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[Br3admax]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

Its not the same but still just as dangerous.

No, it's not. 

How is it not the same? an untrained mage in TES can cause problems especially if their experimenting with spells they don't know how to use properly.

Can we tear a portal to Oblivion? Nope we have protections against those. And we made them permanent.
Can we control people with their blood? Nope.
Can we conquer entire cities on our own? Nope.
Can we possess others with demons? Nope.

And finally, in ES, just about anyone can learn magic. That is a major difference. Every creature is magical on Nirn. Thedas only gives magic to the select few. 

[Lord Raijin]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Its feels like I'm the only person who can see how much Thedas would be with no religion in it and how much better the people of Thedas would be better without it.

This is your atheist side that's speaking; the closed minded side. I'm a strong agnostic and I could appreciate religion for what it has to offer to people. Theirs a huge difference between our world and the world of Thedas, where their are consent battles going on, and with civil wars. Didn't you see the reaction from the frighten people who were getting ready for battle in Redcliffe Village? They insist that the Chantry gives them a holy blessing, and to make sure that the Maker is on their side prior to the battle. 

The moral of this is that not everyone thinks like you nor share the same interests. People perfere to have religion in their lives, and for that I respect that.

Sometimes I pray as a last resort for getting rid of a distressing part of my life.

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Mages in TES don't become monsters just by sneezing or taking a nap.

Magic in ES isn't the same, so no I wouldn't like that at all. 

Its not the same but still just as dangerous.

No, it's not. 

Well....maybe not summoning demons dangerous, but I doubt Thedosians have spells that can pull out people's souls to put into gems yet...

Eh, they're already dead at that point. 

[Lord Raijin]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Theirs a huge difference between DA mages and TES mages. The fact to the matter is TES mages, especially in Skyrim are hated, especially in Winterhold. Go talk to the Stormcloak supporting Jarl and get his opinion of mages.

[Texhnolyze101]

Lord Raijin wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

This is why i wish mages in DA are treated like mages in TES

Theirs a huge difference between DA mages and TES mages. The fact to the matter is TES mages, especially in Skyrim are hated, especially in Winterhold. Go talk to the Stormcloak supporting Jarl and get his opinion of mages.

I can actually sympathize with that jarl i do feel bad for the people of that town

[Nonoru]

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

   

So, you would do exactly the same thing than "they" do?

'Kay.

Modifié par Nonoru, 03 décembre 2013 - 01:25 .

[Lord Raijin]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I can actually sympathize with that jarl i do feel bad for the people of that town

I don't. He's nothing but a racist pig. I feel sorry for the people that lives there because they have a sorry excuse for Jarl leading the hold.

[Plaintiff]

Nonoru wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

   

So, you would do exactly the same thing than "they" do?

'Kay.

It's not the same at all. Mages and Templars aren't morally equivalent groups.

Killing someone for what they're born as is not the same as killing them for what they choose to be, and killing someone for what they might do isn't the same as killing them for what they've already done.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

   

So, you would do exactly the same thing than "they" do?

'Kay.

It's not the same at all. Mages and Templars aren't morally equivalent groups.

Killing someone for what they're born as is not the same as killing them for what they choose to be, and killing someone for what they might do isn't the same as killing them for what they've already done.

What if it's a templars first day on the job? Hasn't oppressed a single mage, or given a single tranquility, or spilt a single drop of mage blood, nor raised a single fist against any mage at all.

Would you kill them? What if they went into the order to be with their mage sibling, so that the two could still be close and watch eachothers backs? Still kill them anyway? What about a templar who is looking out for their mage child and keeping them safe? Kill them anyway?

[Medhia Nox]

@Plaintiff: Didn't Maria Caliban state that Templars are taken in as children and potentially made addicted to lyrium at that point?

Even if she didn't - I believe that "is" how it's done.

You are, of course, free to justify slaughter in any way which seems most appropriate to you.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 03 décembre 2013 - 02:27 .

[KainD]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

What if it's a templars first day on the job? Hasn't oppressed a single mage, or given a single tranquility, or spilt a single drop of mage blood, nor raised a single fist against any mage at all.

Would you kill them? What if they went into the order to be with their mage sibling, so that the two could still be close and watch eachothers backs? Still kill them anyway? What about a templar who is looking out for their mage child and keeping them safe? Kill them anyway?

Yes, kill them all. They would be better off suporting the mage revolution, instead of supporting the templar order. 

[Nonoru]

Plaintiff wrote...

Nonoru wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

   

So, you would do exactly the same thing than "they" do?

'Kay.

It's not the same at all. Mages and Templars aren't morally equivalent groups.

Killing someone for what they're born as is not the same as killing them for what they choose to be, and killing someone for what they might do isn't the same as killing them for what they've already done.

   

Some templars judge people based upon that they could do/could have done to others.  
You're doing exactly the same thing you reproach from templars. Difference is that you label everyone as exactly the same type of individual. Templars aren't all extreme zealots, just like mages aren't all heathens spawn only seeking to make pacts with demons. 

The reasons as to why they get in the order might be valid ones, such as protecting/watching over a related individual, just like Thrask. Would that make them bloodthirsty monsters too? You're a bit quick to pass on judgement to me, but if that's the way you want to play, so be it. 

Modifié par Nonoru, 03 décembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Plaintiff: Didn't Maria Caliban state that Templars are taken in as children and potentially made addicted to lyrium at that point?

Even if she didn't - I believe that "is" how it's done.

You are, of course, free to justify slaughter in any way which seems most appropriate to you.

What does it matter how the person became who they are? What matters is who they are. 
You don't care how for example Morinth became what she was do you Nox? You still want to kill her. 

But I'm sure most people would like to see chantry gone as well. 

[Lokiwithrope]

Kill all the mages. Because they have a chance of becoming an abomination.

OH WAIT.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Mages would make things worse for themselves since wiping out the chantry & templars would weaken countries enough that the qunari could take over easier & qunari have much less mercy when it comes to magic.

[KainD]

Threat300 wrote...

Mages would make things worse for themselves since wiping out the chantry & templars would weaken countries enough that the qunari could take over easier & qunari have much less mercy when it comes to magic.

How would that weaken the countries? 

[Medhia Nox]

@KainD: You are right - I condemn mages who choose blood magic, demon association, and violence against mankind.

That the rest are victims of violent revolutionaries, I intend to address in Inquisition by offering any, and all, safe haven from the mage rebellion that would no doubt force them to battle Templars.

But, I'm curious - did I say at some point in the past that I couldn't wait to kill Morinth?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 03 décembre 2013 - 02:56 .

[Lord Raijin]

KainD wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Plaintiff: Didn't Maria Caliban state that Templars are taken in as children and potentially made addicted to lyrium at that point?

Even if she didn't - I believe that "is" how it's done.

You are, of course, free to justify slaughter in any way which seems most appropriate to you.

What does it matter how the person became who they are? What matters is who they are. 
You don't care how for example Morinth became what she was do you Nox? You still want to kill her. 

But I'm sure most people would like to see chantry gone as well. 

After what I seeen in Asunder this very pro mage doesn't want to see the Chantry gone. I actually want to see where  Divine Justinia V  is going, and get some explainations on her cource of action that caused the Seekers and the templars to disconnect from the Chantry.

[Nonoru]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@KainD: You are right - I condemn mages who choose blood magic, demon association, and violence against mankind.

 

I'm kinda there too, although I rather pity/feel uneasy when it comes of as a result from mages being cornered like in DA2. 

That the rest are victims of violent revolutionaries, I intend to address in Inquisition by offering any, and all, safe haven from the mage rebellion that would no doubt force them to battle Templars.

 

This. I would do the same with reasonable templars though. Case per case issue. We'll see. 

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

But, I'm curious - did I say at some point in the past that I couldn't wait to kill Morinth?

No, you said you tried to cause people to pity the templrars because they are made who they are from an early age. 
I just pointed out that Morinth was also misstreated from an early age, and you were one of the people that sided with Samara and killed her in your playthrough. Which is an equivalent of killing the templars for who they are and not for how they came to be what they are. 

[Br3admax]

KainD wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

But, I'm curious - did I say at some point in the past that I couldn't wait to kill Morinth?

No, you said you tried to cause people to pity the templrars because they are made who they are from an early age. 
I just pointed out that Morinth was also misstreated from an early age, and you were one of the people that sided with Samara and killed her in your playthrough. Which is an equivalent of killing the templars for who they are and not for how they came to be what they are. 

Yeah, that argument holds no water at all. Morinth wasn't raised to be a psychopathic killer. And we kill Morinth because:

A) There is literally no reason to take her.
She actively tried to kill us. 

A Templar swing a sword at me will die. And it's not because he is a Templar. 

[KainD]

Nonoru wrote...

I'm kinda there too, although I rather pity/feel uneasy when it comes of as a result from mages being cornered like in DA2. 

I don't even condemn cornered mages, they are fully justified to wreck havoc on everyone who is responsible for them being cornered.