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[Vortex13]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Nothing is out there.

That's why the Reapers retreated to it. There's nothing out there and no reason for anyone to explore out there, which means no one would stumble across them accidentally.

If there is a 'reaper station' out where they used to hang around, then it's the other end of the Citadel relay. And the Crucible beam hit the entire relay network, which implies it hit the other end of the Citadel relay out in Dark Space. In Destroy, that means no Reapers are left active, they're ALL dead even if some were left behind.

We don't know as to whether the Citadel Relay is a part of the overall Rely network or not though.

Its true that the Crucible explosion could have traveled there and ended any remaining Reapers, but the fact that the Reapers needed to send a specific signal to open the Relay to the Keepers, and that Sovereign had to physically connect the the Citadel makes me think that the link to Dark Space is different then a normal Relay.

The endings don't actually show a transfer of power/engery moving outside the galaxy (granted it could be a simple off screen action) so it is possible that any installation; and possible Reaper guardians; could have escaped the Crucible detonation.  

[BeastSaver]

The Reapers are arrogant. They can't conceive of organics' ability to resist the harvest. I doubt any would be left behind as a guard. The only question about whether or not it is affected by the Crucible blast would be the same I would have about any inactive mass relay.

[Argentoid]

 An AI who controls the Catalyst

Modifié par Argentoid, 02 décembre 2013 - 07:01 .

[KaiserShep]

Argentoid wrote...

 An AI who controls the Catalyst

We need to go deeper.

[dreamgazer]

What's Waiting For Us In Dark Space?

Alanis Morissette.

[AresKeith]

The Transformers who was fighting the Reapers

[Eryri]

BeastSaver wrote...

The Reapers are arrogant. They can't conceive of organics' ability to resist the harvest. I doubt any would be left behind as a guard. The only question about whether or not it is affected by the Crucible blast would be the same I would have about any inactive mass relay.

It depends on how many Reapers there actually are. If they number in the hundreds of thousands or even millions, then there's no point in them all going to war, when a few thousand can comfortably curbstomp the galaxy. It would just be a waste of energy.

Additionally the Reapers may be arrogant, but not so arrogant that they didn't leave Sovereign and the Collectors behind "just in case" something did go wrong with the master relay. They always have a back up plan.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Daleks.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Has anyone said darkness, yet?

Imma say darkness.

[Kel Riever]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Has anyone said darkness, yet?

Imma say darkness.

It is like hiding in plain sight!  That plot twist is so twisted you literally looped all the way back around to no plot twist at all.

I like this idea.  It is really 21st Century.  Its like, using the double negative of irony, you stacked irony on top of irony to make no irony. 

This is going to be the new genre.  After hearing this, I am convinced every aspiring writer of high school science fiction will now start writing about finding the darkness inside of darkspace instead of zombie apocalypses.

[Farangbaa]

Fragzilla360 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

A Reaper who got lost on the way

like a baby elephant who gets separated from the herd and wanders the desert by himself. 

This made me laugh so hard

[JonathonPR]

The actual Reapers. What we saw in game were just remote control ships. Why risk the real mind? The Leviathans and Catalyst are just artificial beings part of an unknown goal.

[Redbelle]

@OP

The Reaper planet which is made up of Reapers pressed together in a writhing, seething ball of Reaper bits. Flying through the void towards Andromeda. Where they get to repeat the experiment.

<shrugs> Well you can't keep all your Reapers in one galaxy. If someone builds a crucible you could lose them all.

Modifié par Redbelle, 02 décembre 2013 - 08:36 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Vortex13 wrote...

We don't know as to whether the Citadel Relay is a part of the overall Rely network or not though.

The endings don't actually show a transfer of power/engery moving outside the galaxy (granted it could be a simple off screen action) so it is possible that any installation; and possible Reaper guardians; could have escaped the Crucible detonation.  

You might have noticed that the Citadel controls ALL the relays, everywhere. It is the heart of the relay network. And if you watch the cinematic, you'll see that the Crucible beam animation stops before it's gotten even half the galaxy and the ending moves on to the next scene.

So that the ending didn't show a point outside the galaxy going boom is irrelevant; if we take what we're shown as "only this much" then half the galaxy is still full of Reapers and the harvest will continue.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 03 décembre 2013 - 02:34 .

[Vortex13]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

We don't know as to whether the Citadel Relay is a part of the overall Rely network or not though.

The endings don't actually show a transfer of power/engery moving outside the galaxy (granted it could be a simple off screen action) so it is possible that any installation; and possible Reaper guardians; could have escaped the Crucible detonation.  

You might have noticed that the Citadel controls ALL the relays, everywhere. It is the heart of the relay network. And if you watch the cinematic, you'll see that it cuts off before it's gotten even half the galaxy.

So that it didn't show a point outside the galaxy is irrelevant; if we take what we're shown as "only this much" then half the galaxy is still full of Reapers and the harvest will continue.

Is the Citadel Relay a standard part of the Relay network though? It seems to me that it is something unique in terms of the regular mass relays in that it requires the keepers to activate, almost like a manual switch versus a remote control. 

Sovreign was was attempting to access the Citadel to override the Prothean altered signal that was preventing the keepers from opening the relay, not to open the relay himself. It's possible that the link to Dark Space is only accessible via the keepers; that only by physically completing the connection that it could be opened. This would prevent any accidental activation by organics medling with the Citadell's systems; why would the Prothean scientists not permently disable the relay itself, why only alter the signal?

Its possible that the relay itself is seperated from the general network. 

I'm not saying that everything about the ending should be taken at face value, that only what is seen is what happens. The entire discussion with the Catalyst makes it obvious that the Crucible's energy would pass through the relay network and affect the whole galaxy. What I am saying though is that it has never been stated that the Citadel connection to Dark Space is actually part of the network. 

If it was, why then did the Reapers not send the Citadel through the relay into Dark Space, free from anyone ever being able to reach it in time to deploy the Crucible? You could say, bad writing, (and that could be true) but I believe that it was because the Reapers didn't have time to fix the signal to make the Keepers activate the relay. And if the relay was still deactivated, with no means of remote activation via the Crucible signal, then no ending explosion would have been sent  out into dark space.

[ElSuperGecko]

StarcloudSWG wrote...
You might have noticed that the Citadel controls ALL the relays, everywhere. It is the heart of the relay network. And if you watch the cinematic, you'll see that the Crucible beam animation stops before it's gotten even half the galaxy and the ending moves on to the next scene.

It's that exact bolded assumption that made the Citadel such an effective Reaper trap for so long, and led to the extinction of thousands of sentient species as a result.  The various races take over the Citadel, assume it links to every (active) relay, and the Reapers eventually prove the old adage about assumption true.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Darkness?

[ElSuperGecko]

DinoSteve wrote...
Darkness?

Thank you for that well thought out, insightful and extremely original comment.  You truly are a cutting edge gold standard BSN level thinker.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:24 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Am I wrong?

[Eryri]

Vortex13 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

We don't know as to whether the Citadel Relay is a part of the overall Rely network or not though.

The endings don't actually show a transfer of power/engery moving outside the galaxy (granted it could be a simple off screen action) so it is possible that any installation; and possible Reaper guardians; could have escaped the Crucible detonation.  

You might have noticed that the Citadel controls ALL the relays, everywhere. It is the heart of the relay network. And if you watch the cinematic, you'll see that it cuts off before it's gotten even half the galaxy.

So that it didn't show a point outside the galaxy is irrelevant; if we take what we're shown as "only this much" then half the galaxy is still full of Reapers and the harvest will continue.

Is the Citadel Relay a standard part of the Relay network though? It seems to me that it is something unique in terms of the regular mass relays in that it requires the keepers to activate, almost like a manual switch versus a remote control. 

Sovreign was was attempting to access the Citadel to override the Prothean altered signal that was preventing the keepers from opening the relay, not to open the relay himself. It's possible that the link to Dark Space is only accessible via the keepers; that only by physically completing the connection that it could be opened. This would prevent any accidental activation by organics medling with the Citadell's systems; why would the Prothean scientists not permently disable the relay itself, why only alter the signal?

Its possible that the relay itself is seperated from the general network. 

I'm not saying that everything about the ending should be taken at face value, that only what is seen is what happens. The entire discussion with the Catalyst makes it obvious that the Crucible's energy would pass through the relay network and affect the whole galaxy. What I am saying though is that it has never been stated that the Citadel connection to Dark Space is actually part of the network. 

If it was, why then did the Reapers not send the Citadel through the relay into Dark Space, free from anyone ever being able to reach it in time to deploy the Crucible? You could say, bad writing, (and that could be true) but I believe that it was because the Reapers didn't have time to fix the signal to make the Keepers activate the relay. And if the relay was still deactivated, with no means of remote activation via the Crucible signal, then no ending explosion would have been sent  out into dark space.

Also, the cinematic shows only one beam going from the Citadel to the Charon relay, which then passed it on to the next closest relay in the galaxy. It didn't show another beam shooting off outside the disk to wherever the Reaper's base in dark space is.
The only other known relay capable of connecting to dark space was the Alpha relay in Arrival, which was destroyed. Therefore if the Citadel wasn't capable of connecting to darkspace, then it's likely none of the others could either, and the darkspace relay didn't receive whatever flavour of space magic that afflicted the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Eryri, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:58 .

[Daniel_N7]

Eryri wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

We don't know as to whether the Citadel Relay is a part of the overall Rely network or not though.

The endings don't actually show a transfer of power/engery moving outside the galaxy (granted it could be a simple off screen action) so it is possible that any installation; and possible Reaper guardians; could have escaped the Crucible detonation.  

You might have noticed that the Citadel controls ALL the relays, everywhere. It is the heart of the relay network. And if you watch the cinematic, you'll see that it cuts off before it's gotten even half the galaxy.

So that it didn't show a point outside the galaxy is irrelevant; if we take what we're shown as "only this much" then half the galaxy is still full of Reapers and the harvest will continue.

Is the Citadel Relay a standard part of the Relay network though? It seems to me that it is something unique in terms of the regular mass relays in that it requires the keepers to activate, almost like a manual switch versus a remote control. 

Sovreign was was attempting to access the Citadel to override the Prothean altered signal that was preventing the keepers from opening the relay, not to open the relay himself. It's possible that the link to Dark Space is only accessible via the keepers; that only by physically completing the connection that it could be opened. This would prevent any accidental activation by organics medling with the Citadell's systems; why would the Prothean scientists not permently disable the relay itself, why only alter the signal?

Its possible that the relay itself is seperated from the general network. 

I'm not saying that everything about the ending should be taken at face value, that only what is seen is what happens. The entire discussion with the Catalyst makes it obvious that the Crucible's energy would pass through the relay network and affect the whole galaxy. What I am saying though is that it has never been stated that the Citadel connection to Dark Space is actually part of the network. 

If it was, why then did the Reapers not send the Citadel through the relay into Dark Space, free from anyone ever being able to reach it in time to deploy the Crucible? You could say, bad writing, (and that could be true) but I believe that it was because the Reapers didn't have time to fix the signal to make the Keepers activate the relay. And if the relay was still deactivated, with no means of remote activation via the Crucible signal, then no ending explosion would have been sent  out into dark space.

Also, the cinematic shows only one beam going from the Citadel to the Charon relay, which then passed it on to the next closest relay in the galaxy. It didn't show another beam shooting off outside the disk to wherever the Reaper's base in dark space is.
The only other known relay capable of connecting to dark space was the Alpha relay in Arrival, which was destroyed. Therefore if the Citadel wasn't capable of connecting to darkspace, then it's likely none of the others could either, and the darkspace relay didn't receive whatever flavour of space magic that afflicted the rest of the galaxy.

The Citadel (the Keepers?; the Catalyst?) doesn't control all the relays. At least, not by itself. If it did, it would have opened the Dark Space Relay and the Reapers would have attacked through the Citadel, as they always did in previous cycles.

The Dark Space Relay needs to be connected locally, on the Citadel. That's what Sovereign was attempting to do with Saren. But it failed. Which forced the Reapers to travel "conventionally" through space. Therefore, it is safe to assume that the link from the Citadel to the Dark Space Relay was never reestablished, and therefore the DS relay wasn't hit by the Crucible blast.

We can, therefore, assume two more things.

First, there is a structure in dark space, that operates as a relay.

Second, whatever is out there, it is still fully operational...

[ElSuperGecko]

Daniel_N7 wrote...
The Dark Space Relay needs to be connected locally, on the Citadel. That's what Sovereign was attempting to do with Saren. But it failed. Which forced the Reapers to travel "conventionally" through space. Therefore, it is safe to assume that the link from the Citadel to the Dark Space Relay was never reestablished, and therefore the DS relay wasn't hit by the Crucible blast.

We can, therefore, assume two more things.

First, there is a structure in dark space, that operates as a relay.

Second, whatever is out there, it is still fully operational...

[Vortex13]

Daniel_N7 wrote...

The Citadel (the Keepers?; the Catalyst?) doesn't control all the relays. At least, not by itself. If it did, it would have opened the Dark Space Relay and the Reapers would have attacked through the Citadel, as they always did in previous cycles.

The Dark Space Relay needs to be connected locally, on the Citadel. That's what Sovereign was attempting to do with Saren. But it failed. Which forced the Reapers to travel "conventionally" through space. Therefore, it is safe to assume that the link from the Citadel to the Dark Space Relay was never reestablished, and therefore the DS relay wasn't hit by the Crucible blast.

We can, therefore, assume two more things.

First, there is a structure in dark space, that operates as a relay.

Second, whatever is out there, it is still fully operational...

Exactly.

There is still an unknown quantity of un-effected Reaper tech out there; and possibly several Reapers as well.

I am curious to see what kind of setup they (Reapers) had out there, and I am also glad that the Reapers are still (techically) part of the settting, should the next game be a continuation of the Mass Effect story.

[Eryri]

Vortex13 wrote...

There is still an unknown quantity of un-effected Reaper tech out there; and possibly several Reapers as well.

I am curious to see what kind of setup they (Reapers) had out there, and I am also glad that the Reapers are still (techically) part of the settting, should the next game be a continuation of the Mass Effect story.

Me too. Mass Effect without the Reapers would be like Doctor Who without Daleks; just not the same. 

Assuming there are some still out there in Dark space, (and assuming that the ridiculous Crucible actually did work its damn-stupid magic), then I would be very interested to see what this reaper remnant might do in a post destroy setting. Once freed from the Catalyst's control, they might develop individual personalities. Some might be benign, but others, freed from the directive to "preserve" organic life, might become even more dangerous and vicious.

If some of them see no value in organic life at all, then they would no longer have to waste time harvesting. They could glass every planet they come across from orbit, no matter how primitive, just because they can.
The sequels could be quite interesting if Bioware go down this line.