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[Mr.House]

J. Reezy wrote...

Seival the type of dude to give a 10/10 to games with lots of lens flare.

He's probaly one of those people who gave Ryse a 10.

Modifié par Mr.House, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[Seival]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A couple things:

1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.

DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

[Mr.House]

Seival wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A couple things:

1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.

DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

Removing a character is not simple. When a character is removed, rewriting happens and this takes more time and resources. You know that I hope.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A couple things:

1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.

DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

Well you're gonna be sorely disappointed then

[Fiery Phoenix]

Seival wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A couple things:

1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.

DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

You don't just reduce the number of characters in an RPG that's two years into development. That would be like removing a constant from an equation.

[addiction21]

Seival wrote...


DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

Too bad anyone of those "tens of characters" from a BioWare game curbstomp your Last of Us or Beyond Two Souls characters.

BioWare has consistently delivered quality with quantity and that's their focus not "ohhhh look shiny"

[Rusty Sandusky]

J. Reezy wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...
Before I take the time to correct all the incorrect thing you just said, could you confirm just how old are you Seival?

12.

That's an insult to 12 year olds.

[Seival]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

So far the game does look good. I would rather bioware focus on the story, lore and characters rather than all the pointless things like mocap or facial animation that I probably would not care after showing it about 2-3 times. Moreover, I am pretty sure that those things that was mentioned required a lots of resources to be made possible, this could cause the game to be push back to like 2015. 

To focus on the story, lore, and characters by modern standards also means investing a lot in the visual part. Thoughts without perfect visualization is as nothing as perfect visualization without thoughts... Welcome to the 21st century

[Mr.House]

addiction21 wrote...

Seival wrote...


DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

Too bad anyone of those "tens of characters" from a BioWare game curbstomp your Last of Us or Beyond Two Souls characters.

BioWare has consistently delivered quality with quantity and that's their focus not "ohhhh look shiny"

LoU writing quality was better then Bioware of late. Bioware on the other hand has DA2, ME2 and ME3 with it's nosediving writing quality.

[Mr.House]

Seival wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

So far the game does look good. I would rather bioware focus on the story, lore and characters rather than all the pointless things like mocap or facial animation that I probably would not care after showing it about 2-3 times. Moreover, I am pretty sure that those things that was mentioned required a lots of resources to be made possible, this could cause the game to be push back to like 2015. 

To focus on the story, lore, and characters by modern standards also means investing a lot in the visual part. Thoughts without perfect visualization is as nothing as perfect visualization without thoughts... Welcome to the 21st century

TWD proves you wrong. Please don't come again.

[PsychoBlonde]

Seival wrote...

DA:I is going to be a good next-gen game. So, let's not judge the game by pre-alfa based videos, and hope for the following things in release:

 - Best possible facial motion capture for all facial expressions and talking.
 - Best possible gestures/move/attack motion capture, and as many variants of all of that as possible.
 - Best possible motion captured sequences for all dialogue scenes and cut-scenes.

In a next-gen game characters shouldn't look like or act like a dolls. A lot of good actors' work can make them truly alive.

I'm not talking about turning DA:I into an interactive movie. But visual quality of the same level as in The Last of Us, for example, is simply required for a next-gen game. Even if it's an RPG with much larger amount of dialogues and cutscenes.

This totally explains why Minecraft bombed! OH WAIT.

100% of my favorite games to date had exactly none of this stuff.  Hell, some of them didn't even have 3D.  Technical gimmicks do not a good game make, and clunky old-school graphics do not a poor game make.

Don't get me wrong, I like to ooh and ahh at CGI as much as the next person, but perfectly rendered brown boring crap is far less enjoyable (and far more forgettable) than a mediocre-resolution, barely-animated, beautful, stunning, elegant, artistic work.

[Seival]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Seival wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A couple things:

1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.

DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

You don't just reduce the number of characters in an RPG that's two years into development. That would be like removing a constant from an equation.

They still have tons of work to do before the release. And I'm 99% sure they didn't implement even 35% of the characters yet. Most of them are still out of equation most likely. I really hope BioWare knows when to stop putting characters into the game to concentrate on the minimum required they already have.

[Mr.House]

I'm just going to name one AAA game that proves Sevials "fact" wrong.

GTAV.

[Br3admax]

Seival wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Seival wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A couple things:

1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.

DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.

Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.

You don't just reduce the number of characters in an RPG that's two years into development. That would be like removing a constant from an equation.

They still have tons of work to do before the release. And I'm 99% sure they didn't implement even 35% of the characters yet. Most of them are still out of equation most likely. I really hope BioWare knows when to stop putting characters into the game to concentrate on the minimum required they already have.

Even if your point were true, which it isn't. You do realise that the game was ready for release a month ago? They are only going to add things, not take away. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Seival wrote...

They still have tons of work to do before the release. And I'm 99% sure they didn't implement even 35% of the characters yet. Most of them are still out of equation most likely. I really hope BioWare knows when to stop putting characters into the game to concentrate on the minimum required they already have.

How can they be out of the equation when the script has already been written?

[dreamgazer]

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Seival the type of dude to give a 10/10 to games with lots of lens flare.

He's probaly one of those people who gave Ryse a 10.

At least Ryse is trying new, immersive things on the graphical realism front. 

Ain't that right, Ryse?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:56 .

[Seival]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Seival wrote...

DA:I is going to be a good next-gen game. So, let's not judge the game by pre-alfa based videos, and hope for the following things in release:

 - Best possible facial motion capture for all facial expressions and talking.
 - Best possible gestures/move/attack motion capture, and as many variants of all of that as possible.
 - Best possible motion captured sequences for all dialogue scenes and cut-scenes.

In a next-gen game characters shouldn't look like or act like a dolls. A lot of good actors' work can make them truly alive.

I'm not talking about turning DA:I into an interactive movie. But visual quality of the same level as in The Last of Us, for example, is simply required for a next-gen game. Even if it's an RPG with much larger amount of dialogues and cutscenes.

This totally explains why Minecraft bombed! OH WAIT.

100% of my favorite games to date had exactly none of this stuff.  Hell, some of them didn't even have 3D.  Technical gimmicks do not a good game make, and clunky old-school graphics do not a poor game make.

Don't get me wrong, I like to ooh and ahh at CGI as much as the next person, but perfectly rendered brown boring crap is far less enjoyable (and far more forgettable) than a mediocre-resolution, barely-animated, beautful, stunning, elegant, artistic work.

Minecraft isn't AAA game.
Minecraft isn't even a story-driven game.
Minecraft is just a simple time consumer for players and gold mine for developers, nothing more.

Don't compare a Skinner box to masterpiece interactive experience, please.

Modifié par Seival, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:58 .

[ruggly]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Seival the type of dude to give a 10/10 to games with lots of lens flare.

He's probaly one of those people who gave Ryse a 10.

At least Ryse is trying new, immersive things on the graphical realism front. 

Ain't that right, Ryse?

Somebody get that lady the strongest sports bra possible, stat!

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Minecraft isn't AAA game.
Minecraft isn't even a story-driven game.
Minecraft is just a simple time consumer for players and gold mine for developers, nothing more.

Don't compare a Skinner box to masterpiece interactive experience, please.

ROFL