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[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:37 .

[Silfren]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
i played that now there is nowhere stated that he is mage not even suggested so...

if you mean barrier he said that he had his father key so he could activate it.

You're just being deliberately obtuse now.  Matthias is a mage. 

ok now im sure that you are trolling using things that were never stated in game.

I am not the one trolling.  I double checked and I can see what you mean; it isn't actually confirmed that Matthias is a mage.  I think it's quite likely that he is, though. 

Moving along, again you're using bullsh*t examples to try to argue your case.  Whether Morrigan is a b*tch or not is a matter of opinion.  The game doesn't make any judgment calls about her character in a codex or anything else.  it's NOT a valid argument against the fact that the lore DOES say that abominations are rare. 

Once again: argue that the game does a poor job of making its gameplay consistent with the lore.  But DON'T try to pretend that the lore is somehow invalid or nonexistent.  

[Vulpe]

I wonder if people are aware how chickens react when they are beheaded ? I think that a visit to a chicken meat products "factory" in Thedas would be enough to traumatise many, many children.

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:41 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

1.No only willhelm was mage i never renember mentioning that his son was a mage neither his daughter so whether he was it is never mentioned.

Again, you are simply wrong.  Re-play the Honnleath quest.  Matthias is the son of Wilhelm, and he is DEFINITELY a mage.  What's in question is whether Matthias daughter is a mage, as that is not confirmed.


i played that now there is nowhere stated that he is mage not even suggested so...

if you mean barrier he said that he had his father key so he could activate it.

No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

He states that he was able to control the barrier due to having a key for it, which we see him using to make it incorporeal. Though from the gesture he used this key looks more like a spell than a magic artifact.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:49 .

[MisterJB]

Inprea wrote...
The circle system doesn't isolate mages it puts them under the mundanes thumb unless templars and the chantry are no longer considered mundanes.

 The Circles are not entirely independent but they are self mentained and governed which I recall it was sort of a deal breaker for you. The Templars are there only to ensure isolation is mantained.

Freedom for the mages does not by its nature put none mages in danger anymore then the circle system does. After all a mage on the run and desperate is more dangerous then a mage that feels safe.

It most certainly means that. Freedom is not an equivalent of a care free, happy life. Freedom means freedom to be exploited, to starve, to be sick, to be cold. There are an infinite number of sources of suffering that are entirely unrelated to Templars. Freeing the mages will not free them from suffering, it simply means suffering will come from different sources. Which would be fine by me if that didn't mean they would also cause normal people to suffer along with them.

If you truly wanted to isolate mages then the mages would be allowed to leave Andrastian nations and take up residence in an area where no other humans live or there is very little human settlement. We are talking about a setting of vast stretches of harsh wilderness after all. With the right magic the mages may even be able to take land that no one else would want and transform it into something worth having.

As nations expand, conflict is inevitable.

When people talk about how mages can't be trusted to govern themselves I can't help but think of the Mages Collective from dragon age origins. Our information on them is limited but they don't seem to be harming anyone. The biggest outbreak of abominations was actually at the circle. Plus given that the collective pays you to kill some ill behaved mages they seem to be doing a better job of enforcing good behavior then the templars. The collective had one of its members, that we know of, go abomination during origins and his mentor died trying to kill it. How many blood mages and abominations were there at the tower?

I have a HUGE bone to pick with the collective.
First of all, they blantantly lie in their requests. For instance, there was some mage who claimed that a group was going to present false testimony of him to the Chantry because they couldn't distinguish between normal magic and blood magic. Except that group had a mage amongst them. You're telling me that
 mage mistook normal magic for blood magic?
And then there are those asking for scrolls on how to summon demons...for completely theoretical purposes. Honestly, cross my heart and hope to die. And there is that other quest to help people who were falsely accused of being blood mages... by warning them with blood!
Yeah, not suspicious at all.

And then, their method to police themselves appears to be posting a resquest in the Collective's bag.
For instance, one of the Collective mages noticed some maleficar near where he lived and posted a request. But what if no one feels like doing that request? Will the maleficars be ignored?
That could very well be the worst policing system in the history of systems in general.

The collective had one of its members, that we know of, go abomination during origins and his mentor died trying to kill it.

Exactly, he died, he failed. Hadn't the Warden happened to be passing by, innocent people would have been killed by the Abomination. If those mages were in the Circle, that wouldn't have happened.
If anything, the Collective proves mages can't be trusted to handle themselves. Especially since the best policing system they could come up with was putting a paper in a bag and hope someone picks it up!

How do you know Tavinter hasn't developed anything in the past 2000 years? We haven't been there after all. I tend to believe that Tavinter is well a bit too much like the sith empire. Every mage is so obsessed with their own power that they rarely if ever share their knowledge as the social system promotes constant struggle.

It is a pretty huge deal so, some word of it would have come out regardless of how secretive they are. For instance, there was that Magister who could graft spirits onto flesh and was kicked out of society because of it.

I can think of a few times when it mentions the Chantry suppress mystic research. When speaking with Morgan she makes note that they are certain forms of ancient magic that is outlawed in the circle system or something to that affect. The templars don't want a mage burning into a bird and flying off after all. So the chantry is not just suppressing but it's actively destroying knowledge that they can't handle.

There is also the notion that older apostate mages tend to be far more powerful then their circle counter parts. This at least indicates that the circle system hinders a mages development.

The codexs on demons and the such clearly indicate experiments conducted by Circle mages as well as Templars. Then, there are quest like that one Chanter board reques to collect flesh from the Undead so it can be studied.
While certain areas of magic may be closed off for mages; and for good reasons, after all, it would be hard to keep mages who can turn into small spiders in the Circles; that doesn't there aren't avenues of research opened.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
i played that now there is nowhere stated that he is mage not even suggested so...

if you mean barrier he said that he had his father key so he could activate it.

You're just being deliberately obtuse now.  Matthias is a mage. 

ok now im sure that you are trolling using things that were never stated in game.

I am not the one trolling.  I double checked and I can see what you mean; it isn't actually confirmed that Matthias is a mage.  I think it's quite likely that he is, though. 

Moving along, again you're using bullsh*t examples to try to argue your case.  Whether Morrigan is a b*tch or not is a matter of opinion.  The game doesn't make any judgment calls about her character in a codex or anything else.  it's NOT a valid argument against the fact that the lore DOES say that abominations are rare. 

Once again: argue that the game does a poor job of making its gameplay consistent with the lore.  But DON'T try to pretend that the lore is somehow invalid or nonexistent.  

See game never even suggested that he is a mage well he may be because it was never mentioned that he isn't so devs can do that then i can accept that but we as well can speculate that leliana or any other character is mage. 

And no morrigan is **** why because she is act*** like one if you act like nice guy you are nice guy unless you are playing role as someone else she pass entire game acting as bi*** so it is no personal opinion only facts almost every character in game hated that for that.

And once again i think that you don't know what gameplay is what i pointed was story and story and gameplay aren't that same so nope.You rly should know difference and we may continue conversation on reasonable level only if you will know what you are talking about. 

Sorry dude i don't want insult you but conversation don't have sense if you can't notice difference between story and gameplay.

[PMC65]

Silfren wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

*comes sliding into thread with a plate and fork*

Did someone mention southern fried food?

Why, yes.  Step just this way, please.  We've a full DIY buffet of fried foods.  Over here, we have your basic cheese appetizers: deep-fried mozzarella, deep-fried curds, deep-fried jalapenos stuffed with cheddar.  On the next table there's deep-fried pork skins and deep-fried cocktail weiners, deep-fried tomatoes, deep-fried onions, deep-fried potatoes, and deep-fried mushrooms.  For the entree selections we have deep-fried scallops, deep fried frog legs, deep-fried bologna, deep-fried catfish, deep-fried chicken, deep-fried meatballs.  For dessert, tonight we have deep-fried candy bars, deep-fried Twinkies, and deep-fried pancakes, along with the always classic deep-fried ice cream. 

Also available is our selection of deep-fried condiments, including deep-fried butter.  For beverages, we have all the mass-market sodas available in deep-fried versions.  Deep-fried beer and wine are available upon request.

*looks at all the fried wonders and passes out*

[MisterJB]

I remember Shale telling us Whillelm used her to intimidate the villagers.
Dude was a d*ck.

JulianWellpit wrote...

I wonder if people are aware how chickens react when they are beheaded ? I think that a visit to a chicken meat products "factory" in Thedas would be enough to traumatise many, many children.

"Running around like an headless chicken" is pretty self explanatory.

[Hellion Rex]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
i played that now there is nowhere stated that he is mage not even suggested so...

if you mean barrier he said that he had his father key so he could activate it.

You're just being deliberately obtuse now.  Matthias is a mage. 

ok now im sure that you are trolling using things that were never stated in game.

I am not the one trolling.  I double checked and I can see what you mean; it isn't actually confirmed that Matthias is a mage.  I think it's quite likely that he is, though. 

Moving along, again you're using bullsh*t examples to try to argue your case.  Whether Morrigan is a b*tch or not is a matter of opinion.  The game doesn't make any judgment calls about her character in a codex or anything else.  it's NOT a valid argument against the fact that the lore DOES say that abominations are rare. 

Once again: argue that the game does a poor job of making its gameplay consistent with the lore.  But DON'T try to pretend that the lore is somehow invalid or nonexistent.  

See game never even suggested that he is a mage well he may be because it was never mentioned that he isn't so devs can do that then i can accept that but we as well can speculate that leliana or any other character is mage. 

And no morrigan is **** why because she is act*** like one if you act like nice guy you are nice guy unless you are playing role as someone else she pass entire game acting as bi*** so it is no personal opinion only facts almost every character in game hated that for that.

And once again i think that you don't know what gameplay is what i pointed was story and story and gameplay aren't that same so nope.You rly should know difference and we may continue conversation on reasonable level only if you will know what you are talking about. 

Sorry dude i don't want insult you but conversation don't have sense if you can't notice difference between story and gameplay.

Silfren is currently attempting to replay it now. We will have our answer soon.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

MisterJB wrote...

I remember Shale telling us Whillelm used her to intimidate the villagers.
Dude was a d*ck.

It might have just been a show to entertain the kids. We don't really get a lot of context, iirc. We just get the exact words of the command.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Wrong...Look at 7:50  http://www.youtube.c...R1V5N2ugo#t=471

Also, the vid shows him using magic.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:54 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Wonder what fried nug tastes like...for that matter, what kind of flavors do dwarves like? Seeing as they're underground and probably don't have a lot in the way of seasonings for their food.

As for the circle, I think a center of learning that requires mages to attend is a vital part of keeping abomination numbers low. They're rare by lore most likely due to measures such as the harrowing, and being in close proximity to other powerful mages who might prevent such acts from occuring, same with having templars present. All these things cut down the amount of abominations that could arise. So it's easy to see how the number got that low in the first place. The only problem is we don't have numbers of pre-circle statistics for how many abominations there might have been at that time, pretty much the one sole thing that casts any doubt on the effectiveness of the circle system.

Reforms could happen sure, but there's no reason to burn down a house just because of some leaky pipes and creaky floors.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:56 .

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wonder what fried nug tastes like...for that matter, what kind of flavors do dwarves like seeing as they're underground and probably don't have a lot in the way of seasonings for their food.

These are people who use dirt and mushrooms as a drink.

[Vulpe]

MisterJB wrote...

JulianWellpit wrote...

I wonder if people are aware how chickens react when they are beheaded ? I think that a visit to a chicken meat products "factory" in Thedas would be enough to traumatise many, many children.

"Running around like an headless chicken" is pretty self explanatory.

Didn't know that expression. I thought that will all this industrialisation, many people just buy their chickens from stores and that's the whole story. Some of them might not even see a chicken in real life their entire lives.

Also, let's not forget the spasming and the blood jets and the jumping and frenetical wing movements.
Of course, all this can be avoided by giving it something to drink until it passes out, then do the "operation".

Nature is beautiful .

Modifié par JulianWellpit, 04 décembre 2013 - 09:58 .

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
i played that now there is nowhere stated that he is mage not even suggested so...

if you mean barrier he said that he had his father key so he could activate it.

You're just being deliberately obtuse now.  Matthias is a mage. 

ok now im sure that you are trolling using things that were never stated in game.

I am not the one trolling.  I double checked and I can see what you mean; it isn't actually confirmed that Matthias is a mage.  I think it's quite likely that he is, though. 

Moving along, again you're using bullsh*t examples to try to argue your case.  Whether Morrigan is a b*tch or not is a matter of opinion.  The game doesn't make any judgment calls about her character in a codex or anything else.  it's NOT a valid argument against the fact that the lore DOES say that abominations are rare. 

Once again: argue that the game does a poor job of making its gameplay consistent with the lore.  But DON'T try to pretend that the lore is somehow invalid or nonexistent.  

See game never even suggested that he is a mage well he may be because it was never mentioned that he isn't so devs can do that then i can accept that but we as well can speculate that leliana or any other character is mage. 

And no morrigan is **** why because she is act*** like one if you act like nice guy you are nice guy unless you are playing role as someone else she pass entire game acting as bi*** so it is no personal opinion only facts almost every character in game hated that for that.

And once again i think that you don't know what gameplay is what i pointed was story and story and gameplay aren't that same so nope.You rly should know difference and we may continue conversation on reasonable level only if you will know what you are talking about. 

Sorry dude i don't want insult you but conversation don't have sense if you can't notice difference between story and gameplay.

Silfren is currently attempting to replay it now. We will have our answer soon.

They don't need to ...This "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5R1V5N2ugo#t=471" AT 7:50 PROVES HE'S WRONG.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Wrong...Look at 7:50  http://www.youtube.c...R1V5N2ugo#t=471

Also, the vid shows him using magic.

Indeed. The video has his hands glowing as he lets the Warden through a barrier.

[Cainhurst Crow]

leaguer of one wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wonder what fried nug tastes like...for that matter, what kind of flavors do dwarves like seeing as they're underground and probably don't have a lot in the way of seasonings for their food.

These are people who use dirt and mushrooms as a drink.

I could see that working.

[Hellion Rex]

[quote]leaguer of one wrote...

[/quote]They don't need to ...This "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5R1V5N2ugo#t=471" AT 7:50 PROVES HE'S WRONG.[/quote]

I am aware. Just watched the same video.

[MisterJB]

His son was a ****** poor mage. Not only couldn't he kill a few measly Darkspawn, he couldn't even brave a few Shades for the sake of his daugther.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Wrong...Look at 7:50  http://www.youtube.c...R1V5N2ugo#t=471

Also, the vid shows him using magic.

Hee i don't think that you know what you are talking about 7:34

And i don't see using him magic only animation in which stretches out his hand and again he had key.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 04 décembre 2013 - 10:04 .

[The Elder King]

I don't recall the dialogue about the barrier, but I definitely recall the scene were Matthias lifted the barrier. While he never said he wasn't a mage, it is heavily hinted b how he lifted it.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

His son was a ****** poor mage. Not only couldn't he kill a few measly Darkspawn, he couldn't even brave a few Shades for the sake of his daugther.

How many circle mages can do that? He could just be a research mage for all you know.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Wrong...Look at 7:50  http://www.youtube.c...R1V5N2ugo#t=471

Also, the vid shows him using magic.

Hee i don't think that you know what you are talking about 7:34

And I think you missed my comment that the word "key" seems in this context to refer to a spell rather than an item. (Do you just ignore inconvenient arguments? Is that your thing?)

[XX-Pyro]

How do you know Tavinter hasn't developed anything in the past 2000 years? We haven't been there after all. I tend to believe that Tavinter is well a bit too much like the sith empire. Every mage is so obsessed with their own power that they rarely if ever share their knowledge as the social system promotes constant struggle.

Sounds like capitalism.

Modifié par XX-Pyro, 04 décembre 2013 - 10:04 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...



No he did not.  He was taking about Shale.

His dialogue "i knew about barrier i had key for that..."

Wrong...Look at 7:50  http://www.youtube.c...R1V5N2ugo#t=471

Also, the vid shows him using magic.

Hee i don't think that you know what you are talking about 7:34

Explain the stuff going on with his hands in 5:55. Added, there are barriers that need mages magic to work even with a key. EXAMLE: The lower rooms of the circle tower.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 04 décembre 2013 - 10:07 .