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Visual part is very important. It makes the characters and the world alive.

Débuté par Seival , déc. 01 2013 06:16

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Posté 03 décembre 2013 - 11:05

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Sorry for the Double Post. 

Seival wrote...

Disagree. You are dramatically underestimating the influence of game development on technological advancement.

By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.

:sick: And this is coming from a lifelong Killzone Fan. 

Victory or Death!

Also this:
http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=517012
Has more story than ShadowFall and every single Killzone game combined.

Modifié par General TSAR, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:12 .

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Posté 03 décembre 2013 - 11:08

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ruggly wrote...

Have you tried interacting with real, actual people?

You mean like...talking to them? Eww. 

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Posté 03 décembre 2013 - 11:12

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Seival wrote...

Disagree. You are dramatically underestimating the influence of game development on technological advancement.

By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.


Then aren't far into the game then

And "just because the characters look really alive" rofl. Think it's time for a new media Seival games aren't working for you anymore

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Posté 03 décembre 2013 - 11:13

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Rawgrim wrote...
JRPGS....Those are more like interactive movies with turn based combat between the scenes.

I hate you^_^

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Posté 03 décembre 2013 - 11:24

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Seival wrote...

I've seen nothing special in TWD and TWAU. Talking, poorly animated dolls can't give me any strong feelings or even satisfaction from playing.


I can't compare TWD to B2S, because I haven't played it nor do I intend to (I mostly hear terrible things). But I can compare TWD to live action movies, which clearly is what David Cage is going for. I felt more connected to the characters in TWD than in most live action movies, despite the "poorly animated dolls." Same goes for previous Bioware games.

I connect to characters based on their actions and what they say, not based on how realistic their facial movements are.

Modifié par Zatche, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:25 .

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 12:09

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Br3ad wrote...

ruggly wrote...

Have you tried interacting with real, actual people?

You mean like...talking to them? Eww. 


/rubs hands maniacally together

yeesssssssss.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 12:42

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Have you played The Walking Dead Seival? If so, would you not agree that convincing characterisation has less to do with polygon count and visual realism than it does great writing and art direction? Genuine questions.

EDIT: Nevermind - I see you have already answered that one.

Modifié par Fandango9641, 04 décembre 2013 - 12:44 .

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 12:44

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Seival wrote...
By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.


Wow.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 12:52

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Seival wrote...
By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.


So Dude Where's my Car  told a better story than Toy Story  by virtue of not being an animated feature?

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:31

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Fandango9641 wrote...



Seival wrote...
By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.


So Dude Where's my Car  told a better story than Toy Story  by virtue of not being an animated feature?

Sounds good to me.

#236
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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:38

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ITT: "I am a graphics motion capture ****."

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:46

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Seival wrote...
By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.

If I could find a gif of someone banging their head against a desk it would be here.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:47

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J. Reezy wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...



Seival wrote...
By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.


So Dude Where's my Car  told a better story than Toy Story  by virtue of not being an animated feature?

Sounds good to me.


It's not about sounding good, it's all about the polygons.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:50

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It's about both.

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David7204 wrote...

It's about both.


*slow clap*

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:52

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Is that sarcasm?

#242
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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:53

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David7204 wrote...

It's about both.

Stories in no way need advanced graphics to be effective.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:54

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Rawgrim wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

RPGS ere a combination of several things, not just 1 element.

1. An interactive story, where your in-game choices affects the story, and maybe even the plotline.
2. A level system
3. Combat
4. Dialogue options
6. The oppertunity to create your very own character.

Remove any of these and its not an rpg. Simple as that. Game developers tend to stick the rpg label on anything these day, because it sells. If you play career mode on Fifa, you level up. This doesn`t make it an rpg. Same for Battlefield etc.

An RPG should NEVER put the player in the passanger`s seat. When that happens the game developers takes control of your character, and the character isn`t yours anymore. Auto-dialogue being one of the biggest sins here.


So the Witcher isn't a roleplaying game? Or pretty much any MMORPG? Or any JRPG?

What rubbish. 


Mot mmorpgs have thse things I mentioned. The Witcher is missing 1 of them. JRPGS....Those are more like interactive movies with turn based combat between the scenes.

You cleary never played any JRPGs, or only played the newer FFs.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:55

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'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:56

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David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

Care to explain why books are such effective methods of conveying stories then?

They don't have graphics but they are undeniably a more effective medium

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David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

No.

#247
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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:57

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Seival wrote...

Jozape wrote...

Seival wrote...

...And let's look at this from little different perspective. Why do you think PCs, Consoles, Tablets, and Smartphones become more and more advanced? Mostly because of creative people have unbreakable desire to make state of art media products, and society that gladly pays for such products. A desire to create and play more realistic in all terms games literally pushes the modern technologies forwards. And all this "old-school-is-the-only-way" conservatism is nothing more but the love of stagnation and decay. So, let game developers and games do the very important job both in our minds and real life.


The technological demands help drive the demand for more powerful computers, but they are hardly the main reason for any part besides the graphics processing unit. Servers and workstations need that power too. Even our desktops with our bloated Microsoft operating systems can benefit from the extra juice.

And having Dragon Age not focus on the bleeding edge of technology will not do much to hinder the march of technology. There are plenty of games out there pushing the boundary, like Killzone and whatever shiny games kids play these days.


Disagree. You are dramatically underestimating the influence of game development on technological advancement.

By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.

Hahahaha oh wow.

#248
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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:57

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David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

Did the graphics make Ryse enjoyable?

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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:58

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David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.


Graphics make things look better, not better in-general

#250
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Posté 04 décembre 2013 - 01:58

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Firstly, every medium has it's advantages and disadvantages. Books enjoy many advantages video games do not.

Secondly, books are not a more effective medium at all.
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