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[Jedi Master of Orion]

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Plus there is a story in World of Thedas where it mentions a mage trying to use blood magic to become "The Ascended Man" and he turned into an abomination "so horrific his apprentices tore their eyes out at the sight of him."

...Ok...How did they kill it?

It doesn't say. It was just an example a magister used to illustrate why blood magic is usually a bad idea.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 décembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[Star fury]

Karlone123 wrote...

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

Her brother shouldn't have struck a noble, it IS a crime. My Cousland protagonist told her as much.

[XX-Pyro]

JulianWellpit wrote...

I think that Orlais is on the road of becoming the New Tevinter Imperium. Still, they might have a chance of salvation with Celene. She seems to be the type of monarch they need, but which they don't deserve.

Now Tevinter still has the lead. I'm curious to see more opinions and info regarding the curent Tevinter. It might not be that bad as they say. Tevinter still has a bad reputation due to its past and it doesn't help in promoting the good parts.

She's a sightened guardian, a watchful protector- a dark knight.

[Texhnolyze101]

Orlais because they have stupid accents with the exception of Leliana of course.

[Vit246]

Orlais because they're French and French cheese-eating surrender monkeys. 

Modifié par Vit246, 02 décembre 2013 - 06:18 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

jaza wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Sweden

*angry pneumonic potato stuffed Danish seal noises*

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 02 décembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Lebanese Dude]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

jaza wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Sweden

*angry pneumonic potato stuffed Danish seal noises*

[DRTJR]

Star fury wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

Her brother shouldn't have struck a noble, it IS a crime. My Cousland protagonist told her as much.

Considering My City Elf Warden carved up a noble like a First day Turkey for the same offence that Orlesian acted in the right

[The Elder King]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Orlais because they have stupid accents with the exception of Leliana of course.

Great reason to hate a country.
I agree with DRTJR about the Orlesian Noble.

Modifié par hhh89, 02 décembre 2013 - 07:27 .

[Texhnolyze101]

hhh89 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Orlais because they have stupid accents with the exception of Leliana of course.

Great reason to hate a country.
I agree with DRTJR about the Orlesian Noble.

If they all sound like Isolde then they deserve to be hated.

[Star fury]

DRTJR wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

Her brother shouldn't have struck a noble, it IS a crime. My Cousland protagonist told her as much.

Considering My City Elf Warden carved up a noble like a First day Turkey for the same offence that Orlesian acted in the right

City elf had to be executed for that crime if not for the Grey Wardens, they're like the Night Watch or the Foreign Legion.

[Reaverwind]

KC_Prototype wrote...

Tevinter Obviously, they created the blight and have slaves.

And those gawdawful dresses identified as "robes".

[DRTJR]

Star fury wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

Her brother shouldn't have struck a noble, it IS a crime. My Cousland protagonist told her as much.

Considering My City Elf Warden carved up a noble like a First day Turkey for the same offence that Orlesian acted in the right

City elf had to be executed for that crime if not for the Grey Wardens, they're like the Night Watch or the Foreign Legion.

And eventually I became an Arl and my sister a Bann. The numbnut got what was coming to him.

[leaguer of one]

Star fury wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

Her brother shouldn't have struck a noble, it IS a crime. My Cousland protagonist told her as much.

Considering My City Elf Warden carved up a noble like a First day Turkey for the same offence that Orlesian acted in the right

City elf had to be executed for that crime if not for the Grey Wardens, they're like the Night Watch or the Foreign Legion.

Dear lord, It's sad that on bsn there's a person who thinks rape is not a crime and stopping is not a crime.

Sorry, but the noble should noy have free reign to do what ever they want to  on whome ever they want to.

[leaguer of one]

DRTJR wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Given by the Orlesian merchant in Denerim Market who told the Warden she escaped from Orlais after a noble tried to rape and was struck unconsious by her brother, that was a crime to strike a noble so they fled to Fereldan to avoid the Chevaliers.

Her brother shouldn't have struck a noble, it IS a crime. My Cousland protagonist told her as much.

Considering My City Elf Warden carved up a noble like a First day Turkey for the same offence that Orlesian acted in the right

City elf had to be executed for that crime if not for the Grey Wardens, they're like the Night Watch or the Foreign Legion.

And eventually I became an Arl and my sister a Bann. The numbnut got what was coming to him.

She's your cousin.(Your sister in your heart.)

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Tevinter is a example of why its dangerous to give mages freedom & rights like normal people, the magister's re took control & have god like power over everyone. Being a non mage can easily result in becoming a blood magic sacrifice.

[DPSSOC]

leaguer of one wrote...
Sorry, but the noble should noy have free reign to do what ever they want to  on whome ever they want to.

No the nobility shouldn't but the fact of the matter is they do.  Very few people, now or in the past, have ever had the luxury of living by laws as they feel they ought to be.  We don't get to decide, individually, when assault or murder are alright, we have laws and courts that decide that.  However morally justified their actions might be both the City Elf Warden and the Orlesian woman's brother broke the law, they committed a crime. and would have had to face the punishments for their crimes had they not fled.

On topic I'd say Tevinter is worse.  I've yet to hear stories of people being killed in Orlais as part of an amusing party trick.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 03 décembre 2013 - 04:01 .

[leaguer of one]

DPSSOC wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Sorry, but the noble should noy have free reign to do what ever they want to  on whome ever they want to.

No the nobility shouldn't but the fact of the matter is they do.  Very few people, now or in the past, have ever had the luxury of living by laws as they feel they ought to be.  We don't get to decide, individually, when assault or murder are alright, we have laws and courts that decide that.  However morally justified their actions might be both the City Elf Warden and the Orlesian woman's brother broke the law, they committed a crime. and would have had to face the punishments for their crimes had they not fled.

Which means we need changes in these laws fast.

[Angrywolves]

rapists don't deserve any quarter, so I agreed with the orlesian maid in the market.

[DPSSOC]

leaguer of one wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Sorry, but the noble should noy have free reign to do what ever they want to  on whome ever they want to.

No the nobility shouldn't but the fact of the matter is they do.  Very few people, now or in the past, have ever had the luxury of living by laws as they feel they ought to be.  We don't get to decide, individually, when assault or murder are alright, we have laws and courts that decide that.  However morally justified their actions might be both the City Elf Warden and the Orlesian woman's brother broke the law, they committed a crime. and would have had to face the punishments for their crimes had they not fled.

Which means we need changes in these laws fast.

Agreed, and there's a way to go about doing that, I assure you assault and murder have no place in it unless you're goal is just to make a system that's better for you and your ilk specifically.

[Goneaviking]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Its pretty much common knowledge, and has been mentioned on many occasions. Chevaliers can get away with raping whomever, there was a Orlesian noble who kept children as sex slaves, not to mention how shifty, and two faced the Orlesians nobles are in general. 

I think the reason I see Orlais as worse is that they're all so two faced they put on heirs, and try to be seen in a positive light, but there's just so much excess, corruption, and abuse behind it, it makes me sick. 

At least the Tevinters are more or less honest about their issues. 

This is pretty much how I see most of the anti-Orlais sentiment in the forum. 

Wholesale generalizations spun out of wild assumptions inspired by a handful of extreme cases and second hand stories mostly told by people who aren't exactly unbiased. Possibly reinforced by the conscious depiction of the culture as being vaguely French.

"...There's just so much excess, corruption and abuse..." 

Because the societies we've been exposed to directly ingame are so much better? Both the Free Marches and Ferelden have made a point of denigrating, emasculating and persecuting their elven population. From what we're told by Leliana in Origins (if you play an elf) they may be treated in a much more humane manner in Orlais than in any place we've seen so far.

Origins and DAII are both rife with authority figures, whether religious or secular, abusing their power with impunity. The city elf's origin story explicitly states that noble humans are able to rape and murder elves without fear of consequences - somehow it's worse if it's done by nobles with a romance language title and done on humans instead of elves.

As for corruption? The king's trusted advisor plotted, for months at the least, to murder his ruler to take over the throne. He went to the extent of recruiting a fugitive apostate bloodmage to poison one of the main political obstacles to his seizing power while acting as the tutor of his victim's child. The other likely claimant to the throne, i.e. the human nobles father, was murdered along with his family, soldiers, servants and houseguests by the traitor's right hand man who not only assumed his title but was given de facto dominion over Denerim under dubious circumstances. 

And nobody blinks. After all who'd question the orders of Teyrn Loghain? The greatest hero of Ferelden who rose himself up from the muck to liberate his homeland from the foreign overlords.

Tell me again how bad the Orlesians' country and culture is.

[Heimdall]

Orlais has its issues, but it's not so different from other countries in Thedas in regards to most them.

I'd say Tevinter's is worse if half the things Fenris said about it are true.

[Star fury]

leaguer of one wrote...

Dear lord, It's sad that on bsn there's a person who thinks rape is not a crime and stopping is not a crime.

Sorry, but the noble should noy have free reign to do what ever they want to on whome ever they want to.

I guess you're not considered a bsn poster, if people don't say that you condone rape.

[DRTJR]

Despite what Fenris said I would rather be an Elf in Tevinter because there is at least some small chance for upwards mobility in the evil Magetocrocy that in the evil French Monarchists. His sister was Danaris' understudy so she would have been a Magister at some point.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Hmmm, both are bad and corrupted, and I'd agree Trevinter is at least out in the open with it. I'd have to say that Trevinter is worse. When you step into the country of Trevinter you already know you might get killed in the streets.

In Orlais it seems from lore history and information you could get caught up in 'the game' and may not realize it at first. I think Orlais is more devious in their actions, more underhanded. With Trevinter it is more or less right out in the open and you know exactly where you might stand.