthesis over Control because of the paternalistic vibe of Control. it's as if you have some god-analogue ruling the galaxy, while in Synthesis you "level up the galaxy".

Some of my Shepards choose Control over Synthesis because it is a less drastic change and in a Control scenario, Synthesis can be implemented over time with no need for a forced galaxy-wide intervention.

[Rasofe]

Hm. Well, Shepard dies completely in Synthesis. In Control, she at least retains consciousness.
I would never pick Synthesis because it's pitched as transcendental and is therefore wrong.
It eventually comes down to how much faith your Shepard places in goodwill of the Galaxy, If you legitimately believe the only way to achieve permanent peace is by minimalising diversity and supremacy, you'll pick Synthesis. If you think all that's necessary is just some flying blimps as guardians of the universe, you'll pick Control. If you think neither is necessary, you'll pick destroy. And if you think you can win the war without the crucible, you'll be forced to lose.

'Course, I'm a "destroyer", so the reason my Femshep chose Control instead of Destroy isn't because she thinks the Reapers are necessary to preserve peace, just that the Geth are gonna help the Quarians and everything and she really likes Quarians. Besides, she can live in Garrus' visor if he upgrades it with Reaper Oculus tech. My main Paragade Shepard, whose LI is Miranda, has no such luck. He promised to survive, so picking an option that prohibited that wouldn't be keeping his word... and he doesn't really want to die at all either way.

Modifié par Rasofe, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:20 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

Before the EC I picked control on my second play through, because I figured Shepard would just fly the Reapers into the sun and then deactivate herself. This way the Reapers would be destroyed without the massive damage to the relays or EDI and the Geth. Plus in my head I got to stick it to the kid, "Didn't expect that did you!"

Now that the EC is out I no longer choose Control (opting for Refuse) because the Reapers still exist as Shepard becomes the neoCatalyst, or whatever.

[Rotward]

I prefer synthesis because power corrupts. I wouldn't trust myself with control of the reapers, and I would trust anyone else with it.

[mass perfection]

Both of does endings have their own unique globalist propaganda. They're used for conditioning and reprogramming us to make THEIR future better. Hardcore evil. There's also propaganda om Destroy, too.

[SwobyJ]

I guess I'm a Destroyer, but on my first playthrough I picked Synthesis, and Control will be my last choice to make for alt-RP-Sheps.

I like EDI (except her bot appearance, bleh).

I don't want a story with a Shepard copy at the cost of Shepard. It's either him, or no him. Either inspire the galaxy, or live along with it naturally. No wishy-washy emulation of him
(or was Shepard2.0LazarusProject.exe an emulation all along? DUN DUN DUNNN)


I honestly think I hate Cerberus more than the Reapers. In a way, I mean. While I can go into imaginationland and theorize (even before ME3's first ending) that the Reapers might have this benevolent-ish idea about the galaxy and how to run it, Cerberus are just jerks.
Illusive Man, even knowing his backstory, I can't imagine him as anyone but a Lucifer analogue that messes things up just to mess it up and get more power.

So yeah, I don't trust Shepard taking the same path as him, no matter the other supposed conditions around it.

Pretty much me least to most favorite choices go in this order:
1)Low Control
2)Bottom Destroy
3)High Control
4)Low Destroy
5)Synthesis
6)High Destroy
7)Breath Destroy

I basically consider Control the 'Ok, the cost of Destroy is too much right now but you can't afford Synthesis, guess you'll go for Control which is ok but bad but ok'.

At least in Synthesis Shepard appears to fulfill SOME destiny, even if its of another.


ALL THIS BEING SAID, I don't view the endings quite literally, so yeah, if Synthesis truly does come down to friendly husks, it can go burn and I'll at least pick Control. Yikes. Mrs. Banshee can STAY AWAY.

[SwobyJ]

mass perfection wrote...

Both of does endings have their own unique globalist propaganda. They're used for conditioning and reprogramming us to make THEIR future better. Hardcore evil. There's also propaganda om Destroy, too.

If anything, they're just commentary on globalism/transhumanism.

Sorry, I know a bunch of these game devs and they're just super nerds that like these ideas, and publishers are neutral about it as long as they get their money.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:47 .

[Rasofe]

Rotward wrote...

I prefer synthesis because power corrupts. I wouldn't trust myself with control of the reapers, and I would trust anyone else with it.

Fun fact: psychological studies on conformity have shown that people are far more likely to claim they are not worthy of leadership in public than to admit so privately.
Something to think about.

[SwobyJ]

Rasofe wrote...

Rotward wrote...

I prefer synthesis because power corrupts. I wouldn't trust myself with control of the reapers, and I would trust anyone else with it.

Fun fact: psychological studies on conformity have shown that people are far more likely to claim they are not worthy of leadership in public than to admit so privately.
Something to think about.

:devil:

[Obadiah]

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

[Rasofe]

I don't know why you think it's a copy of Shepard running the Reaper though. If the space magic was enough to turn synthetics and organics into some kind of hybrid, it would be enough to transfer consciousness. Given that ControlShepard doesn't refer to the other Shepard as a completely separe being "The woman I once was", it's reasonably the same mind, not an emulation.

[SwobyJ]

Obadiah wrote...

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

It can be considered the safe/saving choice, as long as you're not overly attached to ME1-ME3 Shepard or concerned about the Reapers going off on everyone.

"Just building another Crucible" required a nearly united galaxy and I wouldn't be surprised if the Reapers held back regarding it, so I'd not just go "Oh they can just make another" lightly.

[Rasofe]

Obadiah wrote...

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

You think Shepard's just gonna stand there and let the next superhero replace her?
Nuh-uh. She'll say that destroy will castrate all organic males, control will kill the next persons love interest, and synthesis will turn alcohol into aspirin.
No one is gonna accept those endings.

[mass perfection]

SwobyJ wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Both of does endings have their own unique globalist propaganda. They're used for conditioning and reprogramming us to make THEIR future better. Hardcore evil. There's also propaganda om Destroy, too.

If anything, they're just commentary on globalism/transhumanism.

Sorry, I know a bunch of these game devs and they're just super nerds that like these ideas, and publishers are neutral about it as long as they get their money.

The fact that they like those ideas is terrifying. Video games are being used for propaganda. Mass Effect has a ton of it. From feminist propaganda to eugenics propaganda and transhumnism and many, many more. And they all lead to the ultimate, evil, goal of a technocratic totalitarian world government. Who knows where they'll go from there.

[Obadiah]

Rasofe wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

You think Shepard's just gonna stand there and let the next superhero replace her?
Nuh-uh. She'll say that destroy will castrate all organic males, control will kill the next persons love interest, and synthesis will turn alcohol into aspirin.
No one is gonna accept those endings.

Get over it.

Modifié par Obadiah, 30 novembre 2013 - 09:05 .

[Rasofe]

SwobyJ wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

It can be considered the safe/saving choice, as long as you're not overly attached to ME1-ME3 Shepard or concerned about the Reapers going off on everyone.

"Just building another Crucible" required a nearly united galaxy and I wouldn't be surprised if the Reapers held back regarding it, so I'd not just go "Oh they can just make another" lightly.

Then why would you pick Synthesis if you're attached to Shepard? Shepard dies completely in that ending.

[SwobyJ]

Rasofe wrote...

I don't know why you think it's a copy of Shepard running the Reaper though. If the space magic was enough to turn synthetics and organics into some kind of hybrid, it would be enough to transfer consciousness. Given that ControlShepard doesn't refer to the other Shepard as a completely separe being "The woman I once was", it's reasonably the same mind, not an emulation.

Any Shepard, as far as we've been shown, in a Reaper mind, isn't the same thing as a blood-and-flesh one. It may be the same consciousness, but it has advanced/changed so much that it only *emulates* the original Shepard, instead of just being him/her. The danger of Control is that if the new Intelligence loses that connection to 'being' Shepard, the whole madness could begin again (but each ending has their dangers anyway).

Now, we can disagree on that. There's also some bits in my personal theories that go against what I even just said..

[SwobyJ]

mass perfection wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Both of does endings have their own unique globalist propaganda. They're used for conditioning and reprogramming us to make THEIR future better. Hardcore evil. There's also propaganda om Destroy, too.

If anything, they're just commentary on globalism/transhumanism.

Sorry, I know a bunch of these game devs and they're just super nerds that like these ideas, and publishers are neutral about it as long as they get their money.

The fact that they like those ideas is terrifying. Video games are being used for propaganda. Mass Effect has a ton of it. From feminist propaganda to eugenics propaganda and transhumnism and many, many more. And they all lead to the ultimate, evil, goal of a technocratic totalitarian world government. Who knows where they'll go from there.

Transhumnism indeed.

I've been to the stuff you're talking about. I probably know more about it than you do. But people, even and especially elites, are not that smart.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 30 novembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[mass perfection]

Obadiah wrote...

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

You must like the idea of a one-galctic-government police state.

[ImaginaryMatter]

SwobyJ wrote...

Rasofe wrote...

I don't know why you think it's a copy of Shepard running the Reaper though. If the space magic was enough to turn synthetics and organics into some kind of hybrid, it would be enough to transfer consciousness. Given that ControlShepard doesn't refer to the other Shepard as a completely separe being "The woman I once was", it's reasonably the same mind, not an emulation.

Any Shepard, as far as we've been shown, in a Reaper mind, isn't the same thing as a blood-and-flesh one. It may be the same consciousness, but it has advanced/changed so much that it only *emulates* the original Shepard, instead of just being him/her. The danger of Control is that if the new Intelligence loses that connection to 'being' Shepard, the whole madness could begin again (but each ending has their dangers anyway).

Now, we can disagree on that. There's also some bits in my personal theories that go against what I even just said..

Understandable, the Shepard clone (I know apples to oranges) showed that having 'Shepardness' doesn't automatically make you a good Shepard.

[mass perfection]

SwobyJ wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Both of does endings have their own unique globalist propaganda. They're used for conditioning and reprogramming us to make THEIR future better. Hardcore evil. There's also propaganda om Destroy, too.

If anything, they're just commentary on globalism/transhumanism.

Sorry, I know a bunch of these game devs and they're just super nerds that like these ideas, and publishers are neutral about it as long as they get their money.

The fact that they like those ideas is terrifying. Video games are being used for propaganda. Mass Effect has a ton of it. From feminist propaganda to eugenics propaganda and transhumnism and many, many more. And they all lead to the ultimate, evil, goal of a technocratic totalitarian world government. Who knows where they'll go from there.

Transhumnism indeed.

I've been to the stuff you're talking about. I probably know more about it than you do. But people, even and especially elites, are not that smart.

Transhumanism is what they'll use to gain complete control over us from motor control to thoughts. It'll also be used to keep track of every single one of us. That's the hidden theme of Synthesis.

[SwobyJ]

Rasofe wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I pick Control because it ends the war, doesn't alter everyone, and gives Shep a chance to influence the future of the cycles with the new Shepard AI entity. If the Reapers get out of hand, the cycle will just build another Crucible.

It can be considered the safe/saving choice, as long as you're not overly attached to ME1-ME3 Shepard or concerned about the Reapers going off on everyone.

"Just building another Crucible" required a nearly united galaxy and I wouldn't be surprised if the Reapers held back regarding it, so I'd not just go "Oh they can just make another" lightly.

Then why would you pick Synthesis if you're attached to Shepard? Shepard dies completely in that ending.

I'd rather have him human and alive, or dead completely, than being a Reaper consciousness. It really is just that, when it comes to the whole Shepard deal.

If I wanted the Reapers alive, I'd get them all smaller platforms to explore the world in. Maybe they'd calm the hell down on their own. Until then, giant BWAAAMMM machines are not something I'd want Shepard to be attached to.

[mass perfection]

SwobyJ wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Both of does endings have their own unique globalist propaganda. They're used for conditioning and reprogramming us to make THEIR future better. Hardcore evil. There's also propaganda om Destroy, too.

If anything, they're just commentary on globalism/transhumanism.

Sorry, I know a bunch of these game devs and they're just super nerds that like these ideas, and publishers are neutral about it as long as they get their money.

The fact that they like those ideas is terrifying. Video games are being used for propaganda. Mass Effect has a ton of it. From feminist propaganda to eugenics propaganda and transhumnism and many, many more. And they all lead to the ultimate, evil, goal of a technocratic totalitarian world government. Who knows where they'll go from there.

Transhumnism indeed.

I've been to the stuff you're talking about. I probably know more about it than you do. But people, even and especially elites, are not that smart.

Actually, they are. And for subjects they're ignorant to, they hire people who are experts on said subject to do the work for them.

[Rasofe]

That... doesn't make any sense. There are bits in your own theories that disagree with your perception?
The thing that distinguishes any individual is their consciousness, not their personality or intelligence, anyway. So it couldn't be an emulation if it's the same character but now in ownership of all Reapers.
I mean, if we start saying that brain-alteration validates that the person is no longer the same, we blow the whole premise of Shepard being the same person between ME1 and ME2 out the window. And then the whole story collapses.