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[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

That is plainly ridiculous nonsense.

Perfect description of your position(s), dear chap. Wholeheartedly agree.

[David7204]

You seem to have less and less to contribute every time I see you post, dreamgazer.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You seem to have less and less to contribute every time I see you post, dreamgazer.

pot



kettle

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

Fact of life, Darth. Everything else in game development does not bow down to writing. Plots and characters get cut, dialogue streamlined, environments and enemies are scaled down. This isn't a choose your own adventure book. A game is more than words. And it should be.

And a game is more then pretty flashy graphics with zomg so many pixel clustering and AI groupings!!!

A game is a medium to tell a story, with the added effort of having the players be the driving force for the plot. If the story isn't well written and well delivered, then it makes for a bad game. If a game has a worse story then it does delivery, it's called buggy, or glitchy, or even repetitive if the same mechanics are used ad nauseum. However, when a games story isn't up to snuff, even if it has the most beaufifully rendered graphics in the world, it is a bad game, a boring game, a forgettable game, because it failed in it's most fundamental and important needs as a game.

It failed to deliver a story to the player worth caring about.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

You seem to have less and less to contribute every time I see you post, dreamgazer.

Please point me to the valid contributions you've posited in this discussion, David.

I'll wait.

[Rawgrim]

Visuals are more or less the "make-up" in rpgs, and other games. When this takes over the focus of the storytelling and the gameplay (cutscenes where you hve no control of your own character etc), it becomes Botox. And that is bad, and it seems fake.

[David7204]

I'm glad you think stories are important. I agree. So what exactly does say against my point that everything else in game development does not bow down to writing?

Also, are you just in denial of the vast amount of popular games that have no story?

Modifié par David7204, 03 décembre 2013 - 01:47 .

[Rawgrim]

David7204 wrote...

I'm glad you think stories are important. I agree. So what exactly does say against my point that everything else in game development does not bow down to writing?

Also, are you just in denial of the vast amount of popular games that have no story?

Thoe would be multiplayer action games, or sports games.

[David7204]

Yep. Or puzzle games. Or racing games. Or action games with no story. Point is, the very clearly exist, and many are lauded.

[SlottsMachine]

David7204 wrote...

You seem to have less and less to contribute every time I see you post, dreamgazer.

Oh **** son. My boy Davy is on fire tonight. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...

Yep. Or puzzle games. Or racing games. Or action games with no story. Point is, the very clearly exist, and many are lauded.

Sounds like a niche market to me. I thought you said those needed to evolve or die.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 03 décembre 2013 - 01:51 .

[Rawgrim]

David7204 wrote...

Yep. Or puzzle games. Or racing games. Or action games with no story. Point is, the very clearly exist, and many are lauded.

The focus of rpgs have allways been the story and the characters, though. So you are comparing a book to a bicycle.

[dreamgazer]

General Slotts wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You seem to have less and less to contribute every time I see you post, dreamgazer.

Oh **** son. My boy Davy is on fire tonight. 

Someone needs to remember to replenish his hamster's water, else it'll get exhausted on that wheel.

[Br3admax]

Card games don't have stories, and they've been selling for a long time. Everyone here who is not David is invalid.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

You seem to have less and less to contribute every time I see you post, dreamgazer.

You know, genetic ad hominems aren't going to make for a winning argument David.

[Cainhurst Crow]

David is saying games shouldn't have things that set it apart.

Just like how movies should only be 1 genre.

And cars should only be 1 make, model, and type.

[David7204]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David is saying games shouldn't have things that set it apart.

Just like how movies should only be 1 genre.

And cars should only be 1 make, model, and type.

Interesting. Could you point out where exactly I said anything remotely resembling "Games shouldn't have things that set it apart?"

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

I'm glad you think stories are important. I agree. So what exactly does say against my point that everything else in game development does not bow down to writing?

Also, are you just in denial of the vast amount of popular games that have no story?

Are you in deniel on what makes an rpg game, action rpg, strategy rpg, platforming rpg, adventure rpg, and what have you, apart from other games as well?

It's the same thing that sets shooter games apart from hack 'n slashers, or puzzle games from racing games.

Just becasue you want one giant generic blob of gameplay doesn't mean everyone else should suffer that fate.

[Ravensword]

Whenever I see my feed blow up w/ several users posting in the same forum, I figure it's b/c David is online sharing whatever bits of wisdom he's managed to pull out of his ass of late.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

Card games don't have stories, and they've been selling for a long time. Everyone here who is not David is invalid.

Gin Rummy, Blackjack, Euchre, Poker (and Texas Holdem), Baccarat, Solitare... They all have a story behind them.

[Silcron]

Rawgrim wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Yep. Or puzzle games. Or racing games. Or action games with no story. Point is, the very clearly exist, and many are lauded.

The focus of rpgs have allways been the story and the characters, though. So you are comparing a book to a bicycle.

This, many rpgs can get away with let's say "not so good gameplay" (Mass Effect 1 for example) because they're driven by story. It's very much like a book, you may not have the best of lights to read one, or it may not come with the best letter size but if the story really sucks you in you will not care about those.

Then you got games that are just games, they don't try to tell any story. Is that bad? No, and it doesn't just stop at videogames. There are tabletop or just plain games that are driven by a story and then games that are just ment for fun. Mariokart, monopoly, hide and seek. I bet everyone has played a lot of games like that when they were kids.

My point is, games are different depending on their focus and thus they shoudl be judged differently. No point in judging an rpg focusing on gameplay and graphics or a sports game focusing on its story.

[Steelcan]

Ravensword wrote...

Whenever I see my feed blow up w/ several users posting in the same forum, I figure it's b/c David is online sharing whatever bits of wisdom he's managed to pull out of his ass of late.

thats not fair, it isnt always him

[Rawgrim]

I`ve never heard anyone praise an rpg becaue it had great cutscenes, to be honest. I keep hearing rpgs getting praised alot for having great gameplay and story, though.