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I don't play Video games for Fun

Débuté par Lazengan , déc. 02 2013 06:13

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:23

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EntropicAngel wrote...

I can get behind not playing games simply because they're fun. However, the OP says that he doesn't play games for fun, then states that he plays for fun gameplay.


If you're not having fun playing video games as a hobby and you're not making money out of them as a career, you're doing it wrong. Put your energy into something else.

It's kind of like playing sports. Accomplishing challenging tasks to me is fun in a way because it is rewarding. That's why I enjoyed Counter Strike immensively in my CPL years with my CS clanmates and also had a blast knocking seconds off my lap time in Gran Turismo 5. So personally, I can't relate to OP in any way.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:27

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Ironically, for most of the time CnC was known for its iconic storylines and actually had more players buy and play those games for its singleplayer (which to be fair could be challenging on higher difficulty levels, but was far from its competitive MP scene!), with MP players only really getting a major surge in numbers with the Generals game of the franchise (which again ironically, wasn't considered a true CnC by many hardcore due to its complete lack of a cohesive singleplayer story).


Odd, because the only CnC game I've ever played and am ever interested in playing is that one, and I only did MP when my friends requested it. I enjoyed the campaign greatly. The realism helps a ton.


You've missed something then.

Both the Tiberium Universe (with the last game being an exception because it has a terribad story and is overall considered a terrible game that has little to do with CnC past sharing the name and main character) and the Red Alert universe are universally reknowed for their quality storylines, with the Tiberium side being more gritty due to its setting and the Red Alert one being more wacky and "alternative". If you compared the Generals SP campaign to the other universes and their respective singleplayers, you'd know it's just a token campaign, a shadow of what the other two universes offered when it came to single player.



If you want to try, the earlier games of the franchise, CnC95 (dubbed Tiberian Dawn), its successor Tiberian Sun and the first Red Alert are available as free downloads, complete with their expansion packs. Obviously their tech is obsolete and might turn a gamer down who's accostomed to prettier looking games of today (though there are numerous community patchs/projects to help with a better experience, mostly focusing on increasing game resolution so you don't have a pixel show on a modern monitor!), though you can also buy the Ultimate Collection for rather cheap and get the newer, vastly better looking games like CnC3 Tiberium Wars and Red Alert 3 along with their expansion packs.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:39

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I'd like a cookie as well, please! \\(^_^)/

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:42

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

I'd like a cookie as well, please! (^_^)/


Yeah me too with milk :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:45

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bmwcrazy wrote...

If you're not having fun playing video games as a hobby and you're not making money out of them as a career, you're doing it wrong. Put your energy into something else.

It's kind of like playing sports. Accomplishing challenging tasks to me is fun in a way because it is rewarding. That's why I enjoyed Counter Strike immensively in my CPL years with my CS clanmates and also had a blast knocking seconds off my lap time in Gran Turismo 5. So personally, I can't relate to OP in any way.


You're misinterpreting my comment--there's a difference between having fun and playing them only because "it's fun."

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You've missed something then.

Both
the Tiberium Universe (with the last game being an exception because it
has a terribad story and is overall considered a terrible game that has
little to do with CnC past sharing the name and main character) and the
Red Alert universe are universally reknowed for their quality
storylines, with the Tiberium side being more gritty due to its setting
and the Red Alert one being more wacky and "alternative". If you
compared the Generals SP campaign to the other universes and their
respective singleplayers, you'd know it's just a token campaign, a
shadow of what the other two universes offered when it came to single
player.



If you want to try, the earlier games of the
franchise, CnC95 (dubbed Tiberian Dawn), its successor Tiberian Sun and
the first Red Alert are available as free downloads, complete with their
expansion packs. Obviously their tech is obsolete and might turn a
gamer down who's accostomed to prettier looking games of today (though
there are numerous community patchs/projects to help with a better
experience, mostly focusing on increasing game resolution so you don't
have a pixel show on a modern monitor!), though you can also buy the
Ultimate Collection for rather cheap and get the newer, vastly better
looking games like CnC3 Tiberium Wars and Red Alert 3 along with their
expansion packs.


Are any of them not bizarre sci-fi?

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:50

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Well, ... if you define Red Alert's alternative timeline and wacky tech as sci-fi'y ... then no. The Tiberium universe is futuristic, apocalyptic and the Red Alert universe is alternative, wacky-tech.


You can always just opt to watch the story sequences on youtube though, they will offer a decent (though obviously not complete) picture of what those games are about (and the reason people played the SP was mostly for those sequences as CnC was one of the few franchises in the day that build on live-action storytelling with real actors, with the odd CGI sequence reserved for short ingame sequences before or after missions.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:55

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EntropicAngel wrote...

You're misinterpreting my comment--there's a difference between having fun and playing them only because "it's fun."


There's no difference.

You're having fun regardless.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 07:58

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bmwcrazy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

You're misinterpreting my comment--there's a difference between having fun and playing them only because "it's fun."


There's no difference.

You're having fun regardless.


That is true, the end result still consists of "fun" regardless if you pursue it for that reason or it just happens naturally.  

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:01

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spirosz wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

You're misinterpreting my comment--there's a difference between having fun and playing them only because "it's fun."


There's no difference.

You're having fun regardless.


That is true, the end result still consists of "fun" regardless if you pursue it for that reason or it just happens naturally.  


Correct.

In truth, the human psyche is utterly incable of enjoying something that isn't fun. Even hardcore masochists don't do the stuff because it's painful, but because the pain stimulates them into an euphoric state, it's fun to them.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:09

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Games are such srs bizness.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:14

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Well, ... if you define Red Alert's alternative timeline and wacky tech as sci-fi'y ... then no. The Tiberium universe is futuristic, apocalyptic and the Red Alert universe is alternative, wacky-tech.


You can always just opt to watch the story sequences on youtube though, they will offer a decent (though obviously not complete) picture of what those games are about (and the reason people played the SP was mostly for those sequences as CnC was one of the few franchises in the day that build on live-action storytelling with real actors, with the odd CGI sequence reserved for short ingame sequences before or after missions.


Alright.

bmwcrazy wrote...

There's no difference.

You're having fun regardless.


There IS a difference. You're getting more than just fun out of it in the one circumstance. It's both fun and, in some cases, informative. Emotionally moving, changing. Etc.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:19

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EntropicAngel wrote...

There IS a difference. You're getting more than just fun out of it in the one circumstance. It's both fun and, in some cases, informative. Emotionally moving, changing. Etc.


Still, in the end, you ARE playing for fun.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:21

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Nerd.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:32

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bmwcrazy wrote...

Still, in the end, you ARE playing for fun.


No.

There are games that would be fun, but, because their ONLY draw is fun, I am not interested in. GTA V, for instance. Looks like a version of Watch Dogs without any valuable story. Looks fantastic to play. But from what I've read in reviews, the satire can barely be called that, and the main characters are mean for meanness' sake. No value to it other than "it's fun." Not interested.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:39

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I only play games so I can argue semantics on game forums and look like a wicked smart awesome A+ super cool guy.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:47

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EntropicAngel wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

Still, in the end, you ARE playing for fun.


No.

There are games that would be fun, but, because their ONLY draw is fun, I am not interested in. GTA V, for instance. Looks like a version of Watch Dogs without any valuable story. Looks fantastic to play. But from what I've read in reviews, the satire can barely be called that, and the main characters are mean for meanness' sake. No value to it other than "it's fun." Not interested.



And thus you don't play it, because you don't think it's fun.

However you might play another game, say a horror survival game that is definately not supposed to be funny in its own right, because you enjoy playing such games, aka having fun.

Or you play a hardcore bullethell game like Touhou, because you get a thrill of competing with the game's challenge and feel satisfied when you got good enough to beat another level, aka having fun.


That's what he means.


Because really, at the end of the day, no one will voluntarily touch something that he doesn't enjoy to some extent if s/he has a choice. And since I've yet to hear about games being mandatory for anyone, they are a luxury item, that you pay money for to enjoy.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:47

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EntropicAngel wrote...

No.

There are games that would be fun, but, because their ONLY draw is fun, I am not interested in. GTA V, for instance. Looks like a version of Watch Dogs without any valuable story. Looks fantastic to play. But from what I've read in reviews, the satire can barely be called that, and the main characters are mean for meanness' sake. No value to it other than "it's fun." Not interested.


Of course there are games that you don't find them fun to play. I don't understand what your point is other than you thinking a game isn't fun without even playing it.  :mellow:

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bmwcrazy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

No.

There are games that would be fun, but, because their ONLY draw is fun, I am not interested in. GTA V, for instance. Looks like a version of Watch Dogs without any valuable story. Looks fantastic to play. But from what I've read in reviews, the satire can barely be called that, and the main characters are mean for meanness' sake. No value to it other than "it's fun." Not interested.


Of course there are games that you don't find them fun to play. I don't understand what your point is other than you thinking a game isn't fun without even playing it.  :mellow:

He's trying hard to disprove the notion that in the end, games are played to have fun, even if it's possible to gain additional benefits from the activity. Or not find a particular game considered fun to be fun.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:55

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There is a difference in what you're all going on about, but only in the method. Not in the end result.

In one case, somebody might play a game for skill and competition. They find these specific things to be fun.

In another case, somebody is playing it for the sake of playing it. There's no specific thing they're seeking out, they just find it fun.

It is worth noting that while the end result is the same(both people ended up having fun), these are in fact two different things. The end result is not the only thing that matters =P

Modifié par Cyonan, 02 décembre 2013 - 08:56 .

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 08:56

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Well I do play games for fun, but I'm also partial to making pyramids out of sand too.

So if were being logical, (and boy, do we seem to be) then my logic's only half degenerate! That's not so bad.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 09:00

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bmwcrazy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

No.

There are games that would be fun, but, because their ONLY draw is fun, I am not interested in. GTA V, for instance. Looks like a version of Watch Dogs without any valuable story. Looks fantastic to play. But from what I've read in reviews, the satire can barely be called that, and the main characters are mean for meanness' sake. No value to it other than "it's fun." Not interested.


Of course there are games that you don't find them fun to play. I don't understand what your point is other than you thinking a game isn't fun without even playing it.  :mellow:


You're deliberately ignoring what I said, crazy.

I said that I believe the game would be fun, and I do. I enjoy sandbox games. But fun alone isn't worth my money and time. I ought to be benefited by it. I ought to leave the experience in some way a wiser or more informed person. With more knowledge of myself and how I respond to a situation, like say Mass Effect. With a bit more understanding of history, in addition to the former, like Assassin's Creed IV.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 09:02

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Lazengan wrote...

I play video games to make intelligent choices and to experience a test of skill and competition. For the exact purposes of this definition, I don't consider story based games or QTE button mash simulators to be games. Examples of games include Counter Strike, Comman and Conquer, Dota, Tetris.

I don't play FOR fun. That's degenerate logic. I can go outside for fun, I can build a pyramid out of sand for fun. I can masturbate for fun

I play a game for good gameplay and from that, is where fun is derived.

Fun is not the intended product, it's a result of good gameplay.


Er, ooooooooo... kay.

And I should care because... ? :huh:

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 09:04

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Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

I play video games to make intelligent choices and to experience a test of skill and competition. For the exact purposes of this definition, I don't consider story based games or QTE button mash simulators to be games. Examples of games include Counter Strike, Comman and Conquer, Dota, Tetris.

I don't play FOR fun. That's degenerate logic. I can go outside for fun, I can build a pyramid out of sand for fun. I can masturbate for fun

I play a game for good gameplay and from that, is where fun is derived.

Fun is not the intended product, it's a result of good gameplay.


Er, ooooooooo... kay.

And I should care because... ? :huh:


BECAUSE IT'S ON AN INTERNET FORUM JEREMIAH

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 09:04

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EntropicAngel wrote...
 With a bit more understanding of history, in addition to the former, like Assassin's Creed IV.


Assassin's Creed is not the best source of accurate history.

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Posté 02 décembre 2013 - 09:09

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EntropicAngel wrote...

You're deliberately ignoring what I said, crazy.

I said that I believe the game would be fun, and I do. I enjoy sandbox games. But fun alone isn't worth my money and time. I ought to be benefited by it. I ought to leave the experience in some way a wiser or more informed person. With more knowledge of myself and how I respond to a situation, like say Mass Effect. With a bit more understanding of history, in addition to the former, like Assassin's Creed IV.


I think you are ignoring what I said. 

Even if you somehow benefit from educational aspects, you are still playing video games for fun. Not solely for fun, but for fun nevertheless.

Otherwise, it wouldn't make much sense to play a game that you don't enjoy.
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