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[Br3admax]

Lol, you'll be at this all day EA. You might as well drop it.

[TeamLexana]

Youth4Ever wrote...

If the if the hints/rumors of their importance to the plot are true, they will be a major enemy mook faction in DA3. I have no idea how or why the red templar army is created, but, assuming it would make a worthwhile difference, if your inquisitor could stop the creation, or the potential creation, of more red templars by killing regular templars encountered, or has the opportunity to neutralize the entire order with the same goal in mind, would s/he do it?

Destroying the entire Templar Order would only lead to the creation of some other becoming "red" as long as the red lyruim exisits, it would solve nothing and leave a power vacuum that was the only real stop gap measure used to keep an eye on mages. 

[KainD]

Br3ad wrote...

Yeah, that argument holds no water at all. Morinth wasn't raised to be a psychopathic killer. And we kill Morinth because:

A) There is literally no reason to take her.
She actively tried to kill us. 

I kinda feel like I don't want to discuss Morinth for 100 pages again, but at the same time I sometimes feel like she is a good example in some arguments.. but anyway. 

Morinth was raised a psychotic killer. 

A) Reasons to take Morinth:
1) More potential power than Samara. 
2) More loyal.
3) Doesn't condemn any player actions.
4) Samara is a **** and deserves to die. 
5) Morinth could use her dominate power somewhere along the way to help the mission out ( non meta-gaming plot reason ) 
6) I like her personality overall. 

I don't really give a damn? She tried to kill a random partying dude, until she actually got to know me better. There's plenty of people I killed. 

[Senya]

I think it should be pointed out that many Templars join the Order out of a sense of duty or the belief that they are protecting the world at large along with the Mages themselves. from the dangers of magic. You can't forget those people.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

KainD wrote...

Threat300 wrote...

Mages would make things worse for themselves since wiping out the chantry & templars would weaken countries enough that the qunari could take over easier & qunari have much less mercy when it comes to magic.

How would that weaken the countries? 

I doubt the fighting will be strictly mages vs templars, soldiers from the countries the mage revolution is taking place in will likely get involved too.

[KainD]

almostinsane99 wrote...

I think it should be pointed out that many Templars join the Order out of a sense of duty or the belief that they are protecting the world at large along with the Mages themselves. from the dangers of magic. You can't forget those people.

If I believe that hitting people on the head with a club will cure them of cancer, I'm sure others will understand me when I will go and hit a few ill ones. 

[KainD]

Threat300 wrote...

I doubt the fighting will be strictly mages vs templars, soldiers from the countries the mage revolution is taking place in will likely get involved too.

Nah, they are busy fightning demons from the veil. Which I'm not sure, but probalby Qunari will be busy with all the same. 

[KainD]

KainD
What does it matter how the person became who they are? What matters is who they are. 

EntropicAngel wrote...
I want to start arguing this with you Kain, but I still remember the 100 page thread. I'll try not to go there.

If you don't want to argue about Morinth you can say your thoughts on that ^.

Modifié par KainD, 03 décembre 2013 - 03:43 .

[KainD]

EntropicAngel wrote..

Sure, someone may have had a f*cked up childhood, but that doesn't justify murder. Never will.

Exaclty. Which means if one ( Which if I remember correctly in this case is Plaintiff ) considers Templars bad for who they are, then it doesn't matter how they came to that point. ( Being raised with lyrium addiction from childhood, etc. ) He can still want to detroy/stop them. 

Modifié par KainD, 03 décembre 2013 - 03:46 .

[KainD]

EntropicAngel wrote...

However, if you're killing people merely because you don't agree with them, there's no justifying that.

What do you mean it's not? What has humanity been doing since like.. forever? 
All wars are based on people not agreeing on something. All violence and conflict is based on disagreements, ALL of it. 

It's only when you don't agree with someone, but at the same time that person doesn't affect you and your life in any way, when the conflict doesn't rise. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 Of course not.

Removing the most capable, well equiped and expreince controlling body for mages even if it did make the short term situation better would be just moronically foolish in the long run.

Red Templars likely will be an issue to be delt with but there would be no chance of my inquistor at least in the majority of the playthroughs would take that course, the situation would have to be grim indeed for that course to even be considered.

But for sheer expediency? no.

If the world was going to end if we didn't, Perhaps but then they would be replaced.

A ward must exist between the common people and magic for the safety of both parties.

[Medhia Nox]

@EntropicAngel: Some inane argument about moral relativity in 3...2...1...

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 03 décembre 2013 - 03:59 .

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yeah, that argument holds no water at all. Morinth wasn't raised to be a psychopathic killer. And we kill Morinth because:

A) There is literally no reason to take her.
She actively tried to kill us. 

I kinda feel like I don't want to discuss Morinth for 100 pages again, but at the same time I sometimes feel like she is a good example in some arguments.. but anyway. 

Morinth was raised a psychotic killer. 

A) Reasons to take Morinth:
1) More potential power than Samara. 
2) More loyal.
3) Doesn't condemn any player actions.
4) Samara is a **** and deserves to die. 
5) Morinth could use her dominate power somewhere along the way to help the mission out ( non meta-gaming plot reason ) 
6) I like her personality overall. 

I don't really give a damn? She tried to kill a random partying dude, until she actually got to know me better. There's plenty of people I killed. 

"Morinth was raised a psychotic killer. "
No she was not. She was raised by 2 parents who loved her in the boodocks.

"1) More potential power than Samara. "
Wrong. She had more crowd control then Samara but Samara had stronger attack power.

"2) More loyal."
Let not kid ourselve. Someone trying to trick you it sleeping with her knowing full well it would kill you does not mean "LOYALTY".

"3) Doesn't condemn any player actions."
 Because she is amoral.

"4) Samara is a **** and deserves to die. "
That a big no on that. You really think she's happy that she has to kill her daughter?

"5) Morinth could use her dominate power somewhere along the way to help the mission out ( non meta-gaming plot reason )"

And can use that on other crew members.

"6) I like her personality overall. "
You have issues.

"B) I don't really give a damn? She tried to kill a random partying dude, until she actually got to know me better. There's plenty of people I killed. "

She tried to kill you again on the ship by trying to trick you into sleeping with her. Really, that's not a point or issue?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 03 décembre 2013 - 04:09 .

[Br3admax]

KainD wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yeah, that argument holds no water at all. Morinth wasn't raised to be a psychopathic killer. And we kill Morinth because:

A) There is literally no reason to take her.
She actively tried to kill us. 

I kinda feel like I don't want to discuss Morinth for 100 pages again, but at the same time I sometimes feel like she is a good example in some arguments.. but anyway. 

Morinth was raised a psychotic killer. 

A) Reasons to take Morinth:
1) More potential power than Samara. 
2) More loyal.
3) Doesn't condemn any player actions.
4) Samara is a **** and deserves to die. 
5) Morinth could use her dominate power somewhere along the way to help the mission out ( non meta-gaming plot reason ) 
6) I like her personality overall. 

I don't really give a damn? She tried to kill a random partying dude, until she actually got to know me better. There's plenty of people I killed. 

Yeah, one, no she wasn't. Notice her sisters raised in exactly the same way.

2 If you let her continue killing, stupid. Not more loyal in the slighest. That's because she's a psycho. Your opinion. When is Dominate useful, even when not metagaming? I doubt it works lorewise in any needed situation? You like her personality, great. Has nothing to do with this conversation.

She tried to kill a random person, and that screams Spec Ops to you? Wow. 

[KainD]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Notice what I said, Kain--I said there's no justifying it. not that it doesn't happen. i agree that it happens fairly often...and when it does, there's no justifying it.

How is there no justification for trying to live your life the way you want to live it? That's all you have - your life, it's a one time thing, the whole world is you, you will never be another person or be able to look at the world through someone else eyes. 
When other people worsen your quality of life you fight back, its imposible for everyone to get everything they want. 

[Medhia Nox]

@KainD: Some people do not believe that they are the most important thing in the world.

[Master Warder Z_]

KainD wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Notice what I said, Kain--I said there's no justifying it. not that it doesn't happen. i agree that it happens fairly often...and when it does, there's no justifying it.

How is there no justification for trying to live your life the way you want to live it? That's all you have - your life, it's a one time thing, the whole world is you, you will never be another person or be able to look at the world through someone else eyes. 
When other people worsen your quality of life you fight back, its imposible for everyone to get everything they want. 

Erm i do believe this ME topic is veering us off the subject to be dicussed and debated here every one.

Perhaps private messages could resolve this apparently personal debate considering its value in part to the topic of the dicussion is now being deminished.