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[ElSuperGecko]

So, as we know from ME1, the Reapers retreat into dark space following the end of each cycle.

We know that there is a mass effect relay in dark space, connecting to the Citadel relay.  At the least, you'd probably also expect the Reapers to have some kind of facility to contain/maintain them as they hibernate between cycles.

But what else is out there?  What else could they have left out there?  And, more importantly, being outside the Galactic rim and disconnected from the main relay network.. would it (and any technology it contains) have been affected by Shepard's final decision?

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 02 décembre 2013 - 01:48 .

[Eryri]

Or indeed, any Reapers? They could conceivably have some reserves there to guard the fort while the others got to work on the harvest.

[JasonShepard]

At the very least you can expect a counterpart to the Citadel and probably a handful of Reapers to stand guard and provide maintenance.

Reaper power sources are... enigmatic at best, but given that this would be a long-term installation, you'd need something to provide power. At best guess, I'd say that means that any Citadel-counterpart relay would be nearby a star, to keep it gravitationally anchored and to provide solar power. (You do get stars in dark space, just not very many.)

Oh, and the Citadel-counterpart would probably be given a name starting with C. Because everything else in Mass Effect gets a name starting with C. (Citadel, Cerberus, Conduit, Crucible, Collectors...)

[Argentoid]

A Reaper who got lost on the way

[ElSuperGecko]

Yep, no reason to believe EVERY Reaper was involved in the assault (or affected by the various endings) - and even one Reaper is a threat. What else? Gene banks and cloning facilities (those Collectors had to come from somewhere) for the harvested races? Some kind of megalithic Reaper super structure (a dark space "twin" to the Citadel)?

Ladies and gentlemen, we appear to have ourselves a sequel!

[Vortex13]

I hope that that plot point is explored in the future games; well that and more Black Hole stuff (my two favorite outer space subjects); I was always wondering why nobody ever thought to try and look into the Citadel Relay, especially when the Reapers attacked en mass.

"Its obvious that the Reapers are real and that Commander Shepard was right, why don't we look into that link to Dark Space that the Commander mentioned? It might help us find the answers we need in order to defeat the Reapers, rather than waiting around for a convenient plan for a super weapon to magically appear on a know data archive."

P.S. I hope that some of the Reapers survived out in Dark Space, I enjoyed them (minus the Catalyst) as villains/parts of the setting, it would be a shame (IMO) to completely remove all traces of them from existence because of their association with the ending.

[ElSuperGecko]

JasonShepard wrote...
Oh, and the Citadel-counterpart would probably be given a name starting with C. Because everything else in Mass Effect gets a name starting with C. (Citadel, Cerberus, Conduit, Crucible, Collectors...)

The Cathedral?  The Chrysalis?

...Candlekeep?

Vortex13 wrote...
P.S. I hope that some of the Reapers survived out in Dark Space, I enjoyed them (minus the Catalyst) as villains/parts of the setting, it would be a shame (IMO) to completely remove all traces of them from existence because of their association with the ending.

Yep.  Plus, if their numbers are reduced maybe have their motives and methods would become a bit less direct and aggressive and more shadowy and behind-the-scenes (i.e, their role would become more ME1/ME2 and less ME3).

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:01 .

[JasonShepard]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen, we appear to have ourselves a sequel!

Well... I did use this idea in Invictus, which is set after ME3, so... Been there, done that, got the T-shirt? 

For future games, however, I'd quite like to see Mass Effect move away from the topic of Reapers, so maybe investigating this "Dark Citadel" could be a side mission: "Hello, Commander New-Protagonist, Sir! We recently managed to reactivate the Citadel relay, and are preparing to send a small team through. Interested?"


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ElSuperGecko wrote...

JasonShepard wrote...
Oh, and the Citadel-counterpart would probably be given a name starting with C. Because everything else in Mass Effect gets a name starting with C. (Citadel, Cerberus, Conduit, Crucible, Collectors...)

The Cathedral?  The Chrysalis?

...Candlekeep?

For writing Invictus, I went with The Culture, but that's more running with the idea of (as you also suggested) gene banks and records of previous civilisations. I wanted something that sounded a bit more deadly, but couldn't figure it out.

Modifié par JasonShepard, 02 décembre 2013 - 03:02 .

[Daniel_N7]

The million dollar question...

The concept of a "Dark Citadel", or the Dark Space Relay, was speculated upon during ME2 right here on the BSN forums. I always thought the great finale of ME3 would take us there, but, helás, it didn't happen. Still, it would be great to visit the place in a future ME game, even it it's just a relic now.

I don't think you would find Reapers there. The Reapers have a purpose and there would be no point for them to stay behind. There should, however, be all kinds of Reaper tech. Maybe even a device that would give the power of indoctrination?... When I fantasize about a future ME game, I always imagine a villain going there and becoming a dangerous indoctrinator...

[KaiserShep]

Or perhaps the original reaper "factory". When the Intelligence created the first reaper, it had to be manufactured somehow, and the Collectors are a relatively new contingency that the reapers conjured up, since they're based on the remnants of the species from the previous cycle, and the Citadel likely came much later, once it had enough reapers to assemble the entire mass relay network.

[Fragzilla]

Argentoid wrote...

A Reaper who got lost on the way

like a baby elephant who gets separated from the herd and wanders the desert by himself. 

[Obadiah]

Bunch of hot gas outside our galaxy
http://www.nasa.gov/...s/H-12-331.html

[Rasofe]

Mostly empty space. Just like galactic space.

[Vortex13]

Obadiah wrote...

Bunch of hot gas outside our galaxy
http://www.nasa.gov/...s/H-12-331.html

So if I'm reading this right, then inter-galatic travel would be impossible (skipping over the distances involved) unless the ship in question could withstand the tempereture of several hundreds or thousands of our suns, as it would have to pass through the hot gas cloud surrounding the galaxy.

[JasonShepard]

Vortex13 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Bunch of hot gas outside our galaxy
http://www.nasa.gov/...s/H-12-331.html

So if I'm reading this right, then inter-galatic travel would be impossible (skipping over the distances involved) unless the ship in question could withstand the tempereture of several hundreds or thousands of our suns, as it would have to pass through the hot gas cloud surrounding the galaxy.

Not necessarily. The density is likely to be very low. (If you take all the mass in the galaxy and divide it by the volume of the galaxy, you get a very low number. Do that for the roughly the same amount of mass in a halo surrounding the galaxy, and you'll get an even lower number.) So you'll essentially be running into a few fast moving particles. Decent radiation shielding should be able to handle it Temperature is a funny thing, especially in Astrophysics.

Of course, inter-galactic travel has a whole host of other difficulties. Let's just try and get inter-stellar travel going first. (Which would also need bucket loads of radiation shielding.)

[General TSAR]

Reapers the size of galaxies.

[ElSuperGecko]

Vortex13 wrote...
So if I'm reading this right, then inter-galatic travel would be impossible (skipping over the distances involved) unless the ship in question could withstand the tempereture of several hundreds or thousands of our suns, as it would have to pass through the hot gas cloud surrounding the galaxy.

Direct point to point travel is all but impossible, interstellar or intergalactic, even if superluminal speeds could be achieved.  Space is not a simple void - there are plenty of rogue elements floating about out there - pebbles, rocks, asteroids, planetoids... any one of which could cause catastrophic damage if hit at the speeds necessary for interstellar travel.

It's not just about reaching those speeds, it's about surviving those speeds, avoiding drift and hoping (praying) there's nothing in the way during the journey.

Instantaneous travel via folding space/wormholes, now that could be interesting...

[Rotward]

There's gonna be a reaper retirement home. 2 kilometer tall rocking chairs, calling it now.

[Vortex13]

JasonShepard wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Bunch of hot gas outside our galaxy
http://www.nasa.gov/...s/H-12-331.html

So if I'm reading this right, then inter-galatic travel would be impossible (skipping over the distances involved) unless the ship in question could withstand the tempereture of several hundreds or thousands of our suns, as it would have to pass through the hot gas cloud surrounding the galaxy.

Not necessarily. The density is likely to be very low. (If you take all the mass in the galaxy and divide it by the volume of the galaxy, you get a very low number. Do that for the roughly the same amount of mass in a halo surrounding the galaxy, and you'll get an even lower number.) So you'll essentially be running into a few fast moving particles. Decent radiation shielding should be able to handle it Temperature is a funny thing, especially in Astrophysics.

Of course, inter-galactic travel has a whole host of other difficulties. Let's just try and get inter-stellar travel going first. (Which would also need bucket loads of radiation shielding.)

Ah, thank you for clarifying. I had this image in my head of a solid bubble of super hot gas surrounding the galaxy 

[essarr71]

Reavers, obviously.

[in it for the lolz]

Cake, and lots of it.

[StarcloudSWG]

Nothing is out there.

That's why the Reapers retreated to it. There's nothing out there and no reason for anyone to explore out there, which means no one would stumble across them accidentally.

If there is a 'reaper station' out where they used to hang around, then it's the other end of the Citadel relay. And the Crucible beam hit the entire relay network, which implies it hit the other end of the Citadel relay out in Dark Space. In Destroy, that means no Reapers are left active, they're ALL dead even if some were left behind.

[Vortex13]

It would be really interesting (IMO) if there were Reapers out there and they survived the ending choices.

What would they do? How would they act?

My personal take on it would be a situation where the remaining Reapers treat the now nonresistant Catalyst and its Mandate as a twisted form of Religion. Their 'god' has gone silent, and the last order (before the endings) was to carry out the cycles, to complete the harvest.

I think it would be interesting if a charismatic Reaper viewed the cycles as a religious decree, one that must be carried out. After all, the Reapers were built with only one purpose: to continue the cycles, so a zealous Reaper might view the continuation of its 'god's' work as a divine decree.

You could also have political divides and conflicts between the Reapers, as they are now free of the Catalyst's control (regardless of ending), and are each a nation.

I would be interested to see such a scenario.

[BeastSaver]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Nothing is out there.

That's why the Reapers retreated to it. There's nothing out there and no reason for anyone to explore out there, which means no one would stumble across them accidentally.

If there is a 'reaper station' out where they used to hang around, then it's the other end of the Citadel relay. And the Crucible beam hit the entire relay network, which implies it hit the other end of the Citadel relay out in Dark Space. In Destroy, that means no Reapers are left active, they're ALL dead even if some were left behind.

QFT

There wouldn't even be advanced tech out there because the Reapers think they are the pinnacle of evolution. No reason to strive for anything than what they're already doing.

Modifié par BeastSaver, 02 décembre 2013 - 06:12 .