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[ImperatorMortis]

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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Tevitner by far. It's not even close.

[TheKomandorShepard]

both are screwd up in own twisted ways

[ImperatorMortis]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Tevitner by far. It's not even close.

Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:48 .

[HiroVoid]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Tevitner by far. It's not even close.

Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

How do we know that?

[RobRam10]

This thread is heresy.

[MisterJB]

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

Well, I've never encoutered a group of chevaliers scouring the Free Marches or Ferelden during times of peace, looking for people to rape.
Tevinter slavers, on the other hand...
Plus, at the moment(AKA, under Empress Celene), Orlais is focused on art and education while Tevinter is focused on fighting Qunari. Also, Orlais' foundation are not based on slave trade without which the whole empire would collapse; which is the case with Tevinter.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:52 .

[Hellion Rex]

Both have their issues, although I want to travel to both before I can accurately denounce one or the other.

[Karlone123]

HiroVoid wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Tevitner by far. It's not even close.

Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

How do we know that?

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

[TheKomandorShepard]

HiroVoid wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Tevitner by far. It's not even close.

Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

How do we know that?

Because this is bascily what we heard and saw like things about tevinter this country is bulit on
corruption even authorities make blind eye when it comes about breaking the law and not only that authorities drive on breaking law it is what their "game" is .

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:54 .

[ImperatorMortis]

RobRam10 wrote...

This thread is heresy.

This post is heresy! 

HiroVoid wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Tevitner by far. It's not even close.

Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

How do we know that?

Its pretty much common knowledge, and has been mentioned on many occasions. Chevaliers can get away with raping whomever, there was a Orlesian noble who kept children as sex slaves, not to mention how shifty, and two faced the Orlesians nobles are in general. 

I think the reason I see Orlais as worse is that they're all so two faced they put on heirs, and try to be seen in a positive light, but there's just so much excess, corruption, and abuse behind it, it makes me sick. 

At least the Tevinters are more or less honest about their issues. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:56 .

[HiroVoid]

Where was this mentioned?

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Why? Orlais is pretty awful to with its corruption of their nobles, not to mention that their chevaliers(and nobles) tend to be extremely rape happy. 

Well, I've never encoutered a group of chevaliers scouring the Free Marches or Ferelden during times of peace, looking for people to rape.
Tevinter slavers, on the other hand...
Plus, at the moment(AKA, under Empress Celene), Orlais is focused on art and education while Tevinter is focused on fighting Qunari. Also, Orlais' foundation are not based on slave trade without which the whole empire would collapse; which is the case with Tevinter.

To be fair though, how many times have we actually encountered Orlesian chevaliers? Not to pardon the slavers, of course. 

[ImperatorMortis]

HiroVoid wrote...

Where was this mentioned?

Where what was mentioned? I said a lot of stuff. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 30 novembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
To be fair though, how many times have we actually encountered Orlesian chevaliers? Not to pardon the slavers, of course. 

That is evidence that orlesian chevaliers are where they should be. In Orlais. Tevinter slavers are everywhere, preying on the weak.

Not that the rights of chevaliers couldn't use a good curbing, but it's still better than Tevinter.

[ImperatorMortis]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
To be fair though, how many times have we actually encountered Orlesian chevaliers? Not to pardon the slavers, of course. 

That is evidence that orlesian chevaliers are where they should be. In Orlais. Tevinter slavers are everywhere, preying on the weak.

Not that the rights of chevaliers couldn't use a good curbing, but it's still better than Tevinter.

Are we going to Orlais in DA:I? 

Inb4 its worse than Tevinter. 

Also Tevinter has Scorpion mounts. That excuses them of any atrocity. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 30 novembre 2013 - 09:05 .

[UC SIM]

Its all subjective. A different perspective will have different outcome.

From a real world perspective Tevinter is a weaker target than Orlais so probably enjoys more hatred than they otherwise would in comparison.

In game.

Qunari/Elves/Andrastians will have added disdain towards Tevinter. Qunari dislike mages, Elves because they are the target of their slaveries and the Andrastians believe the maker will return when the Tevinter sink into the sea.

Qunari/Elves/Navarra/Ferelden dislike Orlais. Qunari over the book of keslev(name?), Elves especially those of the Dalish dislike all Shems but I'm sure the Andrastian betrayal during the uprising against the Tevinter empire still fuels hatred.
Navarra and Ferelden have been/are at war with Orlais. In game we see considerable disdain for Orlais by many noted Fereldens, though they too dislike Tevinter(slavery/andastrians) however as for the other nations such as Anderfels/Rivian ect. I've no idea which they dislike more.

[Afro_Explosion]

Tevinter:blood magic slavery and corruption all under the roof of a decaying empire. Ah can you smell the atrocities.

[Axdinosaurx]

 Easily Tevinter, the magisters are far worse than the corrupt and petty nobles in Orlais.  

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Its really a question of which is most evil, and if we look at it that way it would be Tevinter. But Orlais well not as bad is still kinda awful.

[Vulpe]

I think that Orlais is on the road of becoming the New Tevinter Imperium. Still, they might have a chance of salvation with Celene. She seems to be the type of monarch they need, but which they don't deserve.

Now Tevinter still has the lead. I'm curious to see more opinions and info regarding the curent Tevinter. It might not be that bad as they say. Tevinter still has a bad reputation due to its past and it doesn't help in promoting the good parts.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 30 novembre 2013 - 09:27 .

[TEWR]

They're both objectively awful places, but Orlais is still better then Tevinter because Tevinter is seriously portrayed as MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Granted, Orlais isn't far off from becoming a new Tevinter (well, truthfully, the Chantry isn't).

Which, I get it's not going to be a pleasant place to live because of the slavery aspect and the whole blood magic ****, but it's made out to be just a nation of people wearing douchebag hats.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 novembre 2013 - 09:26 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Tevinter, from their sith practices of rule by fear and might, to their practice of blood magic and constant human sacrifice for simple power boosts, to their slavers who kidnap people across thedas to force them into servitude or sacrificial roles, and their treatment of elves that would make the most xenophobic orlesian cringe, they take the cake.

If not for the whole mage plight going on at the moment, this wouldn't even be a question worth considering, nor do I think there would be anyone who supports tevinter or tries to say the two countries are even in atrocities and quality.

[TEWR]

HiroVoid wrote...

Where was this mentioned?

Chevaliers raping people? The Stolen Throne, the girl in the Denerim market, a codex entry about the Orlesian Occupation, a codex entry in DAII.

Pretty bad really.