Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
Modifié par Il Divo, 05 décembre 2013 - 12:39 .
Yes.eluvianix wrote...
Something amusing?<_<The Night Mammoth wrote...
Hahahaha.
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Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
J. Reezy wrote...
Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
Hmm...I can't say anything without coming off extra cheesy. A lot of people seem to be quite board with his personality, I know that much.Il Divo wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
This could segue into some amusing Legend of Korra jokes.
Modifié par J. Reezy, 05 décembre 2013 - 12:53 .
You can't deny that the break up was probably one of the best parts of the 2nd season finale though.J. Reezy wrote...
Hmm...I can't say anything without coming off extra cheesy. A lot of people seem to be quite board with his personality, I know that much.Il Divo wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
This could segue into some amusing Legend of Korra jokes.
eluvianix wrote...
You can't deny that the break up was probably one of the best parts of the 2nd season finale though.J. Reezy wrote...
Hmm...I can't say anything without coming off extra cheesy. A lot of people seem to be quite board with his personality, I know that much.Il Divo wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
This could segue into some amusing Legend of Korra jokes.
Modifié par Il Divo, 05 décembre 2013 - 01:04 .
Seival wrote...
Fiery Phoenix wrote...
A couple things:
1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.
DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.
Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
What meaningful decisions did you make for Jodie? Did you have any control over Jodie's motives or feelings at any point during the game?Seival wrote...
Really?... But somehow, I like roleplaying Jodie much more than roleplaying Shepard.
J. Reezy wrote...
Hmm...I can't say anything without coming off extra cheesy. A lot of people seem to be quite board with his personality, I know that much.Il Divo wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
This could segue into some amusing Legend of Korra jokes.
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Seival wrote...
EntropicAngel wrote...
Seival wrote...
EntropicAngel wrote...
Seival wrote...
But please, don't expect BioWare to return to oldschool even a little. DA:I will obviously be a AAA modern game, not a DA:O or Baldur's Gate revamp.
Is that why Bioware has returned the tactical camera? Is that why Bioware removed level scaling? Is that why Bioware removed total health regen?
I'm not sure you know the game you're talking about.
You listed the features that any game can use.
Remember Me, for example:
- Health isn't regenerating automatically, so you have to use your skills to keep your character alive.
- Your character isn't becoming overpowered while progressing through the game.
- You can place game on "pause" to open the abilities menu and think about current combat situation to figure out what should you do next.
And Remember Me is a great modern AAA heavily story-driven game, not some old-school boredom.
No. I listed features that are, in RPGs, a distinct throwback to "old-school" games.
So, you believe that some exact gameplay features form the oldschool? By your logic, Beyond and TWD are the oldschool games then. They both have some very old gameplay features in their basis. Remember Phantasmagoria game? Bioforge? Old quests? Sounds familiar?
Gameplay features do not determine if the game will be oldschool or not. Ability and desire of devs to make the game modern do. Ability and desire to use modern technologies in each and every aspect of the game.
...And let's look at this from little different perspective. Why do you think PCs, Consoles, Tablets, and Smartphones become more and more advanced? Mostly because of creative people have unbreakable desire to make state of art media products, and society that gladly pays for such products. A desire to create and play more realistic in all terms games literally pushes the modern technologies forwards. And all this "old-school-is-the-only-way" conservatism is nothing more but the love of stagnation and decay. So, let game developers and games do the very important job both in our minds and real life. Don't try to delay them with old-school nonsense.
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Seival wrote...
By the way. I'm playing Killzone: Shadowfall on my PS4 now, and the game already looks much more story driven than all released Dragon Ages combined. Just because the characters look really alive.
Mr.House wrote...
Mako for LI.
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Seival wrote...
I said it many times already, I'm not suggesting to turn DA:I into B:TS. BioWare simply has no firepower for that yet.
I'm suggesting to get rid of plans to make excess things in order to focus on the characters and main plot quality. Story-driven game doesn't actually need side quests, or dialogue options most of the players will prefer to ignore (like neutral responces in Mass Effect for example). Story-driven game doesn't need too many fully voiced characters or too many "investigate" dialogue options. Story-driven game needs only great storytelling, which is impossible without great visual part nowadays.
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
Greylycantrope wrote...
To be fair you technically do roleplay Jodie, it's just a much more restricted, predetermined and linear role.addiction21 wrote...
I am as free and open to what roleplaying is as it comes around here but no you didn't roleplay Jodie.
And technically you roleplay Dr. Mario or Lebron James in their respective games... but that doesn't really work as an effective use of the term.
I'm familiar with most of the things you just listed and, honestly, I find them pretty dull. I don't think The Hobbit is better than them, because I don't like The Hobbit at all either.Rawgrim wrote...
Seival wrote...
Fiery Phoenix wrote...
A couple things:
1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.
DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.
Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.
By removing alot of characters you also remove alot of the story. Each character has his own viewpoint on the world around them, and their own background. They enrich a story and makes the narrative, as a whole, alot bigger. Are you saying that The Hobbit is a better story than the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, a Song of Ice and Fire, The Wheel of Time, Star Wars, The Godfather + + +?
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eluvianix wrote...
Ok, stop right there. ME2 was the best of all three.
Hey I only circle jerk about ME2!EntropicAngel wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Ok, stop right there. ME2 was the best of all three.
You don't want to get into an argument with them. They'll circle-jerk on how terrible Mass Effect is all day.
I love your chibbi NaotoGreylycantrope wrote...
I only hate 3.
Dat Persona QMr.House wrote...
I love your chibbi NaotoGreylycantrope wrote...
I only hate 3.
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Yes indeed.Fast Jimmy wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Hmm...I can't say anything without coming off extra cheesy. A lot of people seem to be quite board with his personality, I know that much.Il Divo wrote...
J. Reezy wrote...
Don't worry, I still think the Mako is best inanimate object of the series.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
I still wish Bioware had scrapped the Mako, if it would have meant some halfway decent side quests.
With Mass Effect, it felt like Bioware borrowed all the wrong elements from Baldur's Gate 1.
I feel like everyone in this thread has been taking crazy pills.
This could segue into some amusing Legend of Korra jokes.
Was using "board" instead of "bored" there an intentional pun?
If so, tip o' the hat.
Plaintiff wrote...
I'm familiar with most of the things you just listed and, honestly, I find them pretty dull. I don't think The Hobbit is better than them, because I don't like The Hobbit at all either.Rawgrim wrote...
Seival wrote...
Fiery Phoenix wrote...
A couple things:
1. This is a next-gen game. That is, if the pre-alpha build from September is any indication of what we'll be getting (at least on PC and next-gen platforms), then nobody needs to worry.
2. Motion capture is unrealistic to expect/do when you have a game with so many different characters. It works better in games that focus on fewer characters.
DA:I doesn't need tens of characters. Characters quality isn't determined by their quantity. Story quality also isn't determined by characters quantity.
Reduce number of planned characters by half to make the rest really amazing. Never listen to the "I want <put a character name here> back in DA:I!" nonsense. This is what I have to suggest here, because I really want to see alive characters instead of talking dolls in DA:I.
By removing alot of characters you also remove alot of the story. Each character has his own viewpoint on the world around them, and their own background. They enrich a story and makes the narrative, as a whole, alot bigger. Are you saying that The Hobbit is a better story than the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, a Song of Ice and Fire, The Wheel of Time, Star Wars, The Godfather + + +?
A story with lots of characters can be very engaging, but other aspects of the story need attention too. Too many characters will cause the plot and pacing to suffer, and readers will struggle to keep track of them all. "Add more characters" isn't the miracle secret to writing an awesome story; for example, I don't think you'll find many people who think the Star Wars prequels added a lot of value to the overarching narrative, even though they definitely did add a lot more characters.
I notice that almost all the things you listed are also, sweeping, multi-generational epics. If you like those, that's fine, but just because The Hobbit is a smaller story (both in length and scope) doesn't make it worse, it's a completely different kind of story with completely different merits.
Personally, I prefer stories that focus on a smaller group of core characters and their adventures. I don't have the patience for something like A Song of Ice and Fire. Keeping track of all the important players is a significant time investment that feels far too much like work. And I thoroughly despise Lord of the Rings; I can't stand the way Tolkien constantly deviates from the plot with irrelevent stories and songs and long-winded conversations about the backstory of some hill or whatever. I just want the characters to shut up and keep walking
The next game wll be on next gen, after all.
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