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[AresKeith]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill support Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress contain and slaughter protect people for having the wrong genes being incredibly dangerous to everyone, and stupid.

fix0red.

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[Hellion Rex]

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

Brutal.

Eh, just like the templars are toward the mages if you ask me.

I would give them an chance to surrender and give up being templars. But if they don't listen.. there is only one thing left to do.

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

Lots of movements in our own history were unpopluar with society at large, but they were still the correct course of action.

The mistake lies in thinking that Mages and Templars are morally equivalent groups; they aren't. The mages are individuals, brought together by the fact that they were randomly born with a trait that causes them to be shunned by the wider populace.

The Templars, on the other hand, are a group that individuals willingly join, knowing full well that kidnapping and murder are core aspects of the job description. It's like joining a criminal gang. Joining the Templars indicates implicit approval of all the bad things they do that are part of their job, so you've already ceased to be a good person by that point.

Also, as far as we know, Templars are officially free to leave the order whenever they please, while a mage can never stop being a mage, even if they wished to. Of course, in practice this is difficult because they've become addicted to lyrium by that point; nevertheless, the option remains. They don't really have an excuse.

And so what then? By going on a templar killing spree, we nothing but prove them right. Mages walk a hard life, yes. But that doesn't justify attempting to murder every templar.

[Hellion Rex]

Threat300 wrote...

Mages are dangerous, is not a bad thing to lock them up. Free mages would result in places becoming like the Tevinter Imperium, blood magic & human sacrifices being common so i wouldn't kill the templars off.

Indeed. Killing all templars isn't a good idea.

[Plaintiff]

eluvianix wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

I think you're my new favorite mage supporter, because all of the vocal ones regularly, regularly, claim that two wrongs make a right.

That's why I have such trouble agreeing with their plight (even though I supported Orsino, and will continue to do so for any reasonable Hawke).

Aw, you are making me blush, my dear.
In all honesty though, what I said is really common sense. We can rant and rave about how the templars oppress us, but if we sink to the level of killing templars because of what they might become, all we do is prove to them that we are the monsters they say that we can become. And the common people will suffer by being caught in the crossfire.

Well that's not my reasoning in the first place. I wouldn't kill anyone for what they might become, that's just stupid. I don't make my decisions based on potential futures, I do what I consider to be right in the moment.

[Hellion Rex]

Plaintiff wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

But does that make it right? Annihilating templars will hardly endear us to the people of Thedas.

I think you're my new favorite mage supporter, because all of the vocal ones regularly, regularly, claim that two wrongs make a right.

That's why I have such trouble agreeing with their plight (even though I supported Orsino, and will continue to do so for any reasonable Hawke).

Aw, you are making me blush, my dear.
In all honesty though, what I said is really common sense. We can rant and rave about how the templars oppress us, but if we sink to the level of killing templars because of what they might become, all we do is prove to them that we are the monsters they say that we can become. And the common people will suffer by being caught in the crossfire.

Well that's not my reasoning in the first place. I wouldn't kill anyone for what they might become, that's just stupid. I don't make my decisions based on potential futures, I do what I consider to be right in the moment.

Hang on. I think we are getting wires crossed here. I have been replying to several people recently, and I might not have been necessarily been aiming my remarks at what you were saying.

[Zazzerka]

"Would you kill templars in DA3 if doing so stopped the creation of red templars?"

Soooo, I can remove all Templars, of both the normal and Red variety? Huh. Looks like my job's done - we can all go home.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 02 décembre 2013 - 02:45 .

[Plaintiff]

eluvianix wrote...
And so what then? By going on a templar killing spree, we nothing but prove them right.

That's like saying anyone who kills in self-defense retroactively deserved to be attacked, since they were going to turn out to be a murderer anyway.

Mages walk a hard life, yes. But that doesn't justify attempting to murder every templar.

It has nothing to do with how hard mages have it, and everything to do with the fact that Templars are career killers and, furthermore, the instigators of the conflict.

In every war, there is the aggressor and the defender. The Templars are the aggressors. The Chantry agreed to give the Circles their independence, and the Circles left peacefully. Templars responded by defecting explicitly so they could hunt the mages down. The mages did not provoke them to do it.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 02 décembre 2013 - 02:46 .

[Lord Raijin]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Want to know what the real problem is? It's sex.
People shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. Humans, elves and qunari shouldn't reproduce because they can birth mages. No mages, no templars. Problem solved.
Only dwarves should make babies since they can't be mages.

You must be one pissed off Nug. The incident in Kirkwall has really got to you.

Is this the part where you try derailing the thread to discuss mage oppression and your Anders mancrush?

Or you just don't want dwarves ruling Thedas. That sounds racist to me.

And not letting Elves, Humans and Qunari reproduce to avoid mages offspring isn't being a racist? Since when is being a mage considered to be bad anyways?  I rather have someone like Anders reproduce and teach his children to care for the poor and the needy rather than someone like Ser Alrik and Ser Karras who would do far more damage to the world if they were to produce offsprings.

eluvianix wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

If I
had too I would , but I've never roplayed a character who enjoyed
killing, I acknowledge that they are people and see killing as a duty.I
would at least try to negotiate a surrender instead of going straight to
executions.

Same. Even as a pro-mage, I would not start
killing innocent templars because of what they might become, even
though they have done the same to the mages.

As a pro-mage myself I agree and follow. Just because I see templars walking about in DA3 doesn't mean that I go in auto kill mode. I would only kill them if they show signs of aggression. I am more than willing to help them as a mage.

[General TSAR]

We don't know how Templars are created so the question is kinda moot at this point.

Plaintiff wrote...

I would kill Templars anyway because they willfully joined an organization that seeks to oppress and slaughter people for having the wrong genes.

Mages are walking and breathing WMDs and Templars are there to keep them in check, deal with it.

[Jaison1986]

I think the best route is to wipe out the Templar order (either by peacefully disbanding them or just going to an killing spree, whatever suits you best) and them using the Inquisition as the new watchers of the mages. A group that pocily mages by logic and understanding and not fear and superstition.

[General TSAR]

I could care less about your subjective viewpoint, especially when you compared the circles to **** Concentration Camps.

The fact of the matter is the Templars are there to watch the Mages because Mages are inherently dangerous and this has been demonstrated countless times in Dragon Age Media.

Killing all the Templars removes the vanguard against out of control Mages preying on mundanes.

Modifié par General TSAR, 02 décembre 2013 - 02:59 .

[ScarMK]

EntropicAngel wrote...

You're thinking of Keran.  Karras was the muttonchop twirling evil guy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Oh Plaintiff you're so consistently catty.

Like a big angry teddy bear!

[General TSAR]

Sure that's an excellent idea.

There's no point arguing with someone who thinks quarantining walking WMDs for the safety of the general public is the same as genocide.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Wait, wasn't Kerras the Templar who was trapped by a blood mage who was trying to force a demon to enter him?

All templars are evil rapists and they can never be victims themselves. You know this

I once saw Meredith kick a puppy, twice!

[ScarMK]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Keran was a dick too, though; he was part of the conspiracy group that kidnapped Varric. I murder-knifed him with great prejudice.

Oh, I'm not excusing him.  I'm just saying he's thinking of the wrong guy.  Unless Karras got kidnapped too and I just forgot about it.

[Lord Raijin]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

And not letting Elves, Humans and Qunari reproduce to avoid mages offspring isn't being a racist? Since when is being a mage considered to be bad anyways?  I rather have someone like Anders reproduce and teach his children to care for the poor and the needy rather than someone like Ser Alrik and Ser Karras who would do far more damage to the world if they were to produce offsprings.

Wait, wasn't Kerras the Templar who was trapped by a blood mage who was trying to force a demon to enter him?

Now how exactly is he a bad person?

Karras was abusing his authority to rape mages in his custody.

[MisterJB]

Plaintiff wrote...
Posting laughing gifs without an accompanyng explanation of why you find my statement so funny tells me nothing, except that you don't have anything remotely intelligent to say.

You disagree with the fact that an act of aggression mustbe performed in order for an open conflict to begin?

I've seen lots of people trying to tell you many intelligent things over the years and your usual response is "Y'all are bigots."

EntropicAngel understood what I was trying to say. If said esteemed user has the mental fortitude to argue the complexities of conflict with you, I'll be much grateful. As for myself, I think I'll save myself the pain and will just continue to read your posts and laugh.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[Jaison1986]

Lord Raijin wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

And not letting Elves, Humans and Qunari reproduce to avoid mages offspring isn't being a racist? Since when is being a mage considered to be bad anyways?  I rather have someone like Anders reproduce and teach his children to care for the poor and the needy rather than someone like Ser Alrik and Ser Karras who would do far more damage to the world if they were to produce offsprings.

Wait, wasn't Kerras the Templar who was trapped by a blood mage who was trying to force a demon to enter him?

Now how exactly is he a bad person?

Karras was abusing his authority to rape mages in his custody.

Wow, I never got this dialogue, good thing I killed him in Act of Mercy.

[Hellion Rex]

EntropicAngel wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

You're thinking of Keran.  Karras was the muttonchop twirling evil guy.

Hmm, I don't remember Karras at all.

He was the one who was trying to get Grace and Decimus. He was the aggressor against Thrask.

[Lord Raijin]

How can the Templar's watches over the mages when they themselves should be watched over to avoid certain corruption?