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[Senya]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
No freedom for everybody without religion getting in the way.

What about religious freedom?

Some freedoms have to be done away with for Freedom.

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Maybe the current Tevinter isn't all bad maybe fenris is just a bitter annoying loser from a dying species and only purpose for being in DA2 was to offset anders or maybe the current Archon in Tevinter is more powerful then the previous ones and is trying to save the imperium and amend past mistakes but a few of the other magister don't like it and are to scared to lose slaves because they have been relying on them so much.

Maybe you have no evidence for this speculation while I can, right this very instant, post a letter penned by a Magister where she sacrifices a young girl and talks of replacing her as if she was mobiliary.
Tevinter is scum. Period.

Maybe that magister was just a raving lunatic with no connection to the current Archon who is trying to stop such things but with people like her its difficult to fully do such a thing.

[Afro_Explosion]

MisterJB wrote...

Honestly, let's try to tackle this whole notion that normal people don't like mages because the Chantry tells them to.
It's actually the other way around. The Chantry's policies are a direct result of being created by a culture of people that spent millenia living under the opression of magic and violently ovethrew their magical opressors.
Basically, the beliefs of the Chantry didn't appear out of nowhere. They exist because the normal people of Thedas just don't bloody like mages rather than the other way around.

im surprised no one mentioned this, medieval europe was heavily superstitious, thedas would be doubly so because magic exists: Crops fail burn the mage, stillbirth burn the mage, plauge burn the mage, that the solution of the common people no circles just fire.

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Maybe that magister was just a raving lunatic with no connection to the current Archon who is trying to stop such things but with people like her its difficult to fully do such a thing.

Where exactly is it said that the current Archon is trying to change anything?
In fact, Lambert who was a friend of the current Archon claims that he is just like all others: corrupt and willing to do anything to anyone in order to keep his power.

[Hazegurl]

Explain Denarius sacrificing a young boy at a party to impress a bunch of Magisters?

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
No freedom for everybody without religion getting in the way.

What about religious freedom?

That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

[Senya]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Maybe the current Tevinter isn't all bad maybe fenris is just a bitter annoying loser from a dying species and only purpose for being in DA2 was to offset anders or maybe the current Archon in Tevinter is more powerful then the previous ones and is trying to save the imperium and amend past mistakes but a few of the other magister don't like it and are to scared to lose slaves because they have been relying on them so much.

Maybe you have no evidence for this speculation while I can, right this very instant, post a letter penned by a Magister where she sacrifices a young girl and talks of replacing her as if she was mobiliary.
Tevinter is scum. Period.

Maybe that magister was just a raving lunatic with no connection to the current Archon who is trying to stop such things but with people like her its difficult to fully do such a thing.

Can we imagine one of the Divines was trying to reform things as well, but was killed by a blood mage? :innocent:

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

[Senya]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
No freedom for everybody without religion getting in the way.

What about religious freedom?

That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

Just so long as you get to decide what kind of freedoms people have.

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Maybe that magister was just a raving lunatic with no connection to the current Archon who is trying to stop such things but with people like her its difficult to fully do such a thing.

Where exactly is it said that the current Archon is trying to change anything?
In fact, Lambert who was a friend of the current Archon claims that he is just like all others: corrupt and willing to do anything to anyone in order to keep his power.

Is lambert guy a templar? if so maybe thats why he feels that way plus they chantry is just as corrupt and will to do anything to keep themselves in power to.

[Texhnolyze101]

Hazegurl wrote...

Explain Denarius sacrificing a young boy at a party to impress a bunch of Magisters?

I'm pretty sure not every magister is like them.

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

[Cainhurst Crow]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
I don't want to become a dictator

OBJECTION!!!!!!!

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Not if a law is passed so that if anyone tries to create a new religion it will be punishable by death.

[Senya]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

And suppressing it caused no problems in the real world at all.

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

[Cainhurst Crow]

101ezylonhxeT is a dictator in game, it is known.

[Texhnolyze101]

almostinsane99 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

And suppressing it caused no problems in the real world at all.

If it stop s cults like the chantry from coming into existence i don't see a problem :\\

[Br3admax]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

Superior intellect, fool. 

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Is lambert guy a templar? if so maybe thats why he feels that way plus they chantry is just as corrupt and will to do anything to keep themselves in power to.

And why exactly is it that the word of a Seeker that witnessed first hand magical opression can't be trusted?
By that same logic, I can say all Circle mages are biased and their words regarding life in the Circle can't be trusted.

[Uccio]

MisterJB wrote...

Honestly, let's try to tackle this whole notion that normal people don't like mages because the Chantry tells them to.
It's actually the other way around. The Chantry's policies are a direct result of being created by a culture of people that spent millenia living under the opression of magic and violently ovethrew their magical opressors.
Basically, the beliefs of the Chantry didn't appear out of nowhere. They exist because the normal people of Thedas just don't bloody like mages rather than the other way around.

Or maybe they were just a bunch of people who sniffed the opportunity to jump in the Andrastian wagon to get themselves a powerful position. For a non-mage that is.

Modifié par Ukki, 02 décembre 2013 - 09:45 .

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

[Cainhurst Crow]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

Like you would to anyone who would want to pray or give blessings to others?

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Is lambert guy a templar? if so maybe thats why he feels that way plus they chantry is just as corrupt and will to do anything to keep themselves in power to.

And why exactly is it that the word of a Seeker that witnessed first hand magical opression can't be trusted?
By that same logic, I can say all Circle mages are biased and their words regarding life in the Circle can't be trusted.

Well if he actually witnessed every mage in Tevinter cutting themselves and doing blood magic for every little thing then yeah that would be different.

[Texhnolyze101]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

Like you would to anyone who would want to pray or give blessings to others?

If that's all the chantry did then there wouldn't be a problem but they don't.

[Cainhurst Crow]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

Like you would to anyone who would want to pray or give blessings to others?

If that's all the chantry did then there wouldn't be a problem but they don't.

So kill everyone is your answer? Anyone who believes in andraste and the maker gets to go into a ditch and get shoot and buried in mass?

That is the answer you propose to this problem, and that is why you are a liar in saying you aren't a dictator. Because only a dictator uses fear and death as a means of persuading others to their side.