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NWN has alternative combat animations (and the monk combat styles are really cool!).
What do you mean? Is that a mod? If so, link?
I agree with Luminus. I don't count "having x mod" as "being a better game" unless that cannot be potentially be made for the other as well. But seriously, who cares? Just play the game YOU prefer (or just both), regardless of others' preferences.
That's the one: http://nwvault.ign.c....detail&id=5895
It's the latest version unless I'm mistaken. It has very awesome animations.
...And one reason for that is because the default combat animations for NwN1 are awful and awkward.
We got an other one crying beceause NWN2 exist and wasn 't made by Bioware ?
NWN1 and NWN2 are both old games, there is no need to bash one or the other, if they both are still played it 's beceause they both did things right.
Well I started this game up today and guess what, all the textures are messed up even after reinstalling. Could be a problem with Windows 8 but it could be a problem with NWN2 itself which leads me to another point, NWN1 is far more technically well made. The amount of unpatched bugs still in NWN2 is unbelievable but it is an Obsidian game so I don't know why I'm surprised really. Also, even after fiddling with the camera settings, the camera still doesn't feel solid as it does in other games and remains one of the game's major technical problems.
We got an other one crying beceause NWN2 exist and wasn 't made by Bioware ?
NWN1 and NWN2 are both old games, there is no need to bash one or the other, if they both are still played it 's beceause they both did things right.
No one here was crying about NWN 2's existence and it being made by Obsidian. Where the hell did you get that idea from?
Both games exists so why shouldn't we compare them? As I said in the disclaimer:
"Now just remember: this is a forum and forums are for discussing opinions so don't feel offended at this if you disagree."
You remind me of this other guy on here, Haplose is his name, who accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being a troll. Perhaps both of you are the same user? Your writing style is awfully similar and he also ignored everything written in the topic and went onto an unfounded conclusion. Perhaps some people genuinely wish to discuss what makes one game better than the other? After all, people still do this for the Baldur's Gate games so there's no need for this attitude. This is a forum and I'd wager this thread makes for more interesting discussion than all those other threads you've got going here with 1-3 replies which are bug related.
I disagree. NWN may have been less buggier but NWN2 had a better story, better companions, better dialogue and better quests. By all means it was the better RPG.
I disagree. NWN may have been less buggier but NWN2 had a better story, better companions, better dialogue and better quests. By all means it was the better RPG.
Exactly. It was a better overall game but much less polished.
I started with NwN1 years before NwN2 was even released so I am not biased or a fanboy. I vastly prefer NwN2 after years playing both.
Mask of the Betrayer. Ability to create your party from scratch in Storm of Zehir. More powerful toolset. Sort button in inventory. Better bags of holding. Ton of subraces, classes and prestige classes as well as spells.
The list goes on and on. Yes, NwN1 is very polished but that's after a ton of patches. NwN2 was both rushed and they didn't allow them to update it more by Atari. The next patch was ready but was never released.
NwN1 was a mess before all the patches. I still remember how much I was crashing even after installing Hordes of the Underdark. It wasn't perfect on release.
And really after so many expansions and patches, they didn't bother to add proper party gameplay like in NwN2 or the Infinity Engine games. That's a huge con of NwN1.
Both NWN1 OC and NWN2 OC had mediocre stories and characters if you ask me. I haven't actually played any of the expansions of NWN2 yet (although I hear one is very good) but Hordes of the Underdark did improve upon NWN1's shortcomings namely the party system and the story too. The story of HotU had very interesting choices and consequences and multiple endings too, meanwhile you could actually influence companions this time around and manage their inventory. The companions were a lot more memorable as well. Perhaps I am seeing through rose-tinted glasses with NWN as it was the first I played out of the two.
Out of Storm of Zehir and Mask of the Betrayer, what expansion for NWN2 would any of you recommend the most?
i preferred SoZ because it is more open-ended sandboxy play, and involves long journeys.
Most prefer MotB because it has a pretty intense story -- but i found that it stretched credibility, and was rushed play.
No one here was crying about NWN 2's existence and it being made by Obsidian. Where the hell did you get that idea from?
Not on this forum, I grant, because it didn't exist at the time. Nor on the previous incarnation of this forum, for the same reason. But on the no-longer-accessible Bioboards, yes, people were. And I seem to have recently seen someone say something to the effect of "but it is an Obsidian game so I don't know why I'm surprised really"...
The amount of unpatched bugs still in NWN2 is unbelievable but it is an Obsidian game so I don't know why I'm surprised really.
You're right; I don't believe it. What unpatched bugs are you referring to?
I'd wager this thread makes for more interesting discussion than all those other threads you've got going here with 1-3 replies which are bug related.
If by "interesting", you mean popcorn-munching entertainment of the sort that trolls enjoy, then I might be willing to grant that assertion. As for myself, I don't find pointless debate about the differences in these games to be particularly interesting. I'm currently involved in much more interesting discussions about scripts and custom content here.
Not on this forum, I grant, because it didn't exist at the time. Nor on the previous incarnation of this forum, for the same reason. But on the no-longer-accessible Bioboards, yes, people were. And I seem to have recently seen someone say something to the effect of "but it is an Obsidian game so I don't know why I'm surprised really"...
The previous incarnation of this forum were the Bioware legacy forums from 2007 (6?). Shallina joined 2009. The pre-forum update threads from that era can still be viewed so no, I think he/she was thinking that's what people in this thread were arguing about otherwise why make a comment to refer to people from almost a decade ago?
Also, my comment on Obsidian was about their bugs not that I hate them for making NWN2 and it also came after he/she posted so your point is redundant unless Shallina can predict the future. Indeed, it should never be surprising that you'll get bugs in an Obsidian game but that's another topic, there's no need to white knight for them.
You're right; I don't believe it. What unpatched bugs are you referring to?
http://forums.steamp...d.php?t=1716083
If by "interesting", you mean popcorn-munching entertainment of the sort that trolls enjoy, then I might be willing to grant that assertion. As for myself, I don't find pointless debate about the differences in these games to be particularly interesting. I'm currently involved in much more interesting discussions about scripts and custom content here.
If you don't want to contribute to threads like these, ignore them. 
Kinda seems illogical of you posting if you find debates like these "pointless." Also the discussion had moved from that as I was asking people which NWN2 expansion they would recommend the most in the last post. I digress, you enjoy those topics about scripts then and let others enjoy this one.
I played a LOTR server for 4 years for all the time I played NwN.
Just from that server, I learnt a lot about the game and how a lot of feats work etc.
I started building my own modules for fun for 2 years before switching to NwN2.
While in those 2 years, I found out I had NwN2 through a steam package I bought. I tried it out and had no idea how to place a tree lol
Once I thought of giving NwN2 a second chance (I saw a video on it's toolset and it looked a lot better), I gave it a chance and now I've been working on my project for 4 years. It's pretty much like a switch over. I was working on my project on Nwn1 for 2 years, then I had to do it all over again >_<
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Both games have there flaws.
NwN1, the gameplay was amazing, but of course the graphics weren't, though it was released around 2003-2005?
Some reason grass seemed more detailed than skyrims grass to this day lol
Building areas and interiors was easy.
Here is my verdict:
Interiors: Nwn1 > Nwn2
Exteriors: Nwn1 < Nwn2
Graphics: Nwn1 / Nwn2 - You can't compare the graphics tbf, one games old, one games newer.
Quests: Nwn1 < Nwn2 - Nwn2 - I seemed to learn it better on Nwn2, I never really knew how to do quests in Nwn1.
Convos: Nwn1 > Nwn2
Gameplay/camera angles: Nwn1 > Nwn2 - Some reason it's hard to attack anything directly infront of you unless you're turning your camera.
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In total, I think Nwn1 seemed more stable and like a real game.
Nwn2 seems more buggy. Yes, I am going to say buggy lol, everyone pretty much already knows it.
They both win.
Nwn1, I had those lovely moments just roleplaying with a person, with the nice environment.
Nwn2, even my own project, I can stand in an area and get losted in the view 
why make a comment to refer to people from almost a decade ago?
Because those are the ones that happened. That's when the bad blood occurred, and people around here know about it. Saying "where the hell did you get that idea" was essentially claiming they never happened.
it should never be surprising that you'll get bugs in an Obsidian game but that's another topic, there's no need to white knight for them.
Funny -- The only people I ever hear jumping to use the phrase "white knight" in this context are trolls. Very strange, since I know you objected to being called one. Congratulations on being the first to call me that, though.
Good, good. That's one so far. I can believe that, even though I haven't experienced it in my playtime. You said the number was unbelievable, though. What are the rest?
One thing that has saved many a problematic game has been releasing the source code so that the community can create patches of their own. That certainly hasn't happened for NWN2, and I can't find any reference to it happening for NWN either. It seems we're restricted to papering over the cracks as best we can, rather than tackle the bugs at their source.
Because those are the ones that happened. That's when the bad blood occurred, and people around here know about it. Saying "where the hell did you get that idea" was essentially claiming they never happened.
Which is irrelevant to even mention now since it's a decade later.
Funny -- The only people I ever hear jumping to use the phrase "white knight" in this context are trolls. Very strange, since I know you objected to being called one. Congratulations on being the first to call me that, though.
If you wish but you are one when you're defending somebody else making up a context for his attack. Let him explain what he meant or you are white knighting. Also nice argument fallacy.
Good, good. That's one so far. I can believe that, even though I haven't experienced it in my playtime. You said the number was unbelievable, though. What are the rest?
Why not look at the wiki for more instead of making something out of nothing in a "pointless" debate hmm? Those are just the written ones on the wiki, we have others like the one mentioned on steam, then all the compatibility issues that the game suffers from, the character movement bugs and finally the graphical glitches. People here even agree the game is buggy so you really are arguing a pointless debate now, particularly one against facts.
If you're not interested in comparing NWN to NWN2 kindly go away. I care little for your Shallina and even littler for your derailing of this thread.
Cool story, bro.
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Yep, a running gag I use from the off-topic section which I frequent but explain how this topic is a troll topic?
"I don't agree with you therefore u r troll!"
Nice logic kamal_, stick to your mods please.
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Don't like the topic, don't post.
There was no real need to bring this topic back after 6 months.
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