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Regardless, Shepard living or having the chance of living, in the context of what was written, makes little sense in the end. As I said earlier, the scene needs to be completely reframed to make that even possible, and the writers did not want to change the ending to their story like that. 


Nothing whatsoever makes sense in the context of what was written. Living or having the chance of living isn't any more ridiculous than dying in that sequence. Shepard doesn't have to stand in the fire for red. Blue magical electricity could just as easily scan an intact person as disintigrate him, and the same is true of magic green lazer beams.

If you can wrap your mind around destroying all AI in the galaxy by blowing up one power conduit, creating an AI replica of a living person by running a million volts through them, or infecting every living thing and every intelligent computer system with a virus comprised of nucleic acids and nano-circuitry that is created when a man goes into a big green beam of light, it is a pretty light lift to make those thngs non-lethal. It's all profoundly stupid, so saying that it would be nonsensical for Shepard to survive it is kind of pointless.

Frankly I don't know if the writers, generally, wanted to change up the ending or not. Clearly someone felt it was necessary to address the extreme dissatisfaction that consumers (and reviewers who had finished the game) were expressing, but by that point BioWare was in crisis mode and Dr. Ray Muzyka had assumed direct control. He made a decision to plant both metaphorical feet firnly within "artistic integrity" territory, so we got the "Extended Cut" that doubled down on the star kid and colorful space magic.

We'll never really know whether the writers wanted to change the ending. Certainly some of them, like Patrick Weekes, seemed to tacitly acknowledge the failure of the ending, but none of them ever publicly got on board with (for example) the call to use "indoctrination theory" as an excuse for a do-over. What we will be able to do, eventually, is to inform our guesswork with the direction that ME4 takes with the narrative. Kasey Hudson and Mac Walters are both still in positions of creative control over the franchise, even though game development has been moved to Montreal. (Side note: I hope we get at least one female character with a French Canadian accent, it gets my vote for sexiest accent on Earth.) 

It is no hyperbole to state that the ending of Mass Effect 3 broke the game universe and damaged the IP. It will be interesting to see what is done in Mass Effect 4 to fix it. In my opinion, a prequel would "triple down" on the ME3 ending and probably end my interest in the franchise, barring a miracle*. A sequel, on the other hand, would permit careful choices, creativity, and a little bit of handwaving to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. 

It shouldn't be difficult. The Reapers are gone, many corpses were removed by governments and scavengers but some can still be found on remote battlegrounds. Rumors persist of surviving Reapers retreating to uninhabited systems. Shepard hasn't been seen since the the battle. Rumor has it that he was bedly injured but survived, although other rumors say he is controling the surviving reapers as some kind of AI. No one believes that, but it is a popular "urban myth." The Geth suffered heavy casualties but recovered quickly after the end of the war, and protect Rannoch vigorously. Hammer out a canon and move forward.
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* One possible miracle is that Drew Karpyshyn might write more Mass Effect material to reboot the franchise. In a recent interview he suggested that after the third novel in his trilogy goes into print towards the end of 2014, he might take on more Star Wars or Mass Effect writing jobs.

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eyezonlyii wrote...

It's like biting into a cookie expecting chocolate chip and getting raisins instead. 


Uh, those aren't raisins dude. Someone has a rat problem.

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durasteel wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

It's like biting into a cookie expecting chocolate chip and getting raisins instead. 


Uh, those aren't raisins dude. Someone has a rat problem.


Just be glad we didn't get the dark energy nonsense, which would've been extra, extra chunky. 

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True to equal it out destroy would need not to kill the Geth and EDI.


Spare the geth and EDI and I could live with the breath ending.  Wouldln't be happy with it, but I could live with it.


I think that is very possible the strong majority position.

I also think that some Reapers should survive as well, and go into hiding... as long as the Catalyst is well and truly dead forever.

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Just be glad we didn't get the dark energy nonsense, which would've been extra, extra chunky. 


I can see how dark energy could have been made into a steaming pile. I can also see how it could have been made interesting and, dare I say it, cool. It could have gone either way.

Nothing could be worse than what we got. Shepard riding a magical space unicorn and beating the Reapers with hearts, rainbows, and hugs would not have been worse than what we got.

Modifié par durasteel, 10 décembre 2013 - 10:02 .


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durasteel wrote...

Nothing could be worse than what we got. Shepard riding a magical space unicorn and beating the Reapers with hearts, rainbows, and hugs would not have been worse than what we got.


(laughs)

I disagree (it could, indeed, have been worse), but that exaggerated image sure is cute.

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durasteel wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

It's like biting into a cookie expecting chocolate chip and getting raisins instead. 


Uh, those aren't raisins dude. Someone has a rat problem.


:sick:

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Ryzaki wrote...

Well it makes sense Shepard dies in Synthesis. He's pretty much Jesus dying so everyone can ascend or some crap.

Control and Destroy he should be able to live though.


This may be just me (actually it probably is just me) but I always found it weird that Shepard has to die in Synthesis. The point of Shepard jumping into the beam is adding his 'organic energy' to the beam, or whatever. What I found weird is that this doesn't seem to depend on the quantity of Shepard that actually hits the beam. Because of this couldn't Shepard just chop off a limb and throw it in, or maybe even just drip a few drops of blood? That way the beam will still get the uniqueness of Shepard without him jumping in (hell he could probably throw TIMs body in as well, as he is also a Synthetic/Organic thing).

Has anyone else wondered about this?

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Mass Effect is over unless they are willing to address the elephant in the room, which for the most part is the ending and the degradation of the franchise, I am not talking about graphics I am talking about story/choices and going for a shooter model.

Also they need to bring in fresh blood not only the people who do the work but also the heads/leads, I think it is classic big company behavior to take everyone of the job, except the people who were responsible for it all ( for better or worse, I leave that in the middle), like Casey and Mac.

For me they don't need to make a mass effect 4, the magic is gone for me I liked the concept and execution of ME1 so much that I could bear ME2, but when I finished ME3 it was like watching Indy get (blieped) in indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull.
There are so much better games out there.
The Witcher series is something Bioware could learn from and I don't mean technical or marketing wise I am talking about having passion for what you make and putting effort in making the best game you can make, instead of rushing a game because it is end of quarter like it was the case in ME3.

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durasteel wrote...

Nothing could be worse than what we got. Shepard riding a magical space unicorn and beating the Reapers with hearts, rainbows, and hugs would not have been worse than what we got.


At least Paragon Shepard would be happy....

and so would I.

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ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well it makes sense Shepard dies in Synthesis. He's pretty much Jesus dying so everyone can ascend or some crap.

Control and Destroy he should be able to live though.


This may be just me (actually it probably is just me) but I always found it weird that Shepard has to die in Synthesis. The point of Shepard jumping into the beam is adding his 'organic energy' to the beam, or whatever. What I found weird is that this doesn't seem to depend on the quantity of Shepard that actually hits the beam. Because of this couldn't Shepard just chop off a limb and throw it in, or maybe even just drip a few drops of blood? That way the beam will still get the uniqueness of Shepard without him jumping in (hell he could probably throw TIMs body in as well, as he is also a Synthetic/Organic thing).

Has anyone else wondered about this?

Shepard dies in Synthesis to showcase how bad that ending is.

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ImaginaryMatter wrote...


This may be just me (actually it probably is just me) but I always found it weird that Shepard has to die in Synthesis. The point of Shepard jumping into the beam is adding his 'organic energy' to the beam, or whatever. What I found weird is that this doesn't seem to depend on the quantity of Shepard that actually hits the beam. Because of this couldn't Shepard just chop off a limb and throw it in, or maybe even just drip a few drops of blood? That way the beam will still get the uniqueness of Shepard without him jumping in (hell he could probably throw TIMs body in as well, as he is also a Synthetic/Organic thing).

Has anyone else wondered about this?


No point in wondering. It's out-and-out mysticism. That's just how the MEU rolls.

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ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Well it makes sense Shepard dies in Synthesis. He's pretty much Jesus dying so everyone can ascend or some crap.

Control and Destroy he should be able to live though.


This may be just me (actually it probably is just me) but I always found it weird that Shepard has to die in Synthesis. The point of Shepard jumping into the beam is adding his 'organic energy' to the beam, or whatever. What I found weird is that this doesn't seem to depend on the quantity of Shepard that actually hits the beam. Because of this couldn't Shepard just chop off a limb and throw it in, or maybe even just drip a few drops of blood? That way the beam will still get the uniqueness of Shepard without him jumping in (hell he could probably throw TIMs body in as well, as he is also a Synthetic/Organic thing).

Has anyone else wondered about this?


Dunno, but it probably has something to do with the essence-absorbing process introduced at the end of ME2.

In other words:

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Modifié par dreamgazer, 10 décembre 2013 - 10:49 .


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I don't see why Shepard just didn't go down and toss Anderson or TIM into the beam.

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Can't use TIM. He's basically husk deluxe.

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KaiserShep wrote...

Can't use TIM. He's basically husk deluxe.

Um no, TIM still cleary has organic parts along with cyborf parts. There was nothing stopping Shepard from dumping TIms body in the beam. Starbrat never said you could not do it, Shepard was simply a idiot like normal.

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Mr.House wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Can't use TIM. He's basically husk deluxe.

Um no, TIM still cleary has organic parts along with cyborf parts. There was nothing stopping Shepard from dumping TIms body in the beam. Starbrat never said you could not do it, Shepard was simply a idiot like normal.


Well, the fact that TIM was dead and corrupted with Reaper tech/indoctrination may have had something to do with it. 

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Would Shepard even know where to go? "Hey brb gotta get David's corpse." "K."

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dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Can't use TIM. He's basically husk deluxe.

Um no, TIM still cleary has organic parts along with cyborf parts. There was nothing stopping Shepard from dumping TIms body in the beam. Starbrat never said you could not do it, Shepard was simply a idiot like normal.


Well, the fact that TIM was dead and corrupted with Reaper tech/indoctrination may have had something to do with it. 

Starbrat never said dead bodies can't be used.

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Mr.House wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Can't use TIM. He's basically husk deluxe.

Um no, TIM still cleary has organic parts along with cyborf parts. There was nothing stopping Shepard from dumping TIms body in the beam. Starbrat never said you could not do it, Shepard was simply a idiot like normal.


Well, the fact that TIM was dead and corrupted with Reaper tech/indoctrination may have had something to do with it. 

Starbrat never said dead bodies can't be used.


Eh, point still stands: if I were to actually choose that option, I wouldn't be rearranging all forms of life on the framework of a dead, indoctrinated body. 

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AlanC9 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...


This may be just me (actually it probably is just me) but I always found it weird that Shepard has to die in Synthesis. The point of Shepard jumping into the beam is adding his 'organic energy' to the beam, or whatever. What I found weird is that this doesn't seem to depend on the quantity of Shepard that actually hits the beam. Because of this couldn't Shepard just chop off a limb and throw it in, or maybe even just drip a few drops of blood? That way the beam will still get the uniqueness of Shepard without him jumping in (hell he could probably throw TIMs body in as well, as he is also a Synthetic/Organic thing).

Has anyone else wondered about this?


No point in wondering. It's out-and-out mysticism. That's just how the MEU rolls.


That's how it rolls now.

But there was a time when Shepard's red stripe was a nod to Alan Shepard.  Rather than being symbolic of "the blood Shepard must shed".

And Shep's 12 companions in ME2 were Shepard's "Dirty Dozen" rather than apostles

There's no reason Shepard had to die and come back, messiah-like in ME2 at all.  Somewhere along the way, it was decided that bolting on more and more mysticism to an already soft scifi series was "artistic"

The end result was the Crucible spraying Shepard's midichlorians all over the galaxy.

Modifié par iakus, 11 décembre 2013 - 12:48 .


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Aren't midichlorians an example of the opposite trend? Just sayin'.

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Aren't midichlorians an example of the opposite trend? Just sayin'.


It's an example of a needless divergence

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CronoDragoon wrote...

Aren't midichlorians an example of the opposite trend? Just sayin'.


Sweet baby Shepard! I try not to think about that.

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durasteel wrote...

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Just be glad we didn't get the dark energy nonsense, which would've been extra, extra chunky. 


I can see how dark energy could have been made into a steaming pile. I can also see how it could have been made interesting and, dare I say it, cool. It could have gone either way.

Nothing could be worse than what we got. Shepard riding a magical space unicorn and beating the Reapers with hearts, rainbows, and hugs would not have been worse than what we got.


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