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[badboy64]

Lord Raijin wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Maybe that magister was just a raving lunatic with no connection to the current Archon who is trying to stop such things but with people like her its difficult to fully do such a thing.

Where exactly is it said that the current Archon is trying to change anything?
In fact, Lambert who was a friend of the current Archon claims that he is just like all others: corrupt and willing to do anything to anyone in order to keep his power.

Is lambert guy a templar? if so maybe thats why he feels that way plus they chantry is just as corrupt and will to do anything to keep themselves in power to.

And thats why you need to read the novels, to get information on the charaters that you're debating on. Lambert is not a templar but Lord Seeker.  Perhabs if you read Asunder you would get a brief history on the man, and spend less time on the maybe and more time heeding to the facts.

I am the same way as this person we are arguing with. I don't read books, or novels or even read most of the codexs from the DA games yet I spend alot time playing the games. I only read the game manuals associated with the games I am play.

[Texhnolyze101]

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

You people just don't understand me

You're not making our job any easier. Also, isn't a little immature to acuse a dozen people that they are unable to comprehend your beliefs and justifications ?

EDIT

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Mages a are no more important then a non-mage but mages are better then non-mages because of what magic allows them to do like turning their body into to rock armor or being able to heal your wounds easily or being able to interact with creatures from another dimension like the fade.

Those powers also permit them to kill hundreds of innocents in a matter of minutes.

Why would how you are born or where you are born make you any better ? Souldn't actions be the ones that speak volumes ? Shouldn't what you decide to do with your powers (magic or not ) make you more of a better person and individual in a society? 

I guess so but sometimes there are people who are just naturally better at something then someone and that will never change.

[Cainhurst Crow]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

You people just don't understand me

You're not making our job any easier. Also, isn't a little immature to acuse a dozen people that they are unable to comprehend your beliefs and justifications ?

Its feels like I'm the only person who can see how much Thedas would be with no religion in it and how much better the people of Thedas would be better without it.

Ahhhhhhhh, how sad that nobody agrees with your genocidal dictatorship approach to mass murder of the religious being right. Let me play you lacrymosa on my tiny violin to help play you off.

The fact that you're trying to play the "feel sorry for me" card at this stage, after everything you've said, is pathetic.

[Vulpe]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I guess so but sometimes there are people who are just naturally better at something then someone and that will never change.

That applies to everyone. If you take a mage and peasant then you will find that:

- the mage is more useful in combat and healing

- the peasent is better at working the land, growing animals and plants, growing and taking care of children.

Everyone is more worse at some things than some people, but better at other things than the same people.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 03 décembre 2013 - 12:05 .

[Br3admax]

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I guess so but sometimes there are people who are just naturally better at something then someone and that will never change.

That applies to everyone. If you take a mage and peasant then you will find that:

- the mage is more useful in combat and healing

- the peasent is better at working the land, growing animals and plants, growing and taking care of children.

Everyone is worse at something than some people, but better at other things than the same people.

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

[Texhnolyze101]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

You people just don't understand me

You're not making our job any easier. Also, isn't a little immature to acuse a dozen people that they are unable to comprehend your beliefs and justifications ?

Its feels like I'm the only person who can see how much Thedas would be with no religion in it and how much better the people of Thedas would be better without it.

Ahhhhhhhh, how sad that nobody agrees with your genocidal dictatorship approach to mass murder of the religious being right. Let me play you lacrymosa on my tiny violin to help play you off.

The fact that you're trying to play the "feel sorry for me" card at this stage, after everything you've said, is pathetic.

I don't need you to feel sorry for me i know what i think and have no plans to change them either.

[Vulpe]

Br3ad wrote...

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

So you say that a mage would be as good as a peasant in plowing the land or taking care of the cows ?

EDIT

Sorry, now I've read your comment with a little extra attention. What I am trying to say is that the way you are born doesn't necessarily makes you better. While a mage would get the hocus pocus from birth, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be better than a non mage.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 03 décembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

You people just don't understand me

You're not making our job any easier. Also, isn't a little immature to acuse a dozen people that they are unable to comprehend your beliefs and justifications ?

Its feels like I'm the only person who can see how much Thedas would be with no religion in it and how much better the people of Thedas would be better without it.

Ahhhhhhhh, how sad that nobody agrees with your genocidal dictatorship approach to mass murder of the religious being right. Let me play you lacrymosa on my tiny violin to help play you off.

The fact that you're trying to play the "feel sorry for me" card at this stage, after everything you've said, is pathetic.

I don't need you to feel sorry for me i know what i think and have no plans to change them either.

And I have no plans to alter my critiques and irritation of your points.

[Br3admax]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

So you say that a mage would be as good as a peasant in plowing the land or taking care of the cows ?

EDIT

Sorry, now I've read your comment with a little extra attention. What I am trying to say is that the way you are born doesn't necessarily makes you better. While a mage would get the hocus pocus from birth, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be better than a non mage.

But there is nothing stopping them. A peasant will never be as powerful or useful as a mage. But any mage could learn to plow the fields, and then strengthen themselves with magic to do it. Or use force magic to move the Earth easier. The mage is always at the advantage. 

[Vulpe]

Br3ad wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

So you say that a mage would be as good as a peasant in plowing the land or taking care of the cows ?

EDIT

Sorry, now I've read your comment with a little extra attention. What I am trying to say is that the way you are born doesn't necessarily makes you better. While a mage would get the hocus pocus from birth, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be better than a non mage.

But there is nothing stopping them. A peasant will never be as powerful or useful as a mage. But any mage could learn to plow the fields, and then strengthen themselves with magic to do it. Or use force magic to move the Earth easier. The mage is always at the advantage. 

That if he can master his powers to do such feats. If he indeed succeds in doing this and learns the peasant job, then he'll make a better job.

If he doesn't he could set the field of fire, accidentaly kill somebody or even become an abomination if he's not careful.

It's a two sided sword that can make them either very good or very bad. A non-mage doesn't have this hadicap+perk combo.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 03 décembre 2013 - 12:18 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Br3ad wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

So you say that a mage would be as good as a peasant in plowing the land or taking care of the cows ?

EDIT

Sorry, now I've read your comment with a little extra attention. What I am trying to say is that the way you are born doesn't necessarily makes you better. While a mage would get the hocus pocus from birth, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be better than a non mage.

But there is nothing stopping them. A peasant will never be as powerful or useful as a mage. But any mage could learn to plow the fields, and then strengthen themselves with magic to do it. Or use force magic to move the Earth easier. The mage is always at the advantage. 

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

[ScarMK]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

[BlazingSpeed]

Dayze wrote...

So were the Red Templars thrown just to make The Templar side even more murky and ambiguous?

I mean; now just like Mages they have their "abominable" forms. If they had tendencies to go berskerk ala Meredith than.....how aren't they every bit the danger any mage is?

Agreed, the Red Templar faction seems like a convenient plot device thrown in to make Templars seem as dangerous as mages can be.

Aren't the events of Kirkwall (Meredith and the red lyrium...) known to most Templars?

That Dawn of the seeker anime made it seem like what happened at Kirkwall was somewhat common knowledge. 

Modifié par BlazingSpeed, 03 décembre 2013 - 12:20 .

[Vulpe]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

So you say that a mage would be as good as a peasant in plowing the land or taking care of the cows ?

EDIT

Sorry, now I've read your comment with a little extra attention. What I am trying to say is that the way you are born doesn't necessarily makes you better. While a mage would get the hocus pocus from birth, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be better than a non mage.

But there is nothing stopping them. A peasant will never be as powerful or useful as a mage. But any mage could learn to plow the fields, and then strengthen themselves with magic to do it. Or use force magic to move the Earth easier. The mage is always at the advantage. 

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

The mages in TES don't become blood thirsty abominations. While I agree they deserve more freedom and better treatement, a force of special trained men than can handle such situations as fast as possible and reduce the number of victims to a minimum should always exist.

[Br3admax]

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

[Br3admax]

JulianWellpit wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

There is nothing that inheriently makes peasants better at anything you said that they would be better at. Demons aside, the mage will always be better at just about everything. 

So you say that a mage would be as good as a peasant in plowing the land or taking care of the cows ?

EDIT

Sorry, now I've read your comment with a little extra attention. What I am trying to say is that the way you are born doesn't necessarily makes you better. While a mage would get the hocus pocus from birth, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be better than a non mage.

But there is nothing stopping them. A peasant will never be as powerful or useful as a mage. But any mage could learn to plow the fields, and then strengthen themselves with magic to do it. Or use force magic to move the Earth easier. The mage is always at the advantage. 

That if he can master his powers to do such feats. If he indeed succeds in doing this and learns the peasant job, then he'll make a better job.

If he doesn't he could set the field of fire, accidentaly kill somebody or even become an abomination if he's not careful.

It's a two sided sword that can make them either very good or very bad. A non-mage doesn't have this hadicap+perk combo.

You know what they say about bigger risks. 

[Vulpe]

Br3ad wrote...

You know what they say about bigger risks. 

Here it comes to personal preferences. I would never take risks that put any other person besides myself in danger for the posibility of a bigger reward/bonus/gain et cetera.

If you do, then be my guest.

[Texhnolyze101]

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

TES mages who aren't trained properly can cause havoc to like that one mage in TES4 who made an entire town of people become invisible which caused them to not make money because travelers are scared to go there or how about necromancers? they are blood mages of TES or how about vampires and liches? they are all just as dangerous as any abomination yet the people of TES don't want them locked up in a big tower never to see their family again.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 03 décembre 2013 - 12:28 .

[Texhnolyze101]

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

Its not the same but still just as dangerous.

[Br3admax]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

Its not the same but still just as dangerous.

No, it's not. 

[nightscrawl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

The only Dragon Age related stuff i care about is the games they should just put lore based stuff there.

So you expect Bioware to insert their novel books inside the game? Not going to happen.

Supposedly it will...

David Gaider wrote...

For those concerned about how the comic affects the "canon" of their playthrough: it doesn't. If we feel the need to refer to the events of the comic in the course of a game (and that's if), it would depend on what the particulars of that import were. If Alistair was alive and the other details matched up, then perhaps it happened. Otherwise it didn't, or it happened slightly differently. That's the luxury that a game allows.

David Gaider wrote...

Anything introduced from those stories into future games would need to be done on the assumption someone didn't read them, so you're not required to.

David Gaider wrote...

It's not impossible for characters from the books to play a part in the games-- though they'd need to be introduced in the games as if they were brand new characters, without assuming any knowledge on the part of the player. Someone like Rhys, for example, would also need to take into account that, if he spoke about any events from the book's timeline, his tale might differ from what happened in the books based on the choices the player made in DAO (not impossible to do in a game, of course, unlike with the books).

Whether that would be a worthwhile endeavour is really a separate question.

Although I have read all of the novels and comics, this is my preferred method. If you consider The Stolen Throne and how the events of that novel were touched on during DAO, knowledge of the novel enriched the player's experience during the game, particularly where Loghain is concerned, but was not required. The same can be said of The Calling in regard to playing DAA.

If you consider that you are supposed to be role playing, and that the knowledge of your character would be limited to what they experience during the game and whatever foreknowledge you choose to bestow on them (for instance, I never have my mage characters ask about phylacteries and such, figuring they would know), there is no reason they would know that Loghain was in love with Rowan, what happened between Maric and Fiona, or other personal details.

This is how the ancillary materials enrich the game world, but at the same time are not required to enjoy the game on its own merits. My perspective on Loghain was changed quite a bit after I read The Stolen Throne, but even with that knowledge now, it does not change the actions of my Wardens in successive plays of DAO, or with the Architect after having read The Calling.

Obviously, you may choose to RP however you wish, the above is just my method and only mentioned to illustrate how the ancillary materials are not required. Given the previous history with The Stolen Throne and The Calling, how they affected those games, and David Gaider's statements above, I have a positive outlook regarding the inclusion of novel and/or comic material in DAI.


This post was a bit longer than I originally intended... o_O

[Texhnolyze101]

Br3ad wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

Its not the same but still just as dangerous.

No, it's not. 

How is it not the same? an untrained mage in TES can cause problems especially if their experimenting with spells they don't know how to use properly.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

Its not the same but still just as dangerous.

No, it's not. 

Well....maybe not summoning demons dangerous, but I doubt Thedosians have spells that can pull out people's souls to put into gems yet...

[The Baconer]

I dunno. If they're all like "Blurgh imma go join the red templars" then sure. RP wise, if my character has no way knowing what will happen then it's not like they can make a decision based on what the player already knows.

[Reaverwind]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

TES mages who aren't trained properly can cause havoc to like that one mage in TES4 who made an entire town of people become invisible which caused them to not make money because travelers are scared to go there or how about necromancers? they are blood mages of TES or how about vampires and liches? they are all just as dangerous as any abomination yet the people of TES don't want them locked up in a big tower never to see their family again.

No, they want them dead.