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[KaiserShep]

You can't BE writing gold, man.

[crimzontearz]

Which is the same answer you can give to the current endings like Destroy

With the difference that I doubt Drew would have tried so hard to kill Shepard and troll us at comicon after

[Argentoid]

KaiserShep wrote...

You can't BE writing gold, man.

You just gotta believe...

[crimzontearz]

Ah, finally. You admit you only like this ending because Shepard's fate isn't ambigious. Thank you.

Finally? I think I said it a zillion times...tho it is not the only reason

[FlyingSquirrel]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Technological singularity and its risks aren't really the essence of the threat, IMO. The creation of the Catalyst and its decision to initiate the cycles was the result of the Leviathans' selfishness and arrogance. It was one more case of someone deciding to exploit other sapient beings and having the consequences spin out of control, which we've seen plenty of in Mass Effect - ExoGeni and the thorian, Project Overlord, the krogan uplift and genophage, Jack and the other children at Pragia, rachni experiments on Noveria, TIM's schemes, and some others I'm probably not thinking of at the moment.

I don't generally like villains that are "beyond our comprehension" or that "only understand force and must be destroyed," yet at the same time bear some resemblance to real people in their thought processes and communications. If they were going that route, they'd have needed to make the Reapers completely uncommunicative and behaving as more of an elemental force than a collection of living beings, and that ship sailed the moment Sovereign opened its mouth.

Which ending do you think exploits sapient beings the least?

That's a fair question, and I am not sure of the answer. The easy answer is my own interpretation of Synthesis, which is that (a) the "upgrades" are all inactive at first and will remain inactive unless people decide to use them; ( Shepard knew this would happen on account of the Catalyst's comment that it "cannot be forced," and © the primary changes are some medical benefits and the ability to retain and process more information than was previously possible, without as radical of a change as what EDI suggests. But that's a large dose of headcanon, obviously. 

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Basically, if you hate the current ME3 endings. You wouldn't like these endings. For probably the same exact reasons.

You just think you like them better because they never happened.

That mentality creates what Drew K. himself called "vapourware".

He also considered the ideas of making Shepard either an unknowing alien (abandoned because BioWare had done something like it before) or a literal robot with Shepard's essence jammed inside it.

"There was some ideas that maybe Shepard gets his essence transferred into some kind of machine, becoming a cyborg and becoming a bridge between synthetics and organics - which is a theme that does play up in the game," Karpyshyn concluded. "At one point we thought, maybe that's how he survives into Mass Effect 2."

I for one am really glad they decided not to go that route.  It was bad enough ME2 turned Shepard from "the best humanity had to offer" to a relentless undead cyborg.

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I know you've said it a million times. Just waiting for you to admit it in this thread.

You don't care about the endings, or how well-written they are, you only just want to see your power fantasy mary sue alive.

I hate to butt in here, but I wouldn't mind Shep living (clearly) either. But never in the power fantasy sense. I'd welcome a move away from Shepard's story, but my preference is that he actually gets to live an uneventful life for a change. His life sucks. Since birth, basically. Since Akuze. Since Eden Prime. At best, I'd like to see him become the new Anderson, and live out Anderson's last wish.. "It's been years since I got to just sit down..."

Pretty much.  Shepard's life has, frankly sucked.  After saving the galaxy multiple times, he/she deserved the opportunity to retire in peace.  Not spend all eternity in rubble

[crimzontearz]

I know you've said it a million times. Just waiting for you to admit it in this thread.

You don't care about the endings, or how well-written they are, you only just want to see your power fantasy mary sue alive.

I do not engage in narrative to be reminded of the bleakness of life (I tune in on the news for that) or to to be lectured on high level ending concepts to speculate on the interpretation of the last 10 minutes if a series that was never about that. I do, however, to enjoy some pleasant escapism as I already have enough bull**** going on in my life. So yes I DO want my power fantasy Marty Stu (that is the name of a male Mary Sue) to live at the end


And maybe a threesome....but that is not necessary

[crimzontearz]

Pretty much. Shepard's life has, frankly sucked. After saving the galaxy multiple times, he/she deserved the opportunity to retire in peace. Not spend all eternity in rubble

agreed

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

And a bleak sacrificial ending, too, on top of making the Reapers look even more like "good guys

not really, you could blow the reapers up and trust humanity/the galaxy to solve the problem eventually which would also have opened up the doors to a decent sequel

Probably right. It would have been another one of those fake Bio dilemmas; nobody would have picked the sacrifice ending, and they'd be right because Bio would never let them all be wrong.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

And a bleak sacrificial ending, too, on top of making the Reapers look even more like "good guys

not really, you could blow the reapers up and trust humanity/the galaxy to solve the problem eventually which would also have opened up the doors to a decent sequel

Probably right. It would have been another one of those fake Bio dilemmas; nobody would have picked the sacrifice ending, and they'd be right because Bio would never let them all be wrong.

There are people who favor the US ending in DAO, you know.

And not everyone favors the Dark Ritual, or thinks that's the best outcome.


In addition, there are other reasons than Shepard's death to hate the endings  Though yes, if there were conditions that allowed Shepard to clearly live in all High EMS endings, Destroy probably wouldn't be as heavily favored.  But that's just my own guess.

[Iakus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

What is bleak about the endings again?

Pretty sure toll.  but just in case you're serious:

Virtually unavoidable death for Shepard

Choice between

Synthetic holocaust
Reaper police state
Genetic violation of the galaxy
Trolling by Bioware

So yeah.  Bleak.

[Mr.House]

iakus wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

What is bleak about the endings again?

Pretty sure toll.  but just in case you're serious:

Virtually unavoidable death for Shepard

Choice between

Synthetic holocaust
Reaper police state
Genetic violation of the galaxy
Trolling by Bioware

So yeah.  Bleak.

Better then sacerfice all humans or don't and hope to god you can find a away to stop dark energy from killing you which you probaly won't.

Least with the current endings you can still kill the Reapers with only EDi and possbily the geth dying.

ME was going to end bleak, the issue is how it was done. Plenty of stories which made it clear where not going to end happy(one of them in my avie) pulled it off great, I wish people would stop saying the issues with ME3s ending was it being bleak.

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 décembre 2013 - 04:50 .

[crimzontearz]

What is bleak about the endings again?

Pre EC? everything
Post EC? Synthesis and Control get closure and a somewhat uplifting ending, Destroy gets your hero stuck in the rubble of poor delivery and Bioware saying "he might be alive..or not TROLOLOLOL"....Which is more infuriating than bleak

[crimzontearz]

Probably right. It would have been another one of those fake Bio dilemmas; nobody would have picked the sacrifice ending, and they'd be right because Bio would never let them all be wrong.

I remember a few posters saying they would have

Again as Iakus said, there is a fair amount of people that pick the ultimate sacrifice ending.

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I know you've said it a million times. Just waiting for you to admit it in this thread.

You don't care about the endings, or how well-written they are, you only just want to see your power fantasy mary sue alive.

I hate to butt in here, but I wouldn't mind Shep living (clearly) either. But never in the power fantasy sense. I'd welcome a move away from Shepard's story, but my preference is that he actually gets to live an uneventful life for a change. His life sucks. Since birth, basically. Since Akuze. Since Eden Prime. At best, I'd like to see him become the new Anderson, and live out Anderson's last wish.. "It's been years since I got to just sit down..."

Pretty much, though I wouldn't even need to see the actual uneventful life come to fruition in the story. Just having a proper extraction from the rubble would be sufficient to give you some kind of positive imagery other than gasping for breath.

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

Pretty much. Shepard's life has, frankly sucked. After saving the galaxy multiple times, he/she deserved the opportunity to retire in peace. Not spend all eternity in rubble

agreed

What kind of "eternity" are we talking about here? If you want to assume that Shepard dies there there's mo point trying to reason you out of it, but that wouldn't be eternity. He'd die fairly quickly if he was too badly injured to move.

[Sion1138]

I appreciate 2001: The Space Odyssey.

I also appreciate Star Wars.

I do not appreciate Star Wars: The Space Odyssey.

Modifié par Sion1138, 05 décembre 2013 - 04:57 .

[Farangbaa]

crimzontearz wrote...

What is bleak about the endings again?

Pre EC? everything
Post EC? Synthesis and Control get closure and a somewhat uplifting ending, Destroy gets your hero stuck in the rubble of poor delivery and Bioware saying "he might be alive..or not TROLOLOLOL"....Which is more infuriating than bleak

Why?

I am perfectly fine with Shepard being Schrodinger's Cat.