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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

KainD wrote...

Mages on the other hand are born for who they are. There is no way to stop one from being a mage without basically ''killing'' them, and making them into an emotionless husk. Not only that but also even if all mages are killed, new ones will be born, and that cycle of death can't be broken. unlike the Templars, which is a choice. 

Why do mages become Blood Mages? Is it a good thing to become a Blood Mage but becoming  a red templar is the absolute evil? Is becoming a blood mage a perfection or something for magic wielders?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Youth4Ever wrote...

If the if the hints/rumors of their importance to the plot are true, they will be a major enemy mook faction in DA3. I have no idea how or why the red templar army is created, but, assuming it would make a worthwhile difference in the first place, if your inquisitor could stop the creation, or the potential creation of more red templars, by killing regular templars encountered, or has the opportunity to neutralize the entire order, would s/he do it?

Depends on my Inquisitor.

If you're asking if my self-insert Inquisitor would, then no.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill support Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress contain and slaughter protect people for having the wrong genes being incredibly dangerous to everyone, and stupid.

fix0red.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Dayze wrote...

So were the Red Templars thrown just to make The Templar side even more murky and ambiguous?

I mean; now just like Mages they have their "abominable" forms. If they had tendencies to go berskerk ala Meredith than.....how aren't they every bit the danger any mage is?

Yup. Sure looks that way.

[13Dannyboy13]

I kill them whenever I get the chance usually, maybe it's because my very first character in origins was a mage, plus I've always loved magic users in rpgs, or how batsh*t crazy they were in DA2. I hate factions that are self-righteous and preachy, thinking that they are justified by doing whatever they want. I really hope you get to kill Cullen finally in DA:I, I've been waiting since they first game for him to be killable.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I personally base my arguments on cold, hard logic...as do most of my characters.

Hence why I consider templars necessary and the comparison flawed. For better or worse, mages are significantly different from other people. And the basic logic dictates that two different things are not treated the same. You don't treat a lion the same way your treat your housecat.

[Angrywolves]

I think the Red Templars were thrown in for pure combat purposes. Since they're insane, it's going to be impossible to talk to them or negotiate with them. Players who are pro Templar will still be attacked, hopefully it will make the I'm supporting the Templars no matter what crowd rethink their position. shrugs.
And no Templars weren't necessary. You find some of them become bloodthirsty over time, there's no one watching them and the chantry has perverted the teachings of Andraste, making for an untenable situation.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 02 décembre 2013 - 12:08 .

[Plaintiff]

That's funny, because housecats, generally speaking, do a crapton more damage to their surrounding environments overall than lions.

But of course, the narcissism of the majority demands that we only give a **** about the direct impact on individual humans, not on other species or, hell, even the planet we live on. We especially have to ignore the damage done by domesticated animals, because that's actually our own fault.

Self-absorbed 'normal' humans trample over minority groups and other species with impunity, and then they whine about it when these things come back to bite them.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 02 décembre 2013 - 12:18 .

[Jaison1986]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I personally base my arguments on cold, hard logic...as do most of my characters.

Hence why I consider templars necessary and the comparison flawed. For better or worse, mages are significantly different from other people. And the basic logic dictates that two different things are not treated the same. You don't treat a lion the same way your treat your housecat.

I would actually agree with you, surprising as it might be, but the the problem here, is that unlike you, templars don't use their judgment based on logic and facts, but religous zealotry and prejudices. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

I kill them whenever I get the chance usually, maybe it's because my very first character in origins was a mage, plus I've always loved magic users in rpgs, or how batsh*t crazy they were in DA2. I hate factions that are self-righteous and preachy, thinking that they are justified by doing whatever they want. I really hope you get to kill Cullen finally in DA:I, I've been waiting since they first game for him to be killable.

The irony is strong with this one.

[LOLandStuff]

Want to know what the real problem is? It's sex.
People shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Humans, elves and qunari shouldn't reproduce because they can birth mages. No mages, no templars. Problem solved.
Only dwarves should make babies since they can't be mages.

[Lord Raijin]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Want to know what the real problem is? It's sex.
People shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Humans, elves and qunari shouldn't reproduce because they can birth mages. No mages, no templars. Problem solved.
Only dwarves should make babies since they can't be mages.

You must be one pissed off Nug. The incident in Kirkwall has really got to you.

[Afro_Explosion]

If I had too I would , but I've never roplayed a character who enjoyed killing, I acknowledge that they are people and see killing as a duty.I would at least try to negotiate a surrender instead of going straight to executions.

[LOLandStuff]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Want to know what the real problem is? It's sex.
People shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Humans, elves and qunari shouldn't reproduce because they can birth mages. No mages, no templars. Problem solved.
Only dwarves should make babies since they can't be mages.

You must be one pissed off Nug. The incident in Kirkwall has really got to you.

Is this the part where you try derailing the thread to discuss mage oppression and your Anders mancrush?

Or you just don't want dwarves ruling Thedas. That sounds racist to me.

[Hellion Rex]

mx_keep13 wrote...

If I had too I would , but I've never roplayed a character who enjoyed killing, I acknowledge that they are people and see killing as a duty.I would at least try to negotiate a surrender instead of going straight to executions.

Same. Even as a pro-mage, I would not start killing innocent templars because of what they might become, even though they have done the same to the mages.

[Lebanese Dude]

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

Brutal.

[Lebanese Dude]

eluvianix wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

If I had too I would , but I've never roplayed a character who enjoyed killing, I acknowledge that they are people and see killing as a duty.I would at least try to negotiate a surrender instead of going straight to executions.

Same. Even as a pro-mage, I would not start killing innocent templars because of what they might become, even though they have done the same to the mages.

Same.

[Jaison1986]

Lebdood wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

Brutal.

Eh, just like the templars are toward the mages if you ask me.

I would give them an chance to surrender and give up being templars. But if they don't listen.. there is only one thing left to do.

[Hellion Rex]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

Brutal.

Eh, just like the templars are toward the mages if you ask me.

I would give them an chance to surrender and give up being templars. But if they don't listen.. there is only one thing left to do.

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

[Asdrubael Vect]

eluvianix wrote...

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

2 words-RED TEMPLARS

Orlais Chantry and Templars/Seekers is no more trusted and legitimate organisations for Thedas(they already was not loved by Anderfels-Grey Wardens, Tevinter, Nevarra, Rivain/Antiva, Ferelden and after DA2 by at least 60% of Free Marshes), even in Orlais many do not like them

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 02 décembre 2013 - 02:30 .

[Plaintiff]

eluvianix wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

Brutal.

Eh, just like the templars are toward the mages if you ask me.

I would give them an chance to surrender and give up being templars. But if they don't listen.. there is only one thing left to do.

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

Lots of movements in our own history were unpopluar with society at large, but they were still the correct course of action.

The mistake lies in thinking that Mages and Templars are morally equivalent groups; they aren't. The mages are individuals, brought together by the fact that they were randomly born with a trait that causes them to be shunned by the wider populace.

The Templars, on the other hand, are a group that individuals willingly join, knowing full well that kidnapping and murder are core aspects of the job description. It's like joining a criminal gang. Joining the Templars indicates implicit approval of all the bad things they do that are part of their job, so you've already ceased to be a good person by that point.

Also, as far as we know, Templars are officially free to leave the order whenever they please, while a mage can never stop being a mage, even if they wished to. Of course, in practice this is difficult because they've become addicted to lyrium by that point; nevertheless, the option remains. They don't really have an excuse.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 02 décembre 2013 - 02:30 .

[nightscrawl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Given that I know nothing about my PC's background, class, or personality at this point, it's going to be difficult to answer this question.

My character may or may not kill various groups for a wide range of reasons.

This is pretty much how I feel about it.

Also, I'll really have to see how it's all presented in the game. In general, I'm not too keen on mindless slaughter. On the other hand, I do believe in the sacrifice of the few to save many, but I would have to be absolutely sure.

[Hellion Rex]

EntropicAngel wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

I think you're my new favorite mage supporter, because all of the vocal ones regularly, regularly, claim that two wrongs make a right.

That's why I have such trouble agreeing with their plight (even though I supported Orsino, and will continue to do so for any reasonable Hawke).

Aw, you are making me blush, my dear.
In all honesty though, what I said is really common sense. We can rant and rave about how the templars oppress us, but if we sink to the level of killing templars because of what they might become, all we do is prove to them that we are the monsters they say that we can become. And the common people will suffer by being caught in the crossfire.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Mages are dangerous, is not a bad thing to lock them up. Free mages would result in places becoming like the Tevinter Imperium, blood magic & human sacrifices being common so i wouldn't kill the templars off.