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[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

Did the graphics make Ryse enjoyable?

Good example.

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...



Secondly, books are not a more effective medium at all.

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[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Secondly, books are not a more effective medium at all.

Your agrument lost right there

[Hellion Rex]

David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

DA:O certainly wasn't the prettiest game, but it remains one of the best games I have ever played. Period.

[ruggly]

J. Reezy wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

Care to explain why books are such effective methods of conveying stories then?

They don't have graphics but they are undeniably a more effective medium

Books have high dynamic lighting tbh. And the print has superior anti-aliasing compared to games.

Hmmm, that lense flare.

[Steelcan]

eluvianix wrote...

David7204 wrote...

'Effective' isn't a good enough goal.

Graphics make things better.

DA:O certainly wasn't the prettiest game, but it remains one of the best games I have ever played. Period.

remember he won't play it, he might see something unheroic

[David7204]

I really hope I do not have to explain the childishly simple foolishness in trying to prove that nice graphics aren't a good thing by offering an example of a crap game with good graphics.

It's something I would expect to see a 5 year old grasp perfectly well.

Have I overestimated the BSN to this degree?

I really hope I do not have to explain the childishly simple foolishness in trying to prove that nice graphics aren't a good thing by offering an example of a good game with lousy graphics.

Modifié par David7204, 04 décembre 2013 - 02:03 .

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

I really hope I do not have to explain the childishly simple foolishness in trying to prove that nice graphics aren't a good thing by offering an example of a crap game with good graphics.

It's something I would expect to see a 5 year old grasp perfectly well.

Have I overestimated the BSN to this degree?

Ryse has some of the best graphics ever, it's also a very crappy game. It proves your notion wrong because good graphics never makes a game, it just makes it look pretty.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

I really hope I do not have to explain the childishly simple foolishness in trying to prove that nice graphics aren't a good thing by offering an example of a crap game with good graphics.

It's something I would expect to see a 5 year old grasp perfectly well.

Have I overestimated the BSN to this degree?

graphics are icing, they may make things look nicer, but stories work just fine without them

[Ianamus]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Secondly, books are not a more effective medium at all.

Your agrument lost right there

To be fair there are some stories that work much better through visual storytelling, and wouldn't work in book format, the same way there are stories that work far better as books than movies, games or television shows. 

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I really hope I do not have to explain the childishly simple foolishness in trying to prove that nice graphics aren't a good thing by offering an example of a crap game with good graphics.

It's something I would expect to see a 5 year old grasp perfectly well. 

Have I overestimated the BSN to this degree?

Ryse has some of the best graphics ever, it's also a very crappy game. It proves your notion wrong because good graphics never makes a game, it just makes it look pretty. 

It could also be said that no matter how good a games story and gameplay is, if the graphics are absolutely awful, distractiing and hurt your eyes then it will be an awful game. 

Modifié par EJ107, 04 décembre 2013 - 02:07 .

[Mr.House]

Bullcrap, I still enjoy playing NES games.

[Ianamus]

Mr.House wrote...

Bullcrap, I still enjoy playing NES games.

I'm not talking awful as in old or outdated- I'm talking awful as in awful. Neon flashing lights that change colour constantly, ridiculous body proportions, texture bugs that ossilate and hurt your eyes. Animations that constantly bug out and look ridiculous. Enemies that are just large blotchy cubes even though they are supposed to represent Dragons. 

It would be an awful game, no matter how good everything else was. 

Modifié par EJ107, 04 décembre 2013 - 02:26 .

[Mr.House]

EJ107 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Bullcrap, I still enjoy playing NES games.

I'm not talking awful as in old or outdated- I'm talking awful as in awful. Neon flashing lights that change colour constantly, ridiculous body preportions, texture bugs that ossilate and hurt your eyes. Animations that constantly bug out and look ridiculous. Enemies that are just large cubes even though they are supposed to represent Dragons. 

It would be an awful game, no matter how good everything else was. 

If you gave me a game like that with fun gameplay and Ryse, do you know what I would pick?

[David7204]

Apparently, I actually do need to explain.

Graphics matter. However, good graphics do not necessarily make a good game and bad graphics do not necessarily make a bad game. For the utterly simple and obvious reason that there are elements to games besides graphics.

House, your silly insistence that I think graphics 'make' a game by themselves is nothing more than a ridiculous, childish delusion with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back it up. It really is incredibly tedious to argue with you.

Modifié par David7204, 04 décembre 2013 - 02:20 .

[Ianamus]

Mr.House wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Bullcrap, I still enjoy playing NES games.

I'm not talking awful as in old or outdated- I'm talking awful as in awful. Neon flashing lights that change colour constantly, ridiculous body preportions, texture bugs that ossilate and hurt your eyes. Animations that constantly bug out and look ridiculous. Enemies that are just large cubes even though they are supposed to represent Dragons. 

It would be an awful game, no matter how good everything else was. 

If you gave me a game like that with fun gameplay and Ryse, do you know what I would pick?

Ryse has awful gameplay and a bad story from what I've heard though, while my example only had absolutely dire graphics. what if it was just Ryse's story that was awful and the gameplay was as excellent as the visuals? Or the story and graphics were excellent and the gameplay was awful?

Modifié par EJ107, 04 décembre 2013 - 02:22 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Apparently, I actually do need to explain.

Graphics matter. However, good graphics do not necessarily make a good game and bad graphics do not necessarily make a bad game. For the utterly simple and obvious reason that there are elements to games besides graphics.

House, your silly insistence that I think graphics 'make' a game by themselves is nothing more than a ridiculous, childish delusion with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back it up. It really is incredibly tedious to argue with you.

It's how the first part of this post is exactly what everyone has been telling since you first started this argument awhile back

While the rest is just a personal attack towards House

[Mr.House]

Um David, go read your older post before you insult people and make yourself look like a moron.

[David7204]

What people have been 'telling' me is really more along the lines of 'graphics are stupid and pointless and any developer who focuses on them hates stories.'

[Hellion Rex]

David7204 wrote...

What people have been 'telling' me is really more along the lines of 'graphics are stupid and pointless and any developer who focuses on them hates stories.'

Not even remotely what we have been saying.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Lee Everett's face while reading this thread:



His cel-shaded face.

THAT I LOVED SO MUCH. *slits wrists*

[spirosz]

To expect the best is to expect the dev's to get the best budget out there right now and I doubt that.

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

David7204 wrote...

What people have been 'telling' me is really more along the lines of 'graphics are stupid and pointless and any developer who focuses on them hates stories.'

Not even remotely what we have been saying.

Pretty much, what people ARE saying is graphics should not be the full focus. Which is how it should be. If you focus just on graphics, then you simply get a Ryse which is the best example of a game with amazing graphics and horrible gameplay.

[spirosz]

As from what I've seen so far, I am very impressed, but I can live with some shady execution as long as the story and characters are given the quality they deserve, but please for the love of the maker Bioware, fix the damn hands.