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[Cainhurst Crow]

That's not even going into the lottery system a lot of big cities use for school selection. Or how neglected some public schools have gotten and the levels of apathy the teachers have to everything.

One time a kid in my english high school class brought a meth pipe to class, and dropped it on the ground. Teacher came over, picked it up, handed it back to the kid, and said "don't drop it during clsss or it might break", and went back to lecturing us like nothing happened.

You plantiff underestimate how screwed up public education csn be.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plaintiff wrote...



Anders actually is oppressed, like all mages are. Being made to do homework is not at all the same as being stolen from your family and locked in a festering tower of rape.

If modern schools were anything like the Circle, I would absolutely support their destruction.

Clearly we have very different memories of High School...

[Plaintiff]

CynicalShep wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

What an awful, deeply offensive analogy.

Anders actually is oppressed, like all mages are. Being made to do homework is not at all the same as being stolen from your family and locked in a festering tower of rape.

If modern schools were anything like the Circle, I would absolutely support their destruction.

You have no idea what you're talking about. There are millions of kids that are bullied in schools, while a good deal of the mages have a pretty damn good life in comparison. There has been abuse at work, in schools, in churches and in some homes. Why not burn all of those places? I mean clearly all templars are rapists, all mages are abused in those "festering towers of rape" and the worst problem all children around the world have to deal with is homework. 

Right? Right??
Generalizing makes your IQ drop by 40. Don't generalize.

Yeah. As a gay man who spends his time on internet forums disussing fantasy videogames, I'm fairly well-acquainted with the sort of bullying that typically goes on in schools.

It's not comparable in the least.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:42 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plaintiff wrote...



Yeah. As a gay man who spends his time on internet forums disussing fantasy videogames, I'm fairly well-acquainted with the sort of bullying that typically goes on in schools.

It's not comparable in the least.

But you being gay really doesn't have much to do with it.

You aren't annoying because you're into dudes, you are annoying because you're kind of a ****** at all times.

[Plaintiff]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...



Yeah. As a gay man who spends his time on internet forums disussing fantasy videogames, I'm fairly well-acquainted with the sort of bullying that typically goes on in schools.

It's not comparable in the least.

But you being gay really doesn't have much to do with it.

You aren't annoying because you're into dudes, you are annoying because you're kind of a ****** at all times.

Oh, I was getting beaten up regularly through Kindergarten all the way to 11th grade because I was annoying. God, thank you so much. This question would've plagued me until my dying day. I don't kow what I'd do without you.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plaintiff wrote...

This question would've plagued me until my dying day. I don't kow what I'd do without you.

Not talking about the schools silly, but your forum history.

Please continue though it is as always entertaining.

[CynicalShep]

Plaintiff wrote...

Yeah. As a gay man who spends his time on internet forums discussing fantasy videogames, I'm fairly well-acquainted with the sort of bullying that typically goes on in schools.

It's not comparable in the least.

Yeah, tell me about how we oppress you because of your sexual orientation. Let's not play that card, or I'll tell you how hard it is to find a job regardless of your qualification as a non-citizen in the US. Keep it on topic, please.

It's only not comparable because you don't want to acknowledge that "muh mages" aren't exactly the martyrs that you're trying to paint them as. You're using a handful of mages that had it rough and compare them with the spoiled, problem-free kids. That's not how things work. Mages are provided with food, protection, education and housing, which is already more than you can say about millions of kids worldwide.

[Plaintiff]

Filament wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

But you being gay really doesn't have much to do with it.

Wow that's pretty ignorant.

I realise now he thinks I was talking about the culture of the BSN.

What I meant was that as a homosexual who is also a nerd, I got a lot of crap in school.

The culture of the BSN is pretty similar, though, and to say that homophobia isn't present here would just be a flat-out lie.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

Plaintiff wrote...

Filament wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

But you being gay really doesn't have much to do with it.

Wow that's pretty ignorant.

I realise now he thinks I was talking about the culture of the BSN.

What I meant was that as a homosexual who is also a nerd, I got a lot of crap in school.

The culture of the BSN is pretty similar, though, and to say that homophobia isn't present here would just be a flat-out lie.

While we're on this subject. I attend a very hardcore Christian school and compared to there BSN seems like a free thought utopia.

Modifié par ThisOnesUsername, 03 décembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[CynicalShep]

Filament wrote...

But you didn't just mean to say that.

Plaintiff wrote...

Yeah. As a gay man who spends his time on internet forums disussing fantasy videogames, I'm fairly well-acquainted with the sort of bullying that typically goes on in schools.

You said it.

Serious backpedaling and/or reading comprehension fail on his part IMO

Or maybe the way this sentence is written makes it seem like his time on internet forums somehow gives him knowledge about schools? 

[Plaintiff]

CynicalShep wrote...
Yeah, tell me about how we oppress you because of your sexual orientation. Let's not play that card, or I'll tell you how hard it is to find a job regardless of your qualification as a non-citizen in the US. Keep it on topic, please.

Luckily, you have the option of becoming a citizen. No such luck for mages or gays, who can't do anything to change their situations.

It's only not comparable because you don't want to acknowledge that "muh mages" aren't exactly the martyrs that you're trying to paint them as. You're using a handful of mages that had it rough and compare them with the spoiled, problem-free kids. That's not how things work. Mages are provided with food, protection, education and housing, which is already more than you can say about millions of kids worldwide.

Obviously mages are not being afforded any sort of "protection", since Templars can physically or sexually assault them with impunity.

Abused wives and children get food, education and housing, so they must also be "spoiled, problem-free kids". And if they ever say out loud that their living situation is less than ideal, they're just whining.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 09:15 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...
It's not the same at all. Mages and Templars aren't morally equivalent groups.

Killing someone for what they're born as is not the same as killing them for what they choose to be, and killing someone for what they might do isn't the same as killing them for what they've already done.

And you aren't right at all with your moral paint brush.

Mages are born extrremly dangerous, so they are NOT the same as being born with a different hair/skin color or whatnot.
Not to mention that the templars DON'T kill them just for being mages - if they did they would kill all mages. But they don't, now do they?

Killing mages in a circle that is deemd lost is NOT the same as wanton, hate-filled slaughter.
It's a cold, calculated, LOGICAL move whos goal is to save lives and prevent a disaster.

And that's why mages are killed, ti's not a matter of beign a mage, it's a matter of being dangerous. Unfortunately for mages, most of them are dangerous by nature.

Rational people in power would kill mages in a "Broken Circle" scenario just as they would kill dangerous infected people trying to escape the quarantene. Mages or not.
Wether they are born that way or not is irrelevant.

[CynicalShep]

Plaintiff wrote...

Luckily, you have the option of becoming a citizen. No such luck for mages or gays, who can't do anything to change their situations.

And what if I told you that I'd have to give up my "native" citizenship for it? Not only would I have to give up my identity, I'd also have to get a permit if I want to spend a little more time with my own family in my own country. You can date women. I'm sure you'd hate it but it's an "option", isn't it?

Plaintiff wrote...
Obviously mages are not being afforded any sort of "protection", since Templars can physically or sexually assault them with impunity.

Abused wives and children get food, education and housing, so they must also be "spoiled, problem-free kids". And if they ever say out loud that their living situation is less than ideal, they're just whining.

I can physically abuse a lot of people or animals. Yet I never do.

And you're damaging your own point. Even people who get food, education and housing can have it worse than mages. Guess what, many don't even get that much.

[CynicalShep]

Filament wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Or maybe the way this sentence is written makes it seem like his time on internet forums somehow gives him knowledge about schools? 

"Somehow" indeed, because that wouldn't make any sense, while the other interpretation does. Hence "reading comprehension."

You are assuming that everyone always makes sense. On the internet. Stop it.
He could have been home-schooled and appealing for sympathy for all I know. I don't know him, so I make no assumptions.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 03 décembre 2013 - 09:28 .

[Plaintiff]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And you aren't right at all with your moral paint brush.

Mages are born extrremly dangerous, so they are NOT the same as being born with a different hair/skin color or whatnot.
Not to mention that the templars DON'T kill them just for being mages - if they did they would kill all mages. But they don't, now do they?

Of course they don't. The Chantry needs the mages to serve their selfish goals, and sociopaths need victims to torment.

Killing mages in a circle that is deemd lost is NOT the same as wanton, hate-filled slaughter.
It's a cold, calculated, LOGICAL move whos goal is to save lives and prevent a disaster.

Except that a Circle can be deemed lost for literally any reason, there are no set criteria by which the term 'lost' is defined, and there's no justice or recourse for the victims of an unjust annulment, because everyone is dead.

The Kirkwall annulment was unjust, and so was the annulment in Rivain, because the Chantry has no business playing world police.

And that's why mages are killed, ti's not a matter of beign a mage, it's a matter of being dangerous. Unfortunately for mages, most of them are dangerous by nature.

So are lions, tigers, hippos, crocodiles and sharks. Let's cull all of them too. That's not insane.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 décembre 2013 - 09:31 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...
Luckily, you have the option of becoming a citizen. No such luck for mages or gays, who can't do anything to change their situations.

Obviously mages are not being afforded any sort of "protection", since Templars can physically or sexually assault them with impunity.

I had a female friend that was raped by a police officer. Unfortunately she had no evidence and he got away with it.

OBVIOSULY police officers can sexually and physicly assault women with impunity and thus we must KILL ALL POLICE OFFICERS!

Grand Admiral Cheeskcake wrote...
But you being gay really doesn't have much to do with it.

You aren't annoying because you're into dudes, you are annoying because you're kind of a ****** at all times.

Don't disagree with him. That will make you a homophobe!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...
Of course they don't. The Chantry needs the mages to serve their selfish goals, and sociopaths need victims to torment.

:whistle:
There aren't enough rolleye smileys in the world.

The Chantry doesn't need mages - indeed, it would be simpler for the Chantry to just kill every mage, rather than having to mantain the circles and templars and deal with mage problems.

Killing mages in a circle that is deemd lost is NOT the same as wanton, hate-filled slaughter.
It's a cold, calculated, LOGICAL move whos goal is to save lives and prevent a disaster.

Except that a Circle can be deemed lost for literally any reason, there are no set criteria by which the term 'lost' is defined, and there's no justice or recourse for the victims of an unjust annulment, because everyone is dead.

The Kirkwall annulment was unjust, and so was the annulment in Rivain, because the Chantry has no business playing world police.

Quite the contrary. The Chantry has every buisness playing world police, becuase the world agreed to it.

And there is quite a simple criteria to proclaim the circle lost - when its' overflowing with blood mages and abominations. True, when the line is crossed is determined by hte KC and the Grand Cleric, but terribly subjective it is not.
And both Kirkwall and Rivian fall nicely into those definitions.

And that's why mages are killed, ti's not a matter of beign a mage, it's a matter of being dangerous. Unfortunately for mages, most of them are dangerous by nature.

So are lions, tigers, hippos, crocodiles and sharks. Let's cull all of them too. That's not insane.

And guess why we keep lions, tigers, hippos, crocodiles and sharks in a zoo and why they DON'T live with people? (a few lunatics who takes such animals as pets and get mauled aside)
Guess why we put them down when they attack humans?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Last I checked, if a lion threatened human life, we didn't hesitate to kill it. I am just saying.

[Plaintiff]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Guess why we put them down when they attack humans?

We don't, actually. Wild animals aren't treated with the same laws as pets. If some drunk **** climbs into a lion enclosure, he's on his own.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Guess why we put them down when they attack humans?

We don't, actually. Wild animals aren't treated with the same laws as pets. If some drunk **** climbs into a lion enclosure, he's on his own.

If a lion escapes a zoo and walks into a public space filled with citizens, I can ensure you, we would shoot the bugger down.

[MisterJB]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Guess why we put them down when they attack humans?

We don't, actually. Wild animals aren't treated with the same laws as pets. If some drunk **** climbs into a lion enclosure, he's on his own.

If a lion escapes a zoo and walks into a public space filled with citizens, I can ensure you, we would shoot the bugger down.

I was just studying this yesterday. My country's civil code clearly states that, if a ferocious animal escapes enclosure, any one citizen can put it down for any reason.
I can cite the article if there are disbelievers.

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Guess why we put them down when they attack humans?

We don't, actually. Wild animals aren't treated with the same laws as pets. If some drunk **** climbs into a lion enclosure, he's on his own.

If a lion escapes a zoo and walks into a public space filled with citizens, I can ensure you, we would shoot the bugger down.

First port of call is actually to have the trainers coax the animals back into their enclosures. No zoo or wildlife facility will kill an endangered animal except as a very, very last resort.