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[Afro_Explosion]

@ 101ezylonhxeT it seems you dont just have a problem with the chantry, you have a problem with religion.You want to abolish religion and cherrypick freedoms based on what might happen, which makes you no better than the chantry.

[Senya]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

Like you would to anyone who would want to pray or give blessings to others?

If that's all the chantry did then there wouldn't be a problem but they don't.

So kill everyone is your answer? Anyone who believes in andraste and the maker gets to go into a ditch and get shoot and buried in mass?

That is the answer you propose to this problem, and that is why you are a liar in saying you aren't a dictator. Because only a dictator uses fear and death as a means of persuading others to their side.

Stalin did it. Oh, wait...

Mao did... No, wait...

Pol Pot... No, I got it...













Eh, I give up.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 02 décembre 2013 - 10:06 .

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Well if he actually witnessed every mage in Tevinter cutting themselves and doing blood magic for every little thing then yeah that would be different.

And have you, or anyone else for that matter, actually witnessed every Templar abusing a mage or every priest spreading "propaganda"?
No, but that doesn't stop you from wanting to abolish both.

[Texhnolyze101]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

[Senya]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

So, Freedom of Speech is a no-no?

[Texhnolyze101]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
That will just create another chantry people can do without that particular piece of freedom.

So, you get to decide which freedoms are acceptable and which are not.

No I'm just saying that this particular one isn't needed and will only cause problems again.

So, basically, you get to decide which freedoms are needed and which are not.
What exactly gives you the right or capability to determine which freedoms will only cause problems and which will not?

The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

Like you would to anyone who would want to pray or give blessings to others?

If that's all the chantry did then there wouldn't be a problem but they don't.

So kill everyone is your answer? Anyone who believes in andraste and the maker gets to go into a ditch and get shoot and buried in mass?

That is the answer you propose to this problem, and that is why you are a liar in saying you aren't a dictator. Because only a dictator uses fear and death as a means of persuading others to their side.

And the way it currently is is any better?

[MisterJB]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

So, religious freedom is a no-go, same for freedom of speech as well as freedom of association.
Anything else?

[LOLandStuff]

101ezylonhxet, using a game's religion to try and bash real life religions.

You made Raijin, an avid mage supporter, waste tears, and give pro-mages a bad name by using their plight as an excuse to crusade against those who want to believe in something.

[Vulpe]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

That's "a little" extreme. Don't expect your reign of terror to last too much. People don't really like to live in a world that deprives them of their freedom and punishes non-agressive actions with death.

[Texhnolyze101]

almostinsane99 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

So, Freedom of Speech is a no-no?

freedom of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

[Senya]

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

So, religious freedom is a no-go, same for freedom of speech as well as freedom of association.
Anything else?

Don't forget Freedom of Assembly. That goes hand in hand with Freedom of Association, but is slightly different since it's the freedom to assemble in public places whle Freedom of Association is the freedom to join an association or associate/not associate with people.

[Vulpe]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

freedom of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

To the gallows ? For preaching your religion in public spaces ?

What would you see as a fitting punishment for a man that steals some patatoes to feed his family?

[Senya]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

So, Freedom of Speech is a no-no?

freedom of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

So, it's a no-no.

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

freedom
of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to
yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

To the gallows ? For preaching your religion in public spaces ?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

What would you see as a fitting punishment for a man that steals some patatoes to feed his family?

Slow torture over hot coals while watching the guard slaughter said family?

Modifié par almostinsane99, 02 décembre 2013 - 10:24 .

[General TSAR]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

And I thought I was a radical. 

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
The chantry already proves religion will be nothing but trouble and used as an excuse to lock mages up or silence anyone that doesn't agree with them

And what if some people want to worship the Maker? Will you silence them?

As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to preach it openly then no but if they take to the street in a attempt to get something like chantry to be created again then they are going to die.

And I thought I was a radical. 

It's not even funny when they do it either. 

[Texhnolyze101]

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

freedom of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

To the gallows ? For preaching your religion in public spaces ?

What would you see as a fitting punishment for a man that steals some patatoes to feed his family?

A simple lashing here is fine since the only harm here is a stolen potato while a preacher could cause havok and pain for certain groups of people because their "God" told them these certain groups of people are bad.

[Hazegurl]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Explain Denarius sacrificing a young boy at a party to impress a bunch of Magisters?

I'm pretty sure not every magister is like them.

What about the people who attended his party?

[LOLandStuff]

Meanwhile, under 101ezylonhxeT's rule

[Vulpe]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

freedom of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

To the gallows ? For preaching your religion in public spaces ?

What would you see as a fitting punishment for a man that steals some patatoes to feed his family?

A simple lashing here is fine since the only harm here is a stolen potato while a preacher could cause havok and pain for certain groups of people because their "God" told them these certain groups of people are bad.

So you'll mentain peace by bloodshed and by killing people that would get tired of this brutal governing system and try to manifest their displeasure in public spaces ?

What are the traits a guard that follows you beliefs and rules should posses to be pleasing and up to the job in your eyes ?

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 02 décembre 2013 - 10:37 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Hazegurl wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Explain Denarius sacrificing a young boy at a party to impress a bunch of Magisters?

I'm pretty sure not every magister is like them.

What about the people who attended his party?

Is this a party every magister knows about or a party where only the people who get off on that type of thing knows about? if its the latter then these type of things are probably done in private.

[General TSAR]

I'm a bit more classy than that. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 02 décembre 2013 - 10:42 .

[Texhnolyze101]

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

freedom of speech is fine but if it revolves religion its best to keep it to yourself if you don't want the town guard to bring you to the gallows.

To the gallows ? For preaching your religion in public spaces ?

What would you see as a fitting punishment for a man that steals some patatoes to feed his family?

A simple lashing here is fine since the only harm here is a stolen potato while a preacher could cause havok and pain for certain groups of people because their "God" told them these certain groups of people are bad.

So you'll mentain peace by bloodshed and by killing people that would get tired of this brutal governing system and try to manifest their displeasure in public spaces ?

What are the traits a guard that follows you beliefs and rules should posses to be pleasing and up to the job in your eyes ?

Actually my guards would kinda be like the thalmor...which is funny because I hate them yet i love their race.

[ScarMK]

Can we revoke 101ezy's atheist card?

[Vulpe]

@General TSAR

Let's not put gasoline on the fire.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 02 décembre 2013 - 10:49 .