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[SporkFu]

they were nearly defeated by one geth dreadnought. What good are they going to be against a thousand reapers? Thought just came to me as I'm finishing the Geth:Dreadnought mission. Admiral Raan just panicked her way into the conversation by saying the heavy fleet is collapsing.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the quarians, I always have. Except for Tali, I don't recall meeting another quarian in ME1, but I still liked the concept of them as a people.

[sr2josh]

Because 99% of their ships are glass cannons.

[NeonFlux117]

They also have the dumbest fleet in the galaxy and are suit rats that smell....... I have an "inside" source about these things. Super cereal bout that.

[Clayless]

Makai81 wrote...

Because 99% of their ships are glass cannons.

[Deathsaurer]

Makai81 wrote...

Because 99% of their ships are glass cannons.

Funfact, 100% of current ships are glass cannons against Reaper dreadnoughts.

[andy6915]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

They also have the dumbest fleet in the galaxy and are suit rats that smell....... I have an "inside" source about these things. Super cereal bout that.

You was one of the people posting in that infamous "what does Quarian sweat smell and taste like" thread, weren't you?

[Dean_the_Young]

SporkFu wrote...

they were nearly defeated by one geth dreadnought. What good are they going to be against a thousand reapers? Thought just came to me as I'm finishing the Geth:Dreadnought mission. Admiral Raan just panicked her way into the conversation by saying the heavy fleet is collapsing.

The game pretty much tells you straight out that the value of the migrant fleet is logistics. That's why you're sent to get them- to get ships to move **** around.

Are they effective against Reaper dreadnaughts? No. Is anything in the ME galaxy during ME3? Not really.

[Daemul]

That's what happens when you arm your liveships, ships not at all suitable for space combat. Joker was right when he described it as "Arming your kids school bus".

[Fixers0]

I always was disturbed by the fact that there appearend to be just two quarian shiptypes despite the narrative telling us that that ships from the migrant fleet have all different kinds of origins.

[LegioDamnatus]

Fixers0 wrote...

I always was disturbed by the fact that there appearend to be just two quarian shiptypes despite the narrative telling us that that ships from the migrant fleet have all different kinds of origins.

Yeah, it's the same with the Reapers - The ME2 ending showed that they all looked somewhat different (shape, number of tentacles, "eyes"...). Most likely because Bioware didn't have the time to model and animate several different looking ones.

Modifié par LegioDamnatus, 01 décembre 2013 - 12:04 .

[sr2josh]

Deathsaurer wrote...

Makai81 wrote...

Because 99% of their ships are glass cannons.

Funfact, 100% of current ships are glass cannons against Reaper dreadnoughts.

Super Fun Fact: Not all glass cannons are created equal.  The ones the Quarians have are especially fragile.

[Hazegurl]

It's just proof that a smart fleet is better than a large one.

[trenq]

Limited resources.
They'll just get some help after Rannoch and arm their ships with THANIX CANNON!

[DeinonSlayer]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

SporkFu wrote...

they were nearly defeated by one geth dreadnought. What good are they going to be against a thousand reapers? Thought just came to me as I'm finishing the Geth:Dreadnought mission. Admiral Raan just panicked her way into the conversation by saying the heavy fleet is collapsing.

The game pretty much tells you straight out that the value of the migrant fleet is logistics. That's why you're sent to get them- to get ships to move **** around.

Are they effective against Reaper dreadnaughts? No. Is anything in the ME galaxy during ME3? Not really.

This. Geth ships may be better equipped for combat, but you aren't going to be airlifting organic personnel with ships which have no air in them. In fact, in the leaked script, Garrus' family dies on Palaven unless the Quarians are around to evacuate them.

Nobody can take the Reapers in a stand-up fight - that was the whole idea behind throwing every available resource at the Crucible.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 décembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[AlanC9]

LegioDamnatus wrote...

Yeah, it's the same with the Reapers - The ME2 ending showed that they all looked somewhat different (shape, number of tentacles, "eyes"...). Most likely because Bioware didn't have the time to model and animate several different looking ones.

You sure about ME2? It looked to me like it was the same Reaper model from various angles.

[shodiswe]

They got a lot of trashcans "AKA Liveships" to support and house their civilians.
They are not combatships.

In a way, most of their so called "fleet" is a buch of civilian and military derelicts and junkyard salvage. A lot of their ships are 300 years old and barely holding together.

The Asari, humans, and others could probably tenfold their fleet if they took their civilian ships and cruiseliners and put guns on them... Though they would be glass cannons just like the Quarian ships. It would also cost some resources and time.

This is why the function of the Quarian fleet once it joins the allied forces became "troop transportation and supplyrunning". While the Geth used their military fleet to engage small reaper fleets and reaper supplylines(troops).

Modifié par shodiswe, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:05 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Udina orders that all human civilian ships be armed if you speak to him in his office. I'm waiting for the opportunity to chew him out over violating Farixen like you can with Raan (even though we are signatories to it and the Quarians are not).

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:12 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

SporkFu wrote...

they were nearly defeated by one geth dreadnought. What good are they going to be against a thousand reapers? Thought just came to me as I'm finishing the Geth:Dreadnought mission. Admiral Raan just panicked her way into the conversation by saying the heavy fleet is collapsing.

The game pretty much tells you straight out that the value of the migrant fleet is logistics. That's why you're sent to get them- to get ships to move **** around.

Are they effective against Reaper dreadnaughts? No. Is anything in the ME galaxy during ME3? Not really.

This. Geth ships may be better equipped for combat, but you aren't going to be airlifting organic personnel with ships which have no air in them. In fact, in the leaked script, Garrus' family dies on Palaven unless the Quarians are around to evacuate them.

Nobody can take the Reapers in a stand-up fight - that was the whole idea behind throwing every available resource at the Crucible.

Where? I thought Garrus family died if you didn't let Sidonis live. (because he's the one who evacuates them).

Edit: Might've been both though since those were three past scripts.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Where? I thought Garrus family died if you didn't let Sidonis live. (because he's the one who evacuates them).

Edit: Might've been both though since those were three past scripts.

I'm still trying to find the script itself, but the earliest reference I've found to it with a quick Google search was in this thread.

I think it would have been neat if it depended on both conditions. Need the Quarians to pick them up, and Sidonis to get them there in the first place. Unfortunately, that would have been yet another example of rewarding paragon behavior...

EDIT: damned smartphone...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:49 .

[KaiserShep]

Does Sidonis still affect that? I don't see any info on it in the wiki page.

[DeinonSlayer]

KaiserShep wrote...

Does Sidonis still affect that? I don't see any info on it in the wiki page.

Not anymore. It seems Garrus' family gets away no matter what, they just don't explain how. I guess they wanted a pick-me-up after the crushing. defeat. at Thessia.

(Garrus does have a nice little speech there, but Shepard's moping is extremely OOC).

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'm still trying to find the script itself, but the earliest reference I've found to it with a quick Google search was in this thread.

I think it would have been neat if it depended on both conditions. Need the Quarians to pick them up, and Sidonis to get them there in the first place. Unfortunately, that would have been yet another example of rewarding paragon behavior...

EDIT: damned smartphone...

That would've been annoying honestly. (Unless not having the Geth came back to bite Shepard in the ass as well then whatever you get punished for siding with either side exclusively).

Nah rewarding paragade/renegon behavior. Siding with the quarians is renegade. Same with the genophage cure. Best outcome is a mix of paragon and renegade (Kill Wrex, Save cure so eve can get you more troops, don't cure genophage so you get more Salarian troops).

KaiserShep wrote...

Does Sidonis still affect that? I don't see any info on it in the wiki page.

Nope. Garrus family always makes it.

DeinonSlayer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Does
Sidonis still affect that? I don't see any info on it in the wiki page.

Not anymore. It seems Garrus' family gets away no matter what,
they just don't explain how. I guess they wanted a pick-me-up after the
crushing. defeat. at Thessia.

Why'd you have to go and remind me about goddamn Thessia?

" I need to recharge!"

*rages*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 décembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[KaiserShep]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Where? I thought Garrus family died if you didn't let Sidonis live. (because he's the one who evacuates them).

Edit: Might've been both though since those were three past scripts.

I'm still trying to find the script itself, but the earliest reference I've found to it with a quick Google search was in this thread.

I think it would have been neat if it depended on both conditions. Need the Quarians to pick them up, and Sidonis to get them there in the first place. Unfortunately, that would have been yet another example of rewarding paragon behavior...

EDIT: damned smartphone...

I don't know if I would describe both as being necessarily "paragon", because you can have the quarians as a result of rendering the geth extinct as well. In any case, I think that this would be one of the better ways to reward the paragon over the renegade. After all, what real benefit should there be from killing Sidonis other than to satiate Garrus' want for revenge? I like to consider this as somewhere along the same vein as the Rana Thanoptis decision on Virmire. Letting her live results in the deaths of others.

[DeinonSlayer]

I'm sure you would have been punished in some way for picking one side or the other (as well you should). I, personally, just wish the peace scenario worked out differently. Not going to turn this into one of THOSE threads, so I'll leave it at that.

[Ryzaki]

Eh peace is cheesy but as grimdark as ME3 tended to get I could use a bit cheese. Though I really do wish at least if in ME2 you asked them not to start a war they actually listened. I might be more inclined to see them sympathetically if that was the case.