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[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

KainD wrote...

Losers yes? Blood mages ftw! 

*facehoof*

Kain, Kain, Kain...

My dear, why do you have hooves?
And would not a hoof to the face hurt anyways?

It's ok. Just join the herd and everything will be fine.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Ya, now we can throw the whole,"Red Templars are not as dangerous as blood mages" arguement out the window.....The just mean more bad new for any one fighting them both.

I still disagree with that. They can throw a magic fireball, but can they cast blood wound? Can they literally control someone's mind? no.

But they can kill hordes of people. So what if they can control people, the red temple would just kill them. Added they themselve maybe immune to it.

We need more info, before we can make such assumptions. We know a lot more about blood magic at the moment.

We do know it needs the person to have blood to work. And all the blood magic attcks done of Meredith when she was on her red Lyrium high did not work.

Did it not work? I never used blood magic on Meredith in the final battle. Her normal immunity to magic might have been boosted by her lyrium sword.

Her red lyrium sword...The red lyrium being used by the red templers to boost themselves.

Or they managed to locate more.

[KainD]

addiction21 wrote...

Impossible since you have already decided that you are correct and anyone thinking is wrong. You by default are here to just argue why you are right and they are wrong. Not even worth the keystrokes.

Oh God. I don't even argue with people about subjective things. I only argue about universal truths. When it's a subjective thing I only listen to people and say: ''hey, good for you.'' or ''I don't mind if devs include that.'' or ''I am not interested in that, so I'd rather devs focus on something else.''
But when people say something like: ''All mages must die because Morrigan wants to kill all mages and I romanced her.'' ( completely random silly example, just to get the point across )
I'd be like: ''Well wait a second.. I don't have a problem with you wanting to kill all mages, but Morrigan never wanted to kill all mages, get your facts straight.'' 

Here people drew a false comparison between mages which is a state of birth and templars which is a worldview, and said that those two are one and the same. As that is just untrue, I decided to correct that. 

[leaguer of one]

Filament wrote...

They can also pulse with eldritch energy and become stone golems, apparently. On appearances it seems like the whole point of the red templars is to say they've become just the same as the monsters they wanted to fight.

You know what, we just need some haverster hordes... That will clean up everything. Let the maker judge who's right or wrong.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 02 décembre 2013 - 06:00 .

[Hellion Rex]

EntropicAngel wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

My dear, why do you have hooves?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]
And would not a hoof to the face hurt anyways?

Lol, nvm...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Kaiser Arian wrote...

What about you kill mages in DA3 if doing so stopped the creation of blood mages?

Let's not open that can of worms.

It's the same can of worms this topic opened.

I was merely saying that if we open the gates on that topic, it will get ugly a lot faster than this line of questioning.

But why? One should wonder why we're allowed to discuss killing Templars, but not killing mages. Is that not a double standard?

/escaping before it gets ugly

Perhaps it is better to say that I get ugly.
I will always defend my mages.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Ya, now we can throw the whole,"Red Templars are not as dangerous as blood mages" arguement out the window.....The just mean more bad new for any one fighting them both.

I still disagree with that. They can throw a magic fireball, but can they cast blood wound? Can they literally control someone's mind? no.

But they can kill hordes of people. So what if they can control people, the red temple would just kill them. Added they themselve maybe immune to it.

We need more info, before we can make such assumptions. We know a lot more about blood magic at the moment.

We do know it needs the person to have blood to work. And all the blood magic attcks done of Meredith when she was on her red Lyrium high did not work.

Did it not work? I never used blood magic on Meredith in the final battle. Her normal immunity to magic might have been boosted by her lyrium sword.

Her red lyrium sword...The red lyrium being used by the red templers to boost themselves.

Or they managed to locate more.

I don't mean they got it from her sword.

[KainD]

eluvianix wrote...
My dear, why do you have hooves?
And would not a hoof to the face hurt anyways?

He has hooves because we are friends.
And friendship is magic. 

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

They can also pulse with eldritch energy and become stone golems, apparently. On appearances it seems like the whole point of the red templars is to say they've become just the same as the monsters they wanted to fight.

Which was partially the point of Meredith and her lyrium idol. But they botched that up, and I can't say I'm looking forward to how they'll do this. If they couldn't do one, I doubt they can do an entire splinter group of the rogue Templars.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

KainD wrote...

Losers yes? Blood mages ftw! 

*facehoof*

Kain, Kain, Kain...

My dear, why do you have hooves?
And would not a hoof to the face hurt anyways?

It's ok. Just join the herd and everything will be fine.

Must not give in to peer pressure..

[AresKeith]

KainD wrote...

A person MIGHT become a Templar. If he is a Templar - it's already bad, he is doing something wrong. 

Rofl

Also

Kaiser Arian wrote...
What about you kill mages in DA3 if doing so stopped the creation of blood mages?

Modifié par AresKeith, 02 décembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[KainD]

AresKeith wrote...

KainD wrote...

A person MIGHT become a Templar. If he is a Templar - it's already bad, he is doing something wrong. 

Rofl

Also

Kaiser Arian wrote...
What about you kill mages in DA3 if doing so stopped the creation of blood mages?

There we go! This person is the embodiment of my arguing response reasons. Laughs at my subjective opinion ( which is totally fine ), but then completely fails to realise the puprose of my posted opinion, which is to explain how mages and templars are two completely different cases, and that other comment about mages and blood mages is completely irrelevant as it is unrelated. 

Modifié par KainD, 02 décembre 2013 - 06:18 .

[Peer of the Empire]

No

I would take control of the Templars and conquer the world

[esper]

No, I don't kill templars for what they might become.

My mages might have other reasons to kill the templars though.

[Liamv2]

Nope that's as stupid as killing all mages just in case they become a demon.

[SilkieBantam]

Personally I'm hoping there will be a way to control the red templars. That behemoth looked like it might be mighty useful on the battlefield.
Er but to answer the original question: Not necessarily, I won't kill anyone who I have a chance of possibly controlling. 

Modifié par SilkieBantam, 02 décembre 2013 - 09:07 .

[Kalas Magnus]

No.

They will work for me.

red or regular.

I love templars

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

KainD wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KainD wrote...

A person MIGHT become a Templar. If he is a Templar - it's already bad, he is doing something wrong. 

Rofl

Also

Kaiser Arian wrote...
What about you kill mages in DA3 if doing so stopped the creation of blood mages?

There we go! This person is the embodiment of my arguing response reasons. Laughs at my subjective opinion ( which is totally fine ), but then completely fails to realise the puprose of my posted opinion, which is to explain how mages and templars are two completely different cases, and that other comment about mages and blood mages is completely irrelevant as it is unrelated. 

Don't play smartass.

What is irrevelant is how they become mage or templar in the first place.
What matters is how they become blood mage and red templar ... by doing unconventional things. It's their own choice.

[KainD]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Don't play smartass.

What is irrevelant is how they become mage or templar in the first place.
What matters is how they become blood mage and red templar ... by doing unconventional things. It's their own choice.

But it is relevant. Only a specific group is capable of becoming the red templars, and that group is the templars. Can we stop that from happening? Yes, EASY, just destroy the templar order and don't start a new one. Templar is an idea, it is a way of life, and anyone CAN become a templar, but also everyone can be prevented from being one. 
Mages on the other hand are born for who they are. There is no way to stop one from being a mage without basically ''killing'' them, and making them into an emotionless husk. Not only that but also even if all mages are killed, new ones will be born, and that cycle of death can't be broken. unlike the Templars, which is a choice. 

[Cheylus]

I don't know exactly what is a "red templar" yet anyway.
If red templars are a threat to me and other people (and it seems like it) and if they have no free will left, I would kill them and them only.

[Zobo]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Would you kill templars in DA3 if doing so stopped the creation of red templars?

I don't need any supplementary excuses to kill templars, doing that for the sake of killing templars is good enough.

[Ieldra]

@OP:
As I see it, the Red Templars came into existence because after their rebellion against the Chantry, Lambert's faction was cut off from their lyrium supply. As my main Inquisitor will be somewhat pro-mage and I'd kill those of Lambert's faction anyway, it makes little difference to me. I'd spare the Chantry's moderates if possible - not because I like them, but because I need a better reason for killing someone than "I don't like them or what they stand for".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 décembre 2013 - 10:19 .

[Reznore57]

Well if red templars are related to red lyrium...
The lyrium idol was probably more powerful than a simple ore ...but Bartrand ended up brain damaged quite fast.
Anders was able to cure him a few minutes , so maybe something can be done to save some templars?

But the biggest thing is to try and stop people from having access to red lyrium , and not just kill everyone.
It's not exactly like mages , once somebody is born a mage , there isn't much you can do...tranquility sucks.
Red templars it's something from outside creating problem...Well also the Chantry getting them addicted in the first place wasn't really bright.

[The Elder King]

I woudn't kill templars just because they might become red templars.