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[CosmicGnosis]

StreetMagic wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

StreetMagic, should I assume that you are not a fan of 2001: A Space Odyssey? Or any story that advocates for some kind of "ascension"?

Feck no. That movie sucks big hairy ape balls.

See, I love that movie. I love the idea that humanity, in its current form, is just another stage of our evolution. We were once instinctual animals, and now we are sapient animals. What will our next form be? Will it be a "natural" evolution, or a "guided" evolution?

I find these ideas exciting and intriguing. I don't know why you seem to loathe them so much. I have no hatred for the physical world. Hell, any kind of evolution is part of the physical world.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 05 décembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[Steelcan]

I like how the "Destiny Ascension" can be destroyed..

Probably just reading in too deep, but it seems like that path was meant to be a rejection of following an established path ie joining the Council and ascending the "normal" way.

[CosmicGnosis]

StreetMagic wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

StreetMagic, should I assume that you are not a fan of 2001: A Space Odyssey? Or any story that advocates for some kind of "ascension"?

Feck no. That movie sucks big hairy ape balls.

See, I love that movie. I love the idea that humanity, in its current form, is just another stage of our evolution. We were once instincual animals, and now we are sapient animals. What will our next form be? Will it be a "natural" evolution, or a "guided" evolution?

I find these ideas exciting and intriguing. I don't know why you seem to loathe them so much. I have no hatred for the physical world. Hell, any kind of evolution is part of the physical world.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with "ascension", in principle. In Mass Effect, I like enabling the future of human biotics. I wanted to help the ME1 biotics, I romanced Jack.. loved seeing her helping the Ascension program there.

There's something humble about the whole human biotic element in ME though. It's not bombastic. It's turbulent, troubled, in the baby step stage.

Of course, "ascension" is a loaded term. The following quote from Carl Sagan sounds something like an ascension to me:

"We were hunters and foragers. The frontier was everywhere. We were bounded only by the Earth, and the ocean, and the sky. The open road still softly calls. Our little terraqueous globe as the madhouse of those hundred thousand millions of worlds. We, who cannot even put our own planetary home in order, riven with rivalries and hatreds; are we to venture out into space?

By the time we are ready to settle even the nearest other planetary systems, we will have changed. The simple passage of so many generations will have changed us; necessity will have changed us. We are... an adaptable species. It will not be we who reach Alpha Centauri and the other nearby stars. It will be a species very like us, but with more of our strengths, and fewer of our weaknesses; more confident, farseeing, capable and prudent. 

For all our failings, despite our limitations and fallibilities, we humans are capable of greatness. What new wonders undreamt of in our time will we have wrought in another generation, and another? How far will our nomadic species have wandered by the end of the next century, and the next millennium? 

Our remote descendants, safely arrayed on many worlds through the Solar System and beyond, will be unified, by their common heritage, by their regard for their home planet, and by the knowledge that, whatever other life may be, the only humans in all the universe come from Earth. They will gaze up and strain to find the blue dot in their skies. They will marvel at how vulnerable the repository of all our potential once was, how perilous our infancy, how humble our beginnings, how many rivers we had to cross before we found our way."

- Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 05 décembre 2013 - 06:18 .

[CosmicGnosis]

StreetMagic wrote...

I like Sagan. I've seen Cosmos dozen of times.

But no matter what ideals I may want to espouse, the way I live and view the world is more sensory.. I don't flex my intuitive powers like that, I don't see across oceans of time. I think more about the here and now.. little things we can do to improve ourselves or environment. Or just simply enjoy it. I'm not a visionary, if you will. And I see evolution working much the same way. It doesn't push anywhere specific.

Hm, I'm a very intuitive person, and I do tend to become more obsessed with the larger picture than the here-and-now.

[Argentoid]

StreetMagic wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

StreetMagic, should I assume that you are not a fan of 2001: A Space Odyssey? Or any story that advocates for some kind of "ascension"?

Feck no. That movie sucks big hairy ape balls.

Street... I used to like you. Now you've gained a new enemy.

jk

But seriously, 2001: A Space Oddyssey is a masterpiece.

[Linkenski]

Redundant nod to Argentoid's statement. 2001 is one of the best movies I've ever seen.

[Br3admax]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Drew was the Lead Writer for KotOR and Mass Effect, both of which were amazing games--and not because of their combat mechanics.

Its really easy to make a good Star Wars game when you just plaster all of the good points of the OT everywhere and string it along into a story.

Not gonna lie, I like KotOR. A lot. But at it's base it's just, as you said, a copy&paste of every Star Wars story in the history of mankind. The only difference was the identity of the main character, who even within himself follows the Star Wars formula perfectly.

Character: 

1 Be good.
2. Be evil.
3. Be good again.
4. Save day.

Story: 

1. Make friends.
2. Get Millenium Falcon-esque ship.
3. TWIST, lose friends.
4. Find friends, but they is evil. 
5. Power of Love.
6. Win, big party with medals. 

[KaiserShep]

Makes you wonder how Lucas himself could screw up so badly.

[Br3admax]

Don't die Padme! I'll choke you so you won't die!

You kissed me and I is sad. Why you do this?

A: The Jedi are good.
P: No they aren't.
A: Okay.

"Noooooooooooooooo"-the absolute best Vader lines.

[crimzontearz]

Because it's horrible.

oh yes because the reapers being Starbrat's oversized Tonka trucks and the whole circular logic is WRITING GOLD uh?

Wait, it's Vore he probably thinks it is

[dreamgazer]

Morocco Mole wrote...

oh yes because the reapers being Starbrat's oversized Tonka trucks and the whole circular logic is WRITING GOLD uh?

Wait, it's Vore he probably thinks it is

There's a lot of circular logic in this ending too, you do realize that don't you?

And a bleak sacrificial ending, too, on top of making the Reapers look even more like "good guys". 

[KaiserShep]

crimzontearz wrote...

Because it's horrible.

oh yes because the reapers being Starbrat's oversized Tonka trucks and the whole circular logic is WRITING GOLD uh?

Wait, it's Vore he probably thinks it is

Thing is, it's much easier to excuse the circular logic as just being a horrible flaw of the catalyst itself and its imposing of "order" in the galaxy, whereas in the dark energy plot, there's no getting around it at all. The existence of the mass relays themselves totally undermine the point of the dark energy resolution. Like, how does biotic power measure up compared to the influence of the mass relays, which have been in place for millions of years and have been active most of that time? 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 05 décembre 2013 - 03:29 .

[dreamgazer]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Basically, if you hate the current ME3 endings. You wouldn't like these endings. For probably the same exact reasons.

You just think you like them better because they never happened.

That mentality creates what Drew K. himself called "vapourware".

He also considered the ideas of making Shepard either an unknowing alien (abandoned because BioWare had done something like it before) or a literal robot with Shepard's essence jammed inside it.

"There was some ideas that maybe Shepard gets his essence transferred into some kind of machine, becoming a cyborg and becoming a bridge between synthetics and organics - which is a theme that does play up in the game," Karpyshyn concluded. "At one point we thought, maybe that's how he survives into Mass Effect 2."

[crimzontearz]

And a bleak sacrificial ending, too, on top of making the Reapers look even more like "good guys

not really, you could blow the reapers up and trust humanity/the galaxy to solve the problem eventually which would also have opened up the doors to a decent sequel

Of course you cannot properly compare the 2 as one is a finished product and the other is not

All in all, if Drew gave me ( as he said in an interview he believes such productions should end) an ending in a high note I would have excused some execution flaws

[Argentoid]

crimzontearz wrote...

Because it's horrible.

oh yes because the reapers being Starbrat's oversized Tonka trucks and the whole circular logic is WRITING GOLD uh?

Oh yes because Drew Karpyshyn is WRITING GOLD huh?