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[Karlone123]

Nitrocuban wrote...

The whole story about Cerberus just being indoctrinated and Miranda's father just being evil was pretty weak.
And what was Cerberus doing on Surkesh?

Probably to sabotage Shepard's plan to unify the Turians and Krogans, but an ingame explanation would have been helpful.

[Karlone123]

StreetMagic wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That is ridiculous.

You think every other series in existence doesn't have such problems?

You think the crap on the BSN is any better? It isnt. People here have had nearly two years and hindsight and they've yet to realize what garbage their ideas are.

Whoa. What the hell is your problem? I'm agreeing with you, for once, and you try to rip into me for it? Get help.

You could agree with him that weather is too warm and he'll tell you sod off somewhere colder.

[Argentoid]

David7204 wrote...

That is ridiculous.

You think every other series in existence doesn't have such problems?

You think the crap on the BSN is any better? It isnt. People here have had nearly two years with hindsight on their side and I've yet to see any "Wait a minute..."

Wait a minute... what happened to the mass accelerator weapon TIM found on Klendagon back in ME2? I thought THAT was going to be one of the major weapons of mass destruction that could end the Reapers... 

Modifié par Argentoid, 07 décembre 2013 - 09:15 .

[MassEffect23]

The Mass (plot hole) Effect

[txgoldrush]

David7204 wrote...

The Crucible was completely stupid and really should have been completed scrapped.

No it wasn't.

What was set up thematically in ME1 was that the past cycle helped the current one, which turns out to be ME1's deus ex machina. The characters use that deus ex machina from ME1 to further the exploration of that past cycle, leading to the crucible, which turns out to be passed on from cycle to cycle....how past cycles help future ones.


And logically, the characters would believe in the crucible. Why? Because it is from a source that has helped them before.

The Crucible fit with the these of the series.....themes established in ME1.

And except for Synthesis, the Crucible did have a believable in universe function.

The Crucible would be contrived if no such themes were established in ME1.

[Linkenski]

I would've left out the Crucible completely, but the concept is not completely bonkers. I would've probably liked it if it had a better introduction and if it didn't cause so much stupidity from the characters. "Let's get the catalyst, hoo-rah, we'll win the war if we get the artifact, derp" or "We sacrifice everything maybe even ourselves, just to get this thing docked and we don't know what it does, but if we're lucky it'll kill all reapers."

And as David mentioned in another thread, it greatly cheapens or basically ruins the central theme of ME Trilogy, and this is not even refering to the ending.

[KaiserShep]

I do think that the ending has something to do with it though. Without the crucible, there's no way to implement something like synthesis. Destroy is simple enough, and there's all kind of variations of handwavium you could conjure up for that, and perhaps something could be drawn up for control since it's strictly confined to the reapers, but altering all life in the galaxy? This requires a massive techno-magical super device to function. I think the writers really wanted these three things, and there's no really good way to implement them all.

I would have preferred there be no crucible as well, but synthesis just can't exist without it (granted, I'd be perfectly fine with that, because synthesis is just a terrible concept).

Modifié par KaiserShep, 09 décembre 2013 - 11:21 .

[In Exile]

Daemul wrote...

This is the most frustrating moment of ME3 for me. Cerberus succeeded in finding a way to control Reaper Husks(though not the Reaper themselves), Shepard manages to get this data and at that moment I'm thinking, "Oh yeah, here's where we turn the war around", but then, to my dismay, Hackett and Shepard got his with the stupid hammer and discard the use of the data because, "It wasn't worth it"

It was the stupidest moment of the game, sure, but only insofar as how the game didn''t lambast Cerberus more for how stupid their entire scheme actually was. 

No competent war leader would EVER discard data such as this on nonsensical moral grounds, even if it was tainted with the blood of millions, since it could eventually leading to saving the lives of billions more. I have never seen such worse reasoning for not using a potential game changer, yes, the Reapers would still probably ROFLstomp everyone in the end, but being able to cut them off from their ground troops would be a huge advantage to have. But nope, it supposedly wasn't worth it, so lets instead put our faith in a device which we know nothing about.  

There's absolutely no basis in the game to actually show that the technology worked, seeing as how the Reapers controlled every husk on the scene the second they showed up. 

[Oni Changas]

txgoldrush wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The Crucible was completely stupid and really should have been completed scrapped.

No it wasn't.

What was set up thematically in ME1 was that the past cycle helped the current one, which turns out to be ME1's deus ex machina. The characters use that deus ex machina from ME1 to further the exploration of that past cycle, leading to the crucible, which turns out to be passed on from cycle to cycle....how past cycles help future ones.


And logically, the characters would believe in the crucible. Why? Because it is from a source that has helped them before.

The Crucible fit with the these of the series.....themes established in ME1.

And except for Synthesis, the Crucible did have a believable in universe function.

The Crucible would be contrived if no such themes were established in ME1.

Agreedm and to go off this, when I first learned about it in game, my first thought was that it was like a giant middle finger from every species the reapers decimated from the grave to the reapers themselves. I liked that idea.