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[Linkenski]

Parody probably isn't the right word for her role, but she was definitely intentionally cliche and I'm really surprised Mac is basing his latest comic series on her character when I assumed after finishing Citadel DLC that she was a throwaway joke-character, just like the rest of the plot in the Citadel DLC which I don't see as canon, but rather "The Mass Effect Trilogy characters stepping out of their ME3 role and doing a bonus episode with a completely different theme and is made for fun"

[King Dragonlord]

StreetMagic wrote...

King Dragonlord wrote...

 I know I'm very much in the minority on finding the pre-reveal version of Brooks annoying.

Probably not the minority in general. Gamer culture doesn't represent everyone. The world at large might not like "adorkable" characters, but a subculture would.

I do normally like adorkable characters. Tali snuck up on me in ME2 and derailed my romance with Miranda (and I can't not choose her on subsequent playthroughs). I just thought they overdid it with Brooks (but of course there's a good in-story reason).

[CronoDragoon]

I think you're on the right track, King, but I'll situate the discussion a bit differently. I think Brooks and the clone have an interesting relationship, especially considering what the theme of Citadel is, which is "what makes Shepard special?" The clone clearly wants what Shepard has, but doesn't know how to get it. Brooks clearly wants to control the power that what Shepard has brings, and thinks that she can get this by manipulating the clone. Ultimately she is mistaken.

The presumption here is that Shepard is indeed special and that everyone recognizes this, including the player. I think the key moment to Brooks' fake persona is when they are planning the mock Suicide Mission, and she praises the legendary Shepard and the rest of the "crew of the Normandy." In this instance I think what Brooks is doing is playing into the expectations and ego of not only Shepard and the crew but also the player, since this is presumably exactly how the player feels about his or her squad. I know that when she said this my e-chest puffed out quite a bit. "Yeah, that's right. We're legends. Respect."

Note that I don't think this is malicious or derogatory commentary on BW's part. How could it be when their very Paragon/Renegade system reinforces the player's belief that Shepard is "special" and a "legend"? Brooks' betrayal was, I feel, a clever subversal of expectations that both BW and player had regarding how the universe views Shepard. But in having Shepard triumph over Brooks it shows that, yeah, fake-Brooks was kinda right.

[General TSAR]

She was annoying as all hell.

[Nitrocuban]

I'm still mad that only evil Shepard got to **** with her.
And she won't be in ME4 cause she can die in Citadel DLC.

[TheMyron]

Its not fair because Kasumi never lifts her stupid hood.

[Animositisomina]

TheMyron wrote...

Its not fair because Kasumi never lifts her stupid hood.

With a little modding, you can see Kasumi without a hood on. Note: the shadows are "baked" into the model and can't be removed along with the hood.



And here's a few angles of the head model itself:

Modifié par Animositisomina, 03 décembre 2013 - 10:09 .

[King Dragonlord]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I think you're on the right track, King, but I'll situate the discussion a bit differently. I think Brooks and the clone have an interesting relationship, especially considering what the theme of Citadel is, which is "what makes Shepard special?" The clone clearly wants what Shepard has, but doesn't know how to get it. Brooks clearly wants to control the power that what Shepard has brings, and thinks that she can get this by manipulating the clone. Ultimately she is mistaken.

The presumption here is that Shepard is indeed special and that everyone recognizes this, including the player. I think the key moment to Brooks' fake persona is when they are planning the mock Suicide Mission, and she praises the legendary Shepard and the rest of the "crew of the Normandy." In this instance I think what Brooks is doing is playing into the expectations and ego of not only Shepard and the crew but also the player, since this is presumably exactly how the player feels about his or her squad. I know that when she said this my e-chest puffed out quite a bit. "Yeah, that's right. We're legends. Respect."

Note that I don't think this is malicious or derogatory commentary on BW's part. How could it be when their very Paragon/Renegade system reinforces the player's belief that Shepard is "special" and a "legend"? Brooks' betrayal was, I feel, a clever subversal of expectations that both BW and player had regarding how the universe views Shepard. But in having Shepard triumph over Brooks it shows that, yeah, fake-Brooks was kinda right.

Actually I was annoyed by that "You're all living legends" bit until later when I realized Brooks was doing it to manipulate the crew. 

As for Kasumi, even removing the hood doesn't give her a fair chance. They designed her head based on it being covered by a hood (and I'm not just talking about the hair). I'm sure they even deliberately distorted the face some to make it look right with the hood on. I assume she'd be cuter if they'd designed her face to be viewed hoodless.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Animositisomina wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Its not fair because Kasumi never lifts her stupid hood.

With a little modding, you can see Kasumi without a hood on. Note: the shadows are "baked" into the model and can't be removed along with the hood.

Ugh, I get the feeling she was never supposed to be viewed without the hood on.

[TheMyron]

She should've worn an actual dress into Donavan Hock's party, going hand-in-hand with Maleshep; hiding her suit with my armor. And then we can both get changed in the same tight area. Plus, Donavan's suspicion would not have been aroused.

[King Dragonlord]

TheMyron wrote...

She should've worn an actual dress into Donavan Hock's party, going hand-in-hand with Maleshep; hiding her suit with my armor. And then we can both get changed in the same tight area. Plus, Donavan's suspicion would not have been aroused.

Yeah, that was easily the dumbest part of that, and actually Kasumi's character as a whole. She's the only human I can think of who walks around with a hood on at all times. I don't know, maybe the benefits of nobody ever seeing her whole face outweigh the benefits of blending in.

Modifié par King Dragonlord, 03 décembre 2013 - 11:51 .

[KaiserShep]

King Dragonlord wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

She should've worn an actual dress into Donavan Hock's party, going hand-in-hand with Maleshep; hiding her suit with my armor. And then we can both get changed in the same tight area. Plus, Donavan's suspicion would not have been aroused.

Yeah, that was easily the dumbest part of that, and actually Kasumi's character as a whole. She's the only human I can think of who walks around with a hood on at all times. I don't know, maybe the benefits of nobody ever seeing her whole face outweigh the benefits of blending in.

I just completed stolen memory, and I was thinking the same thing. I always thought she should have been cloaked the entire time. No point in even having her presence known. Of course, this would require Hock catching on to their plan some other way, but any number of reasons could easily be conjured up to account for that.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Animositisomina wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Its not fair because Kasumi never lifts her stupid hood.

With a little modding, you can see Kasumi without a hood on. Note: the shadows are "baked" into the model and can't be removed along with the hood.

-snip-

And here's a few angles of the head model itself:

-snip-

Here's a fan-made model. Looks way better than the "official" one tbh

Modifié par FatherOfPearl, 04 décembre 2013 - 12:28 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Han Shot First wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I was too distracted by her hotness.

I know, right?

Probably the most attractive human female character in the series turns out to be a self-absorbed back-stabbing harpy. Epic troll.

b**** please. Jack is easily the most attractive. 

Plus her tattoos, and shaved head/undercut only enhances her hotness. 

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Its not fair because Kasumi never lifts her stupid hood.

With a little modding, you can see Kasumi without a hood on. Note: the shadows are "baked" into the model and can't be removed along with the hood.

-snip-

And here's a few angles of the head model itself:

-snip-

Here's a fan-made model. Looks way better than the "official" one tbh

I like how our only asian crew mate doesn't even look asian. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 04 décembre 2013 - 01:25 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

KaiserShep wrote...

King Dragonlord wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

She should've worn an actual dress into Donavan Hock's party, going hand-in-hand with Maleshep; hiding her suit with my armor. And then we can both get changed in the same tight area. Plus, Donavan's suspicion would not have been aroused.

Yeah, that was easily the dumbest part of that, and actually Kasumi's character as a whole. She's the only human I can think of who walks around with a hood on at all times. I don't know, maybe the benefits of nobody ever seeing her whole face outweigh the benefits of blending in.

I just completed stolen memory, and I was thinking the same thing. I always thought she should have been cloaked the entire time. No point in even having her presence known. Of course, this would require Hock catching on to their plan some other way, but any number of reasons could easily be conjured up to account for that.

Maybe she thought she was in the Star Wars universe. In there wearing a hood at all times isn't quite as suspicious.

[Han Shot First]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I like how our only asian crew mate doesn't even look asian. 

Yeah, that fan concept doesn't work for me either. Kasumi is supposed to be Japanese, but that fan concept looks like a white girl going through an Emo/Goth phase.

As far as fan concepts go this one is my favorite:

[King Dragonlord]

Wouldn't that soft white glow be a professional liability?

[Han Shot First]

King Dragonlord wrote...

Wouldn't that soft white glow be a professional liability?

Depends on the mission.

[Rotward]

I figured something was off when we sent her to infiltrate. I'm like, really, we're trusting a stranger with this? ffs. So killing her wasn't a surprise.

As far as parody, I wouldn't put it past bioware. That dlc made fun of many bioware related subjects, including multiplayer. Why not their characters? 

Modifié par Rotward, 06 décembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[Massa FX]

My thoughts on her were that she wasn't fit for her uniform. She was incompetent from the get go. I'm not sure why Shepard allowed her into her inner circle.

If it'd been up to me I'd have dropped her at an infirmary (she was shot at the beginning) and solved the mystery without her. I'd have sent Traynor through the ducts @ the casino charity event.

Traynor spends too much time in her bunk with her toothbrush.

Modifié par Massa FX, 07 décembre 2013 - 02:19 .

[Han Shot First]

Massa FX wrote...

Traynor spends too much time in her bunk with her toothbrush.