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[Plaintiff]

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

Anders is working to combat legitimate injustice. Carver is bawling because he didn't get the toy he wanted.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

KainD wrote...

Yeah I'll brush it off. Lol
And actually yes, her death in ME3 was one of the sadest moments for me personally.

I'll bet you think a certain controversial German leader was misunderstood, too.

Otto the Red?

No, Charlie Chaplin.



Who the hell do you think?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

So basically exactly like anders.

[RobRam10]

"Templars are an abomination, a plague which leeches on our freedom". All Templars will burn before me.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well don't you just feel like such a special snowflake?

[Plaintiff]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

So basically exactly like anders.

Only if you think every civil rights activist is a toddler.

[CynicalShep]

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

Anders is working to combat legitimate injustice. Carver is bawling because he didn't get the toy he wanted.

Anders is a nutcase and a whiny nutcase at that. Couldn't stand his constant weeping. Combating legitimate injustice my foot. He is legitimate injustice. 
And no, not Otto.

[The Hierophant]

Plaintiff wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

So basically exactly like anders.

Only if you think every civil rights activist is a toddler.

How many CV activists nearly slaughtered a woman for mistakingly calling them a demon?

Modifié par The Hierophant, 03 décembre 2013 - 07:53 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
2) Flemeth calls Merrill intelligent. You can't really argue with Flemeth.

Sez who?

KainD wrote...


Why
make it complicated? You are either a carring person or an as$. I
personally don't care to which degree the as$holness goes.

Given that you don't care for 99% of the worlds population, what does that make you?

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain your continued defense of a thoroughly debased sex vampire is always entertaining.

With the helpful side effect of demolishing any point you try to argue.

Yeah, you seem to be enjoying yourself. 

Well, clowns and court jesters have been a source of entertainment for years.

1) She is worthy of freedom by being born. Justicars made the first
offensive step - imprisoned her before she became a killer. Freedom
might not mean much for you but it did for Morinth, SHE thought it was
worse than death to live in seclusion.

So if I lock you and your family in a room with an (armed) person with a severe mental disorder that makes them very violent and debased (because killing gives them much joy), you will be perfectly fine with that person killing you and your family - and should you survive (but your family doesn't), you won't complain to anyone and will advocate that killers freedom?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

So basically exactly like anders.

Only if you think every civil rights activist is a toddler.

No, there are many who do things the right way and try to work for positive change.

Then there are babies like anders who decide to mass muder people and start a war because it wasn't the exact utopia he wanted.

Basically a baby who kills lots of people because they're throwing a deadly tantrum, then demands you feel sorry for them and take their sides to shield them from punishment.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 03 décembre 2013 - 07:54 .

[Vulpe]

EntropicAngel wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't want to become a dictator lol i just want to get rid of Thedas 1st main problem and that's religion and the chantry itself. Once religion is gone and cult feeding people lies is also gone Thedas will get better and people will for once think and do things for themselves and not let the opinion of a religious cult tell them who to like and not like or who to worship and not worship.

Surely you know how naive this is.

Please tell me you're not one of those people who thinks religion is the world's only problem, and that if religion was gone men would be free-thinkers.

Just look around you. Everyone is subjecting themselves to something. Whether it be the first person shooters with no plot, played by teenage boys rapping into their headsets, or the pop music of today listened to by all, or the styles that cycle over and over through decades.

Humanity is the problem, not religion. Religion is only your scapegoat.

Exactly. It's in human nature to turn everything in a tool that offers them the capacity to get an advantage over his neighbor. Sometimes that tool becomes a force of destruction or can be used by some individuals in destructive ways.

Look at science. People find something new that can prove to be very useful and save many lives or make them better - short after that some other guys try to integrate that knowledge into something that can be used in warfare or something similar for the $ or who knows what reason.

Look at nuclear energy - nuclear plants offer a lot of energy and is more nature friendly ( still it has its risks when thing don't go according to plan , but that doesn't matter )

Did humans stopped there ? No, they created nuclear and hidrogen bombs.<_<

If you get rid of religion humans will find something else. Will you get rid of that to ? If your answer is yes then you should know it's a never ending circle.

Just because something can end up dangerous in the wrong hands, that doesn't mean that it's dangerous. Only the people that use it in such ways are dangerous. That would also apply to mages and magic among many other things.

[CynicalShep]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

No, there are many who do things the right way and try to work for positive change.

Then there are babies like anders who decide to mass muder people and start a war because it wasn't the exact utopia he wanted.

Basically a baby who kills lots of people because they're throwing a deadly tantrum, then demands you feel sorry for them and take their sides to shield them from punishment.

And the bolded is the reason templars are absolutely necessary. Having a bunch of people with the intelect of a new-born and super-powers is really bad business.

[Plaintiff]

The Hierophant wrote...
How many CV activists nearly slaughtered a woman for mistakingly calling them a demon?

That's a very specific question.

Probably none, but several did things that might be considered comparable.

But that doesn't discredit him in the least, the incident has no relevance to the coherency of his argument.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[Plaintiff]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
No, there are many who do things the right way and try to work for positive change.

That's Anders.

Then there are babies like anders who decide to mass muder people and start a war because it wasn't the exact utopia he wanted.

Basically a baby who kills lots of people because they're throwing a deadly tantrum, then demands you feel sorry for them and take their sides to shield them from punishment.

Your argument rather falls apart when one remembers that Anders lives in a society where he can be killed on sight just for existing, something no civil rights activists in recent decades have had to put up with.

He doesn't have the luxury of peaceful protest, he never did. Violence is the only way change was ever going to happen; a sentiment my Wardens actually express in Awakening, which Anders initially disagreed with.

Luckily, he grew a brain.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:01 .

[CynicalShep]

The Hierophant wrote...

How many CV activists nearly slaughtered a woman for mistakingly calling them a demon?

You just don't get it. Mages are freedom-fighters. Anders is the Che Guevara of teh mages.
Slaughtering women for calling you names should be legal, but only if done by those poor, opressed and misunderstood mages. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

No, there are many who do things the right way and try to work for positive change.

That's Anders.

Then there are babies like anders who decide to mass muder people and start a war because it wasn't the exact utopia he wanted.

Basically a baby who kills lots of people because they're throwing a deadly tantrum, then demands you feel sorry for them and take their sides to shield them from punishment.

Your argument rather falls apart when one remembers that Anders lives in a society where he can be killed on sight just for existing, something no civil rights activists in recent decades have had to put up with.

He doesn't have the luxury of peaceful protest, he never did. Violence is the only way change was ever going to happen; a sentiment my Wardens actually express in Awakening, which Anders initially disagreed with.

Luckily, he grew a brain.

Like the time he escaped from the circle 6 times and was put to dea- Oh wait he wasn't was he? And he wasn't made tranquil either.

But I'm sure his oh so oppressed ass made it okay to just up and murder a bunch of people he didn't even know, let alone who had nothing to do with his situation, just because he was feeling frustrated.

Next time we get a school shooter, we should just let him go with a slap on the wrist cause he was frustrated and fighting a system. Exactly like anders would have done, right? Kills lots of people and send a huge public message against the struture and system they feel oppressed them?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...
No, as Inquisitor its my job to deal with the Veil tears, not to fix the problems of every Sally Sob-Story that crosses my path.

If these Templars joined the order to 'protect' various mage relatives, why the hell are they still in the Templar Order now, when its stated goal is to attack mages?

Because it's not. The goal is to bring mages back to the Circles, not kill them.
The Circles exist to protect mages and mundanes alike.
So yes, a templer can do a lot more to protect his mage sibling/friend than a regular joe farmer can.

[TEWR]

Sez who?

The games and other material make it clear she knows ****. She knew a Blight would come in Maric's lifetime, knew Morrigan would try to kill her, etc.

Plus the fact that we know she's neither human, demon, or abomination. And never was, as Morrigan found something out to render those original thoughts she had (human made into abomination) obsolete per Witch Hunt.

[Plaintiff]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Like the time he escaped from the circle 6 times and was put to dea- Oh wait he wasn't was he? And he wasn't made tranquil either.

By contrast, fourteen-year-old Aneirin was run through and left for dead. And Meredith sends out death squads to assault people for even sheltering mages.

The fact that Anders wasn't killed doesn't mean the mages have any sort of rights or protection, it means he was etremely lucky. 

But I'm sure his oh so oppressed ass made it okay to just up and murder a bunch of people he didn't even know, let alone who had nothing to do with his situation, just because he was feeling frustrated.

I have no idea what this is in reference to.

Next time we get a school shooter, we should just let him go with a slap on the wrist cause he was frustrated and fighting a system. Exactly like anders would have done, right? Kills lots of people and send a huge public message against the struture and system they feel oppressed them?

What an awful, deeply offensive analogy.

Anders actually is oppressed, like all mages are. Being made to do homework is not at all the same as being stolen from your family and locked in a festering tower of rape.

If modern schools were anything like the Circle, I would absolutely support their destruction.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:17 .

[The Hierophant]

CynicalShep wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

How many CV activists nearly slaughtered a woman for mistakingly calling them a demon?

You just don't get it. Mages are freedom-fighters. Anders is the Che Guevara of teh mages.
Slaughtering women for calling you names should be legal, but only if done by those poor, opressed and misunderstood mages. 

Poor fella... lolz

Though he's a clown when compared to Guevara.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Next time we get a school shooter...Kills lots of people and send a huge public message against the struture and system they feel oppressed them?

...I would absolutely support their destruction.

[Liyros]

I do not wish to systematically commit genocide against templars, even if they're false representations in a video game. Destruction begets more destruction.

[CynicalShep]

Plaintiff wrote...

What an awful, deeply offensive analogy.

Anders actually is oppressed, like all mages are. Being made to do homework is not at all the same as being stolen from your family and locked in a festering tower of rape.

If modern schools were anything like the Circle, I would absolutely support their destruction.

You have no idea what you're talking about. There are millions of kids that are bullied in schools, while a good deal of the mages have a pretty damn good life in comparison. There has been abuse at work, in schools, in churches and in some homes. Why not burn all of those places? I mean clearly all templars are rapists, all mages are abused in those "festering towers of rape" and the worst problem all children around the world have to deal with is homework. 

Right? Right??
Generalizing makes your IQ drop by 40. Don't generalize.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:31 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plaintiff wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

It's also not Hawke's fault that people admire him while ignoring Carver. Or that they like Hawke and dislike Carver. Carver brings their dislike on himself by being a childish sulk about literally everything.

Kind of like Anders?

Kind of like a toddler.

So basically exactly like anders.

Only if you think every civil rights activist is a toddler.

Pretty much just the poorly executed fictional ones actually.