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[SwobyJ]

Ohh yes. And much more.

youtu.be/xdEMZqga-yM

YOU PLAY! EASY! FIND LADY!

OOOO, YOU LOSE 


youtu.be/jYUwt5qBqCQ

Mac's probably some smart-ass salarian bastard.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 30 novembre 2013 - 10:37 .

[Deathsaurer]

Rasofe wrote...

That... doesn't make any sense. There are bits in your own theories that disagree with your perception?
The thing that distinguishes any individual is their consciousness, not their personality or intelligence, anyway. So it couldn't be an emulation if it's the same character but now in ownership of all Reapers.
I mean, if we start saying that brain-alteration validates that the person is no longer the same, we blow the whole premise of Shepard being the same person between ME1 and ME2 out the window. And then the whole story collapses.

It's like Barkley from Star Trek TNG when he hooked himself up to the Enterprise computer. Same person but his perspective had been altered so drastically he behaved nothing like he had previously. You can't assimilate that much data without being force to re-evaluate your perspective on things.

Of course Stargazer implies nothing bad happened with The Shepard.

[SwobyJ]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Rasofe wrote...

That... doesn't make any sense. There are bits in your own theories that disagree with your perception?
The thing that distinguishes any individual is their consciousness, not their personality or intelligence, anyway. So it couldn't be an emulation if it's the same character but now in ownership of all Reapers.
I mean, if we start saying that brain-alteration validates that the person is no longer the same, we blow the whole premise of Shepard being the same person between ME1 and ME2 out the window. And then the whole story collapses.

It's like Barkley from Star Trek TNG when he hooked himself up to the Enterprise computer. Same person but his perspective had been altered so drastically he behaved nothing like he had previously. You can't assimilate that much data without being force to re-evaluate your perspective on things.

Of course Stargazer implies nothing bad happened with The Shepard.

Yep! TNG is a great reference point for some stuff happening in Mass Effect (but also Hyperion and more).

And don't worry. Bioware doesn't just screw over their players with major choices (EDIT: At least in Mass Effect. I mean they don't just ignore choices or go INSTAGAMEOVER from them). The show must go on. Or not. Whatever. It'll be fine.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 30 novembre 2013 - 10:45 .

[iOnlySignIn]

TheMyron wrote...

For those of you who chose Control, why did you pick it over Synthesis?

It makes a bit of sense.

[SwobyJ]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

For those of you who chose Control, why did you pick it over Synthesis?

It makes a bit of sense.

Yeah, Control can often be picked by the more structurally minded.

I let my imagination go in every damn direction, so Synthesis appeals to me in that sense. Control seems to, uh, restrictive. But it makes far more obvious sense.

[TheMyron]

In Control, an new A.I. is born, it carries Shepard's memories, but it is NOT Shepard... The A.I. itself admits the real person is dead, and that its little different than a clone. So, you can't even "head-canon" post control...

[Everyone Is Someone]

My different Shepards pick different endings because they each have their own preferences. From my own perspective as a player, though,, I prefer Control over Synthesis because it's the ending that makes the most sense to me.

In Synthesis, we're creating a "new DNA" which somehow is better... for some reason...? Does my microwave have feelings now? Do the asari have to change batteries?

In Destroy, how does the crucible identify synthetic life? How does it destroy it? Is the red beam some sort of super-hacker?

In Control, we begin with the premise the Reapers are controlled by an AI. Shepard changes the AI. It's that simple. Plus all the races you've helped can survive.

Sure, having the Reapers still around is problematic, but a problematic universe can be part of the fun!

[His Name was HYR!!]

TheMyron wrote...

For those of you who chose Synthesis, why did you pick it over Control?

I like both endings because, as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.

I prefer Green though because the "spoils" are spread out and shared by the people. In Blue, it all goes to one entity.

[His Name was HYR!!]

TheMyron wrote...

In Control, an new A.I. is born, it carries Shepard's memories, but it is NOT Shepard... The A.I. itself admits the real person is dead, and that its little different than a clone. So, you can't even "head-canon" post control...

That really comes down to what you believe it means to be you.

For some folks, it's your thoughts and memories (basically everything mental, and not necessarily physical) that make you who you are, and so (to them) "you" would still exist even if one placed those thoughts/memories into a synthetic body.

In real life, I'd reject this notion. But in the Mass Effect universe, I suppose I can accept it. Different rules.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 01 décembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[Deathsaurer]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

That really comes down to what you believe it means to be you.

For some folks, it's your thoughts and memories (basically everything mental, and not necessarily physical) that make you who you are, and so (to them) "you" would still exist even if one placed those thoughts/memories into a synthetic body.

In real life, I'd reject this notion. But in the Mass Effect universe, I suppose I can accept it. Different rules.

Well there is that whole Keiji thing... I'll stop now.

[NeonFlux117]

Control is better. Synthesis is silly and dumb meta crap. I like the notion of control. Despite TIM being a bit indoctrinated and cray cray. He had good ideas-

fighting the collectors
Bringing back shep.
SR2 and EDI
controlling the reapers and using their tech against them.

He just got a bit too close and done herpaderped at the end. Sad really. Cause I thought ole' blue eyes had style.

[SilJeff]

I like control because unlike destroy, I'm not killing off any race myself in the process, and the only "forced" thing is the reapers are forced to repair things like the citadel and the relays, and I can take the reapers back to dark space to protect the galaxy from invasion from another galaxy, and leave the people in the milky way to their own business.

Synthesis is my least favorite (not counting refuse) because while there would be benefits to what the ending gives, I'm sure some wouldn't want to be forced to change their own physical being.


Now, my renegade shepard would just choose destroy and call it a day, but my paragon shepard will definitely choose Control

[Daemul]

TheMyron wrote...

In Control, an new A.I. is born, it carries Shepard's memories, but it is NOT Shepard... The A.I. itself admits the real person is dead, and that its little different than a clone. So, you can't even "head-canon" post control...

Shepard is dead in the same way Jon Osterman is dead. AI Shepard and Dr Manhattan have such different perspectives and thought patterns from their original selves that one could say they are not the same people due, in part, to essentially becoming Gods, which would change the way one looks at things and how they perceive them. One could also say they were the same, as they still remember those they knew and cared about.

To steal Sovereigns line, AI Shepard and Dr Manhattan's minds reside in a realm of existence so far beyond our own that we cannot even imagine it.

It's cool that AI Shepard seems to have been inspired by Dr Manhattan though, right down to the transformation, with Shepard being disintegrated by blue electricity like Osterman was. 

[Daemul]

StreetMagic wrote...

Dr. Manhattan was an accident. Not a suicide. And he's extremely disinterested in just about everyone and everything. Not involved and control oriented like AI Shepard seems to want to be. I don't see the resemblance.

Didn't Osterman become more reclusive and disinterested over time? I don't think he was that way originally. Shepard will likely go through the same thing anyway, he will see the futility of the whole thing and leave. Tbh, if it was me I would leave the galaxy immediately, I know how frustrating organics can be with their inability to learn from their mistakes, I would leave them to their fate.

[Obadiah]

StreetMagic wrote...

Daemul wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Dr. Manhattan was an accident. Not a suicide. And he's extremely disinterested in just about everyone and everything. Not involved and control oriented like AI Shepard seems to want to be. I don't see the resemblance.

Didn't Osterman become more reclusive and disinterested over time? I don't think he was that way originally. Shepard will likely go through the same thing anyway, he will see the futility of the whole thing and leave. Tbh, if it was me I would leave the galaxy immediately, I know how frustrating organics can be with their inability to learn from their mistakes, I would leave them to their fate.

His main deal was how he saw time, I think.. Not just the galaxy. Past/Present/Future as one. That's a surefire way to get bored. I don't think AI Shepard has the same issue? He'll probably act a bit omniscient like the Catalyst, but even the Catalyst was able to be surprised and admitted to unknowns.

Doesn't Javik at one point say that to Synthetics time is an illusion, and that Organics are trapped by it?

[Obadiah]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

In Control, an new A.I. is born, it carries Shepard's memories, but it is NOT Shepard... The A.I. itself admits the real person is dead, and that its little different than a clone. So, you can't even "head-canon" post control...

That really comes down to what you believe it means to be you.

For some folks, it's your thoughts and memories (basically everything mental, and not necessarily physical) that make you who you are, and so (to them) "you" would still exist even if one placed those thoughts/memories into a synthetic body.

In real life, I'd reject this notion. But in the Mass Effect universe, I suppose I can accept it. Different rules.

In addition, Control Shep AI could be speaking metaphorically. The whole, "man I was", "through his death", and "through my birth" speech could be symbolic of somone undergoing an exception experience and becoming so changed that they feel they are a completely different person.

I think Shep died and the Shep-AI is a new entity, but it could be interpretted the other way.

[Daemul]

StreetMagic wrote...

Daemul wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Dr. Manhattan was an accident. Not a suicide. And he's extremely disinterested in just about everyone and everything. Not involved and control oriented like AI Shepard seems to want to be. I don't see the resemblance.

Didn't Osterman become more reclusive and disinterested over time? I don't think he was that way originally. Shepard will likely go through the same thing anyway, he will see the futility of the whole thing and leave. Tbh, if it was me I would leave the galaxy immediately, I know how frustrating organics can be with their inability to learn from their mistakes, I would leave them to their fate.

His main deal was how he saw time, I think.. Not just the galaxy. Past/Present/Future as one. That's a surefire way to get bored. I don't think AI Shepard has the same issue? He'll probably act a bit omniscient like the Catalyst, but even the Catalyst was able to be surprised and admitted to unknowns.

I think Manhattan said that he couldn't act on that knowledge of the future since he believes his actions and reactions to event's are predetermined if I remember correctly, so even he is limited it seems. I don't think the Catalyst could perceive time like Manhattan could, maybe due to being shackled, AI Shepard though, I'm not sure. He doesn't have the limitations the Catalyst did, so maybe.

We don't really know what happens when the mind of a Human is merged with an AI, Shepard could become like JC Helios from Deus Ex Invisible War.

[Seival]

I like Control initial outcome.
I like Synthesis long-term outcome.
So my choice is Control with Synthesis as an inevitable long-term outcome.

[SwobyJ]

Seival wrote...

I like Control initial outcome.
I like Synthesis long-term outcome.
So my choice is Control with Synthesis as an inevitable long-term outcome.

This is actually one of those times I at least somewhat agree with Seival. However, I put it:

-I like some of Destroy's short-term outcome (Reapers pay, Shepard's human form lives, galaxy clear of synthetic issues for a time)
-I like some of Control's mid-term outcome (Geth make it, EDI makes it, knowledge banks of Reapers kept, people might learn how to counter rampaging synthetics better)
-I like some of Synthesis' long-term outcome (the big part is the concept of moving past this plane of existence)


I think peace was quite possible (sans Reapers) without Synthesis because I felt the story was well on its way with Rannoch peace. I don't really care about EDI lerning howe to luv. I think she was doing just fine before that, same as how I prefer the geth's Dyson plan before Reaper code was involved. Synthesis might be an interesting choice for those who failed at Rannoch peace (but had a Shep that still tried to do it) - Synth may be seen as a way to attempt in atoning for that.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 01 décembre 2013 - 07:31 .

[General TSAR]

Both are equally disgusting.

Omnipotent overlord with planetcracking dreadnoughts vs. Brainwashed and forever immortal while connected with billions of minds.

Cholera vs. Ebola.

Modifié par General TSAR, 01 décembre 2013 - 07:59 .